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Post by LGH87 on Oct 8, 2022 21:24:31 GMT
I can’t stand AN. He’s full of himself and speaks in platitudes as if he invented them. Reminds me of Jones in his arrogance and belief that the players just need to try harder, while steadfastly sticking to a system that does not suit the players, and yields pathetically bad performances. We are 20th, and lucky to be there. We are about to play the best team in the league, and could fall into the bottom three if two teams below us win their games in hand. In the last 3 games we have somehow shown less attacking intent and strategy as we did under MON, with the same leaky and unreliable defence. He is steering us toward relegation, but will blame the mentality of the players as we continue to drop points instead of adjusting his tactics because he is so sure he is brilliant, and it couldn’t possibly be he has not adequately done his job. This aged well.
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Post by waddosnavy on Oct 9, 2022 8:44:49 GMT
In MASTERCHEF parlance, O'Neil purchased the right ingredients to make the perfect dish, but unfortunately, could not get the mix right. Neil has revamped the the same ingredients to make a tasty digestible. dish
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Post by stokemark on Oct 9, 2022 9:39:34 GMT
Gawa won't be posting much this evening. Thought the same - he’s full of shit
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 9, 2022 10:16:16 GMT
In MASTERCHEF parlance, O'Neil purchased the right ingredients to make the perfect dish, but unfortunately, could not get the mix right. Neil has revamped the the same ingredients to make a tasty digestible. dish I'm pretty sure we need to add a few to give the possibility of perfection. I'm interested in seeing what Neil does in January.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 9, 2022 20:33:02 GMT
In MASTERCHEF parlance, O'Neil purchased the right ingredients to make the perfect dish, but unfortunately, could not get the mix right. Neil has revamped the the same ingredients to make a tasty digestible. dish I'm pretty sure we need to add a few to give the possibility of perfection. I'm interested in seeing what Neil does in January. O'Neill got shit for his signings but I think he fixed several of our glaring weaknesses. We can finally play a balanced midfield three and our forward options are genuinely good IMO.
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Post by dirtclod on Oct 9, 2022 20:36:37 GMT
Night and Day.
Yes.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 10, 2022 0:04:19 GMT
I'm pretty sure we need to add a few to give the possibility of perfection. I'm interested in seeing what Neil does in January. O'Neill got shit for his signings but I think he fixed several of our glaring weaknesses. We can finally play a balanced midfield three and our forward options are genuinely good IMO. Absolutely but I still think we need to sharpen our defence options in particular if we're to achieve perfection.. which is of course fairly obvious but it was used in the analogy that I was replying to. My tongue was placed in my cheek whilst replying, if that helps
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Post by xchpotter on Oct 10, 2022 9:52:01 GMT
Interesting comments from AN about the players reacting to the opposition formation and knowing what to do, how to counter it. I assume MON must have had the same knowledge and schooling in the game, so did he cover it with the players, could they not get their heads around it or did they ignore him? I guess we will never know, but I’m a firm believer that so much work can be done on the training pitches before allowing the players personal responsibility to adapt and implement the work during a game. Either way, it gives me more confidence that AN does know what he’s doing and I think we have a bright future at last……if we keep it up as I’m mindful of our numerous false dawns 😂 www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-alex-neil-sheffield-united-7681607
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 10, 2022 10:23:34 GMT
Building on the theme of the above posts, AN has come in and looked at the squad inherited and made just one addition. He has identified where things were going wrong and addressed them and after some initial failings has started to make a difference.
He has in fact done exactly what MON did when he arrived and took over Jones squad and got "a better tune" out of essentially the same squad. Things went well for MON until he had to start restructuring the squad in his first transfer window.
Hughes did a similar thing with Pulis's squad. Identify the weaknesses (lack of decent FBs), changed the system (allowed N'Zonzi to go forward) and, for the first couple of years, brought in some creative talent. But as with MON , Hughes could not sustain the improvement and as soon the Pulis players grew older and the defending deteriorated Hughes results deteriorated.
The acid test is, having got improved performance out of the squad (hopefully results will follow) can AN sustain it by bringing in the right players which is where Rowett, Jones, MON, and ultimately Hughes all failed? Rowett spent big on players who all failed to cut it in the end, and Jones just brought in loads of dross, with the odd exception. MON was far better at developing in house talent than bringing in the right players, almost all of whom he himself gave up on! This suggests a common defect; does the club have the right resources in terms of scouts, contacts, etc. to support the manager? Hughes clearly had good Spanish contacts, but that well ran dry and in the end some of the despicable "characters" the club allowed to cross the threshold were beneath contempt and should not ne allowed into any dressing room. They destroyed the club and it has taken years to get rid of them. (The same thing happened at QPR.)
AN , although still young, has been around a lot , far more than the last three managers, and should have a lot of contacts to identify suitable players to bring in, although unlike Hughes limited to British clubs. The question remains about Stoke's scouting set-up. The first thing Ferguson did a ManU was to set a top class scouting team which ensured a steady flow of future talent. When judging players, it is not just a question of technical ability and whether they "fit" the existing squad, but also their character, which proved to be Hughes downfall. Pulis was good at spotting a "wrong'un" even among the stray dogs he brought in. I think AN will be similar, but he needs good support to identify the potential acquisitions. I think he will be very different to MON, but success will also depend on the quality of support he receives.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Oct 10, 2022 10:30:26 GMT
The fitness levels were clearly not good enough under O'Neil and I do wonder if coming from an International post its a part of the game that he didn't previously need to focus on so neglected?
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Post by mamasgloves on Oct 10, 2022 10:39:17 GMT
In MASTERCHEF parlance, O'Neil purchased the right ingredients to make the perfect dish, but unfortunately, could not get the mix right. Neil has revamped the the same ingredients to make a tasty digestible. dish Tosh. He tried to make spaghetti Bolognese (352) yet refused to buy any tomatoes (wing backs) and the mince he bought was on the turn. Someone else has come in and in true ready steady cook fashion, managed to make a meal of the haphazard bag of shite he's been given. This eulogising of a manager who left us with an unfit squad bereft of any bespoke, proven wide men is laughable. Thank god he's gone so we can finally move onwards and upwards
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 10, 2022 10:44:21 GMT
I'm pretty sure we need to add a few to give the possibility of perfection. I'm interested in seeing what Neil does in January. O'Neill got shit for his signings but I think he fixed several of our glaring weaknesses. We can finally play a balanced midfield three and our forward options are genuinely good IMO. There might be something in this but it took him ridiculously long to suss out what the weaknesses were and leaving us unmanned at wing back, persisting with a slow back three and entrusting so many key positions to young loan players all compounded things for us early in the season.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 10, 2022 10:58:00 GMT
O'Neill got shit for his signings but I think he fixed several of our glaring weaknesses. We can finally play a balanced midfield three and our forward options are genuinely good IMO. There might be something in this but it took him ridiculously long to suss out what the weaknesses were and leaving us unmanned at wing back, persisting with a slow back three and entrusting so many key positions to young loan players all compounded things for us early in the season. He made some right weird choices with the back 5 for 5-3-2 I agree. At least he had some decent pluses as well as minuses. He brought a bunch of the youth through nicely as well for example.
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 10, 2022 11:14:27 GMT
Still way too early to say.
But overall early signs are promising.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 10, 2022 11:18:52 GMT
In MASTERCHEF parlance, O'Neil purchased the right ingredients to make the perfect dish, but unfortunately, could not get the mix right. Neil has revamped the the same ingredients to make a tasty digestible. dish Tosh. He tried to make spaghetti Bolognese (352) yet refused to buy any tomatoes (wing backs) and the mince he bought was on the turn. Someone else has come in and in true ready steady cook fashion, managed to make a meal of the haphazard bag of shite he's been given.
This eulogising of a manager who left us with an unfit squad bereft of any bespoke, proven wide men is laughable. Thank god he's gone so we can finally move onwards and upwards Which is what MON did when he took over from Jones if you want to compare apples with apples (or bolognese with bolognese)........
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