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Post by longdistancekiddie on Oct 4, 2022 1:54:59 GMT
He is worse
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Post by Gods on Oct 4, 2022 6:35:46 GMT
Not seen anything from this new manager to make me think he’s any better than O’Neil… All we’ve managed to do is lose more possession and run around a bit more. At least we controlled the game more under O’Neil. We need to sod off this 5 at the back and he needs to bench Delap or this Neil will end up the same way as O’Neil. Firm but fair. Not sure there is much anyone can do, the team lacks strength and athleticism and half the players are made out of balsa wood.
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Post by werrington on Oct 4, 2022 6:43:19 GMT
There’s some rewriting of history on here
Those weeping for O’Neill clearly weren’t at Millwall and Huddersfield away or Sunderland at home this season WITH HIS SQUAD and two years of virtually no efforts at goal week after week
He’s left a miss shaped utter shambles that Neil is trying to sort out
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Post by xchpotter on Oct 4, 2022 7:07:00 GMT
AN could well turn out to be as bad as MON, but crikey…he’s only been here a few weeks! Much more sensible to judge him in twelve months time at least. After all, the board were beyond patient with MON and AN deserves time, otherwise we become an even bigger mess and joke than we are.
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Post by Han Solo on Oct 4, 2022 7:07:44 GMT
Not seen anything from this new manager to make me think he’s any better than O’Neil… All we’ve managed to do is lose more possession and run around a bit more. At least we controlled the game more under O’Neil. We need to sod off this 5 at the back and he needs to bench Delap or this Neil will end up the same way as O’Neil. He can only be judged after 1 or 2 windows. I like him and think he talks a lot of sense unlike MON who after a good start just kept coming out with the same dross every week. He’s been left with an unbalanced squad with holes in it made all the worse by injuries. There have been mistakes but I’m not sure whoever gets picked that we’d be any better such is the limitations he has available. GKs - Neither are solid. (who does he pick?) RB / RWB - Clarke / Sterling (neither have been available) LB / LWB - Tymon is good but injured. Fox and Fosu are poor CB - Soutter (injured), Wilmot then the others are slow and full of errors DM - Not really a proper one at the club that’s fit CM - Baker and Laurent if given freedom are decent but Laurents trying to gain fitness Playmaker - Powells always injured. Smallbone is poor Strikers - Next to no service but have flattered to deceive. Brown injured.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 4, 2022 7:12:33 GMT
There’s some rewriting of history on here Those weeping for O’Neill clearly weren’t at Millwall and Huddersfield away or Sunderland at home this season WITH HIS SQUAD and two years of virtually no efforts at goal week after week He’s left a miss shaped utter shambles that Neil is trying to sort out I really don't see the argument a few have made that things would've been fine under O'Neill once the injured players came back. He'd totally lost his way.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 4, 2022 7:21:59 GMT
If by any different the OP means style of play then yes very different - Neil's preferred formation is 4 at the back and play a high tempo physical game which he can't do because of injuries and the squad he has inherited. Given the squad it is highly likely Neil will do worse than O'Neill this season. Why is anyone surprised by that?
If by different the OP means better or worse than O'Neill then definitely worse in the short term and that is down to the decision to sack O'Neill when the transfer window was done and bring in a manager with a completely different approach. Whether Neil turns out to be a better manager than O'Neill in the medium to long term remains to be seen.
I think this squad is good enough to stay up so if we are in a relegation battle come Easter then questioning Neil's credentials for the job is legitimate. I think it's inevitable we will get more results like Watford along the way but I think we'll see a gradual improvement as Neil makes his mark and will end up mid table. If he does that then it will be next season when Neil can be fairly judged against O'Neill and it could easily go either way.
It seems to me that the over reaction on here is down to the view that everything is the fault of the manager and just getting "the right man" is the answer to all our problems and will result in an immediate turn round in fortunes. It isn't and it won't.
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Post by milky on Oct 4, 2022 7:30:27 GMT
There’s some rewriting of history on here Those weeping for O’Neill clearly weren’t at Millwall and Huddersfield away or Sunderland at home this season WITH HIS SQUAD and two years of virtually no efforts at goal week after week He’s left a miss shaped utter shambles that Neil is trying to sort out Reminds me of when the knives were out for Hughes early doors after an indifferent start when he replaced their hero but once things began to click ( and it took time ) they soon scuttled off . I'm sure AN would have been as alarmed at what he witnessed after that 2nd goal went in on Sunday as much as any supporter but until January at least he is stuck with a few piss weak ( in mind and body) individuals that his predecessor brought in. It's going to be a stormy old season I feel of ups and quite a few downs that we have just got to ride out unless the injuries clear up and something just clicks.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 4, 2022 7:36:03 GMT
There’s some rewriting of history on here Those weeping for O’Neill clearly weren’t at Millwall and Huddersfield away or Sunderland at home this season WITH HIS SQUAD and two years of virtually no efforts at goal week after week He’s left a miss shaped utter shambles that Neil is trying to sort out No one is weeping for MON from what I can see. But we have different definitions of “utter shambles”, the team that beat Blackpool (Tymon assisting Clarke with a goal wing back to wing back) would do just fine in this league. Many posters said we had a top 6 squad I’m a bit confused as to which one it is? I am confident AN will do a good job, but to quote people on here “Saturday was on him”
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 4, 2022 7:52:00 GMT
If by any different the OP means style of play then yes very different - Neil's preferred formation is 4 at the back and play a high tempo physical game which he can't do because of injuries and the squad he has inherited. Given the squad it is highly likely Neil will do worse than O'Neill this season. Why is anyone surprised by that? If by different the OP means better or worse than O'Neill then definitely worse in the short term and that is down to the decision to sack O'Neill when the transfer window was done and bring in a manager with a completely different approach. Whether Neil turns out to be a better manager than O'Neill in the medium to long term remains to be seen. I think this squad is good enough to stay up so if we are in a relegation battle come Easter then questioning Neil's credentials for the job is legitimate. I think it's inevitable we will get more results like Watford along the way but I think we'll see a gradual improvement as Neil makes his mark and will end up mid table. If he does that then it will be next season when Neil can be fairly judged against O'Neill and it could easily go either way. It seems to me that the over reaction on here is down to the view that everything is the fault of the manager and just getting "the right man" is the answer to all our problems and will result in an immediate turn round in fortunes. It isn't and it won't. I agree with a lot of that but I don't understand why he can't play a back four? The limited Holden managed it ok, and I don't see how a back four of Sterling, Wilmot, Flint and Fox, while hardly the 1982 Italy defence, is worse than playing two players out of position as wing backs and trying to play a high line with a ponderously slow collection of centre backs?
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 4, 2022 8:20:45 GMT
Too few games to put a verdict on Neil yet. He should at least get a window to bring in a couple of players, and maybe let a couple go as well. Jags contract will be up in January and Souttar will hopefully already be back to his best at that point as well. If we could ship Clucas out too and bring in another midfielder, preferably another anchor player, it would be sensible business. If Delap hasn't started scoring or assisting goals by that point I think we should try to send him back to City as well. We need a player to hold the ball up and score the occasional goal, if not I'd rather have Brown up top. At lest he makes life tough for the defenders with his tireless workrate.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 4, 2022 10:16:53 GMT
There’s some rewriting of history on here Those weeping for O’Neill clearly weren’t at Millwall and Huddersfield away or Sunderland at home this season WITH HIS SQUAD and two years of virtually no efforts at goal week after week He’s left a miss shaped utter shambles that Neil is trying to sort out No one is weeping for MON from what I can see. But we have different definitions of “utter shambles”, the team that beat Blackpool (Tymon assisting Clarke with a goal wing back to wing back) would do just fine in this league. Many posters said we had a top 6 squad I’m a bit confused as to which one it is? I am confident AN will do a good job, but to quote people on here “Saturday was on him” No one? Are you sure? I can think of one 😁
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 4, 2022 10:26:12 GMT
There’s some rewriting of history on here Those weeping for O’Neill clearly weren’t at Millwall and Huddersfield away or Sunderland at home this season WITH HIS SQUAD and two years of virtually no efforts at goal week after week He’s left a miss shaped utter shambles that Neil is trying to sort out Absolutely spot on. To make comparisons at this stage is quite frankly ludicrous. Neil needs at least x2 transfer windows.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 4, 2022 10:32:03 GMT
There’s some rewriting of history on here Those weeping for O’Neill clearly weren’t at Millwall and Huddersfield away or Sunderland at home this season WITH HIS SQUAD and two years of virtually no efforts at goal week after week He’s left a miss shaped utter shambles that Neil is trying to sort out Absolutely spot on. To make comparisons at this stage is quite frankly ludicrous. Neil needs at least x2 transfer windows. Definitely right.. Coates timing in bringing him in was appalling though it must be said, because if we are deeply in the mire by January then Neil will have negative momentum and all the psychology that goes with that to contend with.
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Post by thevoid on Oct 4, 2022 10:47:02 GMT
And you've reached this conclusion after a handful of games have you, Henry Winter?
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Post by Gods on Oct 4, 2022 10:59:03 GMT
I expect you're right but it's too soon to say. I have not entirely ruled out another change before the dust settles on this failing campaign. We've gone trigger happy since the halcyon Pulis / Hughes days.
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Post by thevoid on Oct 4, 2022 12:34:11 GMT
I expect you're right but it's too soon to say. I have not entirely ruled out another change before the dust settles on this failing campaign. We've gone trigger happy since the halcyon Pulis / Hughes days. At least Watford, for all the jokes, have had some modicum of success with their approach. We just don't seem to go anywhere
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Post by jhtstokie on Oct 4, 2022 12:38:34 GMT
Blokes been here for 5 games ffs.
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Post by thestatusquo on Oct 4, 2022 12:52:49 GMT
We seem to have all the new manager bounce of a medicine ball
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Post by gawa on Oct 4, 2022 12:56:16 GMT
Unfortunately there are a few members on here who put their pride above their clubs and are unable to see through the rose tinted glasses.
Those defending Alex Neil's woeful start were only saying a few months ago:
- Should walk this league with Delap - Every championship club was in for the likes of Delap, Gayle, Laurent etc.. - Squad is playoff material minimum. Anything less is a failure. - Injuries are an excuse, the manager should be able to adapt. - Issue is the manager playing players out of position to persist with a formation which doesn't work. - The manager has been "backed" (my favourite one. Alex Neil spent more on net transfers in one sunderland window than MON in 3 years)
Now if you're one of the members on the forum which have spent the last 5 months posting all the above. The Void, Bayern, Igluguk etc. Looking at you chaps.
Well then of course you're not going to be able to then come out and criticise the shite which Alex Neil has been serving up. These are the members which were calling for the board to make the decision they did. And upon seeing Alex Neil was appointed, it was these same members which were very happy with the appointment.
They can't blame the board. They could say a change should have been made sooner of course. But they called for a change mid transfer window too, so they got what they want. And they were also very happy to see Alex Neil come in too, so again, they can't blame him either. And they can't really blame injuries either as that's just an "excuse". And they also can't blame the playing squad because under the last manager it was promotion standard. Although in their respect, they do flip flop on this opinion depending on the agenda.
Unfortunately though it's very difficult to offer any criticism on the current manager in front of an audience consisting of some of these members. As they're still obsessed with the last manager and bring him into every conversation. I wonder if Sunderland or Warford fans still talk about the old manager as much as some of our fans.
Michael O'Neil is gone. Move on. Get over it.
As for Alex Neil. Wasn't the man I wanted but decided to give him time and I still am trying my best to be patient with him too. Would be nice to see something on the pitch to make me feel more positive though.
The reasons I'm not a fan:
- Red flag the fact he goes from promoting Norwich to Preston to League one. If he's such a good manager, why do none of the good teams want him? - Did a mediocre job at Preston and left them in a lower league position than when he joined them. - Said he wasn't backed at Sunderland despite having second highest net spend in the league. - Lacks integrity. Doesn't look good watching another football club when employed by your current club and have a game to manage on the same day. - Seems to lack ideas and has very much just carbon copied the system of the last manager except made it worse. By playing our top goalscoring striker at RWB. And our top goalscoring midfielder as our deepest midfielder in games. - Not a fan of the fact that DWP and Taylor are now cast aside. Don't like the fact we haven't seen any other youth players get a chance. And feels like Bursik only got a chance again due to a freak injury. - Every interview so far it's excuses and other people's faults. Not seen Alex Neil admit anything he's done wrong yet. I like a manager to take accountability. - Saturday was a clear example of him lacking ideas on how to change things. Just stood on the sideline scratching his head. - Rumours are suggesting he's not popular in the dressing room. Which tbf was toxic when the last manager came in and was probably one of the better dressing rooms in the league when he left. - Statistically we are performing worse in most stats on average than we were before the change. Prior to that it was individual frustrating errors costing us. Now we're being outplayed most games. - he's got one of the most talented young strikers in England and he doesn't seem to be able to get anything out of him yet. - He signed a third player on loan, who was injured for over a month while we already have loads of injuries, and plays in a position that 2 other loanees already play in. Was that really the position to strengthen out of everyone he could have tried to sign.
Dyche, Wilder, Holden, McKenna, Carrick. Many managers I would have selected before this arrogant man. And if the rumours on twitter from the dressing room are true, I'm not the only person whose not taken to him.
Some fans on here were too obsessed with trying to get an immediate change rather than the right change. And with An on a 3 year contract and our FFP position. It feels like we've taken a gamble and now our hands are tied and we've just got to suck it up.
You can say what you want about Michael O'Neil but at least we were progressing, albeit slowly at times. I'm now worried that the regression has began and that we're now locked in a corner with no option but to stick this out and hope it works.
I really hope I've misjudged Alex Neil's character and that he can change things around and show a more endearing and likeable character too. We all have to hope because I genuinely think we have no choice now as we can't afford to change it up again.
But for the life of me, I just don't have confidence in the bloke. Let's hope we can get to January outside of the relegation zone at least and then maybe with his own players we can expect to see change. But some of you need to be realistic too. We have FFP restrictions and we don't have a money tree that's suddenly bloomed. O'Neil had to make a net profit and reduce the wage bill to keep us abiding with FFP rules. And I imagine for Alex Neil it may very well be the same whereby he needs to generate his own funds.
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Post by pottersrule on Oct 4, 2022 13:10:52 GMT
Much prefer AN to MON who had plenty of time and resources given him to produce one of the most unbalanced and unprofessional squads you will see in football. AN only has what he’s been shafted with and it’s hard to work with a pile of shite. If it’s the same in twelve months then fair enough, but to suggest we were any better under MON is codswallop. Don’t disagree, but the imbalance that wasn’t addressed by MON wasn’t addressed today by AN either, he chose to play two players out of position at wing back…… Wing back is Sterlings favoured position,but his lack of game time was obvious.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 4, 2022 13:11:51 GMT
Don’t disagree, but the imbalance that wasn’t addressed by MON wasn’t addressed today by AN either, he chose to play two players out of position at wing back…… Wing back is Sterlings favoured position,but his lack of game time was obvious. He's more of a right back/RWB than a left-sided one though. He's played there before but not that often and not his best position.
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Post by wilcopotter on Oct 4, 2022 13:17:07 GMT
Unfortunately there are a few members on here who put their pride above their clubs and are unable to see through the rose tinted glasses. Those defending Alex Neil's woeful start were only saying a few months ago: - Should walk this league with Delap - Every championship club was in for the likes of Delap, Gayle, Laurent etc.. - Squad is playoff material minimum. Anything less is a failure. - Injuries are an excuse, the manager should be able to adapt. - Issue is the manager playing players out of position to persist with a formation which doesn't work. - The manager has been "backed" (my favourite one. Alex Neil spent more on net transfers in one sunderland window than MON in 3 years) Now if you're one of the members on the forum which have spent the last 5 months posting all the above. The Void, Bayern, Igluguk etc. Looking at you chaps. Well then of course you're not going to be able to then come out and criticise the shite which Alex Neil has been serving up. These are the members which were calling for the board to make the decision they did. And upon seeing Alex Neil was appointed, it was these same members which were very happy with the appointment. They can't blame the board. They could say a change should have been made sooner of course. But they called for a change mid transfer window too, so they got what they want. And they were also very happy to see Alex Neil come in too, so again, they can't blame him either. And they can't really blame injuries either as that's just an "excuse". And they also can't blame the playing squad because under the last manager it was promotion standard. Although in their respect, they do flip flop on this opinion depending on the agenda. Unfortunately though it's very difficult to offer any criticism on the current manager in front of an audience consisting of some of these members. As they're still obsessed with the last manager and bring him into every conversation. I wonder if Sunderland or Warford fans still talk about the old manager as much as some of our fans. Michael O'Neil is gone. Move on. Get over it. As for Alex Neil. Wasn't the man I wanted but decided to give him time and I still am trying my best to be patient with him too. Would be nice to see something on the pitch to make me feel more positive though. The reasons I'm not a fan: - Red flag the fact he goes from promoting Norwich to Preston to League one. If he's such a good manager, why do none of the good teams want him? - Did a mediocre job at Preston and left them in a lower league position than when he joined them. - Said he wasn't backed at Sunderland despite having second highest net spend in the league. - Lacks integrity. Doesn't look good watching another football club when employed by your current club and have a game to manage on the same day. - Seems to lack ideas and has very much just carbon copied the system of the last manager except made it worse. By playing our top goalscoring striker at RWB. And our top goalscoring midfielder as our deepest midfielder in games. - Not a fan of the fact that DWP and Taylor are now cast aside. Don't like the fact we haven't seen any other youth players get a chance. And feels like Bursik only got a chance again due to a freak injury. - Every interview so far it's excuses and other people's faults. Not seen Alex Neil admit anything he's done wrong yet. I like a manager to take accountability. - Saturday was a clear example of him lacking ideas on how to change things. Just stood on the sideline scratching his head. - Rumours are suggesting he's not popular in the dressing room. Which tbf was toxic when the last manager came in and was probably one of the better dressing rooms in the league when he left. - Statistically we are performing worse in most stats on average than we were before the change. Prior to that it was individual frustrating errors costing us. Now we're being outplayed most games. - he's got one of the most talented young strikers in England and he doesn't seem to be able to get anything out of him yet. - He signed a third player on loan, who was injured for over a month while we already have loads of injuries, and plays in a position that 2 other loanees already play in. Was that really the position to strengthen out of everyone he could have tried to sign. Dyche, Wilder, Holden, McKenna, Carrick. Many managers I would have selected before this arrogant man. And if the rumours on twitter from the dressing room are true, I'm not the only person whose not taken to him. Some fans on here were too obsessed with trying to get an immediate change rather than the right change. And with An on a 3 year contract and our FFP position. It feels like we've taken a gamble and now our hands are tied and we've just got to suck it up. You can say what you want about Michael O'Neil but at least we were progressing, albeit slowly at times. I'm now worried that the regression has began and that we're now locked in a corner with no option but to stick this out and hope it works. I really hope I've misjudged Alex Neil's character and that he can change things around and show a more endearing and likeable character too. We all have to hope because I genuinely think we have no choice now as we can't afford to change it up again. But for the life of me, I just don't have confidence in the bloke. Let's hope we can get to January outside of the relegation zone at least and then maybe with his own players we can expect to see change. But some of you need to be realistic too. We have FFP restrictions and we don't have a money tree that's suddenly bloomed. O'Neil had to make a net profit and reduce the wage bill to keep us abiding with FFP rules. And I imagine for Alex Neil it may very well be the same whereby he needs to generate his own funds. You truly have got your fishing rod out today matey.
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 4, 2022 13:34:12 GMT
What's more concerning are the fans which continually don't hold Alex Neil to account. 1 win in 5. (against a side with 5 losses in 5) MON was rightly sacked for not getting the best out of an under performing squad which we know is capable of much more. Let's not pretend the players are now shit. THats the biggest load of bollocks youve written since the last biggest load of bollocks.....
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 4, 2022 13:34:15 GMT
Unfortunately there are a few members on here who put their pride above their clubs and are unable to see through the rose tinted glasses. Those defending Alex Neil's woeful start were only saying a few months ago: - Should walk this league with Delap - Every championship club was in for the likes of Delap, Gayle, Laurent etc.. - Squad is playoff material minimum. Anything less is a failure. - Injuries are an excuse, the manager should be able to adapt. - Issue is the manager playing players out of position to persist with a formation which doesn't work. - The manager has been "backed" (my favourite one. Alex Neil spent more on net transfers in one sunderland window than MON in 3 years) Now if you're one of the members on the forum which have spent the last 5 months posting all the above. The Void, Bayern, Igluguk etc. Looking at you chaps. Well then of course you're not going to be able to then come out and criticise the shite which Alex Neil has been serving up. These are the members which were calling for the board to make the decision they did. And upon seeing Alex Neil was appointed, it was these same members which were very happy with the appointment. They can't blame the board. They could say a change should have been made sooner of course. But they called for a change mid transfer window too, so they got what they want. And they were also very happy to see Alex Neil come in too, so again, they can't blame him either. And they can't really blame injuries either as that's just an "excuse". And they also can't blame the playing squad because under the last manager it was promotion standard. Although in their respect, they do flip flop on this opinion depending on the agenda. Unfortunately though it's very difficult to offer any criticism on the current manager in front of an audience consisting of some of these members. As they're still obsessed with the last manager and bring him into every conversation. I wonder if Sunderland or Warford fans still talk about the old manager as much as some of our fans. Michael O'Neil is gone. Move on. Get over it. As for Alex Neil. Wasn't the man I wanted but decided to give him time and I still am trying my best to be patient with him too. Would be nice to see something on the pitch to make me feel more positive though. The reasons I'm not a fan: - Red flag the fact he goes from promoting Norwich to Preston to League one. If he's such a good manager, why do none of the good teams want him? - Did a mediocre job at Preston and left them in a lower league position than when he joined them. - Said he wasn't backed at Sunderland despite having second highest net spend in the league. - Lacks integrity. Doesn't look good watching another football club when employed by your current club and have a game to manage on the same day. - Seems to lack ideas and has very much just carbon copied the system of the last manager except made it worse. By playing our top goalscoring striker at RWB. And our top goalscoring midfielder as our deepest midfielder in games. - Not a fan of the fact that DWP and Taylor are now cast aside. Don't like the fact we haven't seen any other youth players get a chance. And feels like Bursik only got a chance again due to a freak injury. - Every interview so far it's excuses and other people's faults. Not seen Alex Neil admit anything he's done wrong yet. I like a manager to take accountability. - Saturday was a clear example of him lacking ideas on how to change things. Just stood on the sideline scratching his head. - Rumours are suggesting he's not popular in the dressing room. Which tbf was toxic when the last manager came in and was probably one of the better dressing rooms in the league when he left. - Statistically we are performing worse in most stats on average than we were before the change. Prior to that it was individual frustrating errors costing us. Now we're being outplayed most games. - he's got one of the most talented young strikers in England and he doesn't seem to be able to get anything out of him yet. - He signed a third player on loan, who was injured for over a month while we already have loads of injuries, and plays in a position that 2 other loanees already play in. Was that really the position to strengthen out of everyone he could have tried to sign. Dyche, Wilder, Holden, McKenna, Carrick. Many managers I would have selected before this arrogant man. And if the rumours on twitter from the dressing room are true, I'm not the only person whose not taken to him. Some fans on here were too obsessed with trying to get an immediate change rather than the right change. And with An on a 3 year contract and our FFP position. It feels like we've taken a gamble and now our hands are tied and we've just got to suck it up. You can say what you want about Michael O'Neil but at least we were progressing, albeit slowly at times. I'm now worried that the regression has began and that we're now locked in a corner with no option but to stick this out and hope it works. I really hope I've misjudged Alex Neil's character and that he can change things around and show a more endearing and likeable character too. We all have to hope because I genuinely think we have no choice now as we can't afford to change it up again. But for the life of me, I just don't have confidence in the bloke. Let's hope we can get to January outside of the relegation zone at least and then maybe with his own players we can expect to see change. But some of you need to be realistic too. We have FFP restrictions and we don't have a money tree that's suddenly bloomed. O'Neil had to make a net profit and reduce the wage bill to keep us abiding with FFP rules. And I imagine for Alex Neil it may very well be the same whereby he needs to generate his own funds. A few things... You can't say 'Michael O'Neill is gone' as if he shouldn't be referenced anymore when we're trying to undo much of the mess he created in terms of an unbalanced squad that's neither fish nor fowl. You can criticise AN for his failure to remotely get to grips with that so far, but if you shit the bed you can't really turn around and put 100% of the blame on the bloke struggling to mop it up. In what way were we 'progressing' under O'Neil? We'd had a shocking second half of the season two years in a row and he'd then taken four points from a possible 15 with some incredibly worrying performances to boot. The signings were scattershot and we were no closer to seeing what his vision of how he wanted us to play was than we were 12 months ago. He entrusted three of the most important positions in his system to three inexperienced young loan players. We're still reaping what was sown there. Neil actually did a good job overall at Preston and took them to the cusp of the play-offs twice despite having one of the smallest budgets in the league. We signed Sterling because the player we'd signed to play RB was injured and the alternatives MON left us with were a winger and a teenage midfielder who had a mare at Huddersfield.
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Post by georgeberrysafro on Oct 4, 2022 13:38:04 GMT
Sorry but it's way too early to judge him yet. He needs at least 1 or 2 transfer windows to bring in the players that suit his style, and to sell/remove those that have been poor recruitment or don't fancy his style. Yes, that vs Watford was terrible but we'll see tomorrow how he and the players react, we've got two tough tests coming up.
I would have been okay sticking with O'Neil until the end of the season and I wouldn't have put Neil in my top 2/3 managers we should have gone for. So far he speaks well and has told it how it is and he was clearly p#$$ed with some of our play vs Watford when the camera was on him on the sideline. Previous players have spoken very highly of his style and methods.
If he fails again we've got to look at why this is happening long term? It'll be the 4th manager in the Championship that hasn't managed to get us close to being in chance of promotion. However, we're a long way off that point.
P.S. Taking a pathetic rumour from twitter and adding to it isn't going to do anyone any good.
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Post by biddulphchav on Oct 4, 2022 13:49:07 GMT
Sorry but it's way too early to judge him yet. He needs at least 1 or 2 transfer windows to bring in the players that suit his style, and to sell/remove those that have been poor recruitment or don't fancy his style. Yes, that vs Watford was terrible but we'll see tomorrow how he and the players react, we've got two tough tests coming up. I would have been okay sticking with O'Neil until the end of the season and I wouldn't have put Neil in my top 2/3 managers we should have gone for. So far he speaks well and has told it how it is and he was clearly p#$$ed with some of our play vs Watford when the camera was on him on the sideline. Previous players have spoken very highly of his style and methods. If he fails again we've got to look at why this is happening long term? It'll be the 4th manager in the Championship that hasn't managed to get us close to being in chance of promotion. However, we're a long way off that point. P.S. Taking a pathetic rumour from twitter and adding to it isn't going to do anyone any good. I don’t buy this ‘he needs his own players’ nonsense I keep seeing everywhere. A good manager can get a tune out of pretty much any decent players, and we’ve got a good squad on paper. Once the injured players are back there is enough to work with and we should be performing better than we are. The manager deserves some slack while he gets to know the place and a few players come back from injury. If we don’t improve, and quickly, he’ll be getting stick and rightly so. Not saying we should be in the automatic spots but anyone telling me that this squad once it is properly organised and motivated is not capable of a top 10 finish as an absolute minimum is full of it
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2022 13:53:07 GMT
Sorry but it's way too early to judge him yet. He needs at least 1 or 2 transfer windows to bring in the players that suit his style, and to sell/remove those that have been poor recruitment or don't fancy his style. Yes, that vs Watford was terrible but we'll see tomorrow how he and the players react, we've got two tough tests coming up. I would have been okay sticking with O'Neil until the end of the season and I wouldn't have put Neil in my top 2/3 managers we should have gone for. So far he speaks well and has told it how it is and he was clearly p#$$ed with some of our play vs Watford when the camera was on him on the sideline. Previous players have spoken very highly of his style and methods. If he fails again we've got to look at why this is happening long term? It'll be the 4th manager in the Championship that hasn't managed to get us close to being in chance of promotion. However, we're a long way off that point. P.S. Taking a pathetic rumour from twitter and adding to it isn't going to do anyone any good. You are totally correct but you also have to get short term results to ensure you stay the distance to get those transfer windows under your belt. If we don't win in the next two that will be just 1 win from 7 games and a Paul Lambert style 14% win rate. It's not an impossible situation but it's a hell of a lot of pressure early doors in a new job that will be very hard to turn around. Here's hoping that we scab two 1 nil victories in the next two to get us up and running. I'd take one though to be fair.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 4, 2022 14:19:39 GMT
Sorry but it's way too early to judge him yet. He needs at least 1 or 2 transfer windows to bring in the players that suit his style, and to sell/remove those that have been poor recruitment or don't fancy his style. Yes, that vs Watford was terrible but we'll see tomorrow how he and the players react, we've got two tough tests coming up. I would have been okay sticking with O'Neil until the end of the season and I wouldn't have put Neil in my top 2/3 managers we should have gone for. So far he speaks well and has told it how it is and he was clearly p#$$ed with some of our play vs Watford when the camera was on him on the sideline. Previous players have spoken very highly of his style and methods. If he fails again we've got to look at why this is happening long term? It'll be the 4th manager in the Championship that hasn't managed to get us close to being in chance of promotion. However, we're a long way off that point. P.S. Taking a pathetic rumour from twitter and adding to it isn't going to do anyone any good. You are totally correct but you also have to get short term results to ensure you stay the distance to get those transfer windows under your belt. If we don't win in the next two that will be just 1 win from 7 games and a Paul Lambert style 14% win rate. It's not an impossible situation but it's a hell of a lot of pressure early doors in a new job that will be very hard to turn around. Here's hoping that we scab two 1 nil victories in the next two to get us up and running. I'd take one though to be fair. 9 games before a 4 week break when Neil will have the whole of the squad to work with. Got to keep picking up points regularly, be a long old break if we're stuck in or near the relegation zone. If Tymon, Clarke, Powell and Souttar are close to being back I honestly think we'll be fine, if not it could be attritional few weeks.........
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Post by georgeberrysafro on Oct 4, 2022 14:41:31 GMT
Sorry but it's way too early to judge him yet. He needs at least 1 or 2 transfer windows to bring in the players that suit his style, and to sell/remove those that have been poor recruitment or don't fancy his style. Yes, that vs Watford was terrible but we'll see tomorrow how he and the players react, we've got two tough tests coming up. I would have been okay sticking with O'Neil until the end of the season and I wouldn't have put Neil in my top 2/3 managers we should have gone for. So far he speaks well and has told it how it is and he was clearly p#$$ed with some of our play vs Watford when the camera was on him on the sideline. Previous players have spoken very highly of his style and methods. If he fails again we've got to look at why this is happening long term? It'll be the 4th manager in the Championship that hasn't managed to get us close to being in chance of promotion. However, we're a long way off that point. P.S. Taking a pathetic rumour from twitter and adding to it isn't going to do anyone any good. I don’t buy this ‘he needs his own players’ nonsense I keep seeing everywhere. A good manager can get a tune out of pretty much any decent players, and we’ve got a good squad on paper. Once the injured players are back there is enough to work with and we should be performing better than we are. The manager deserves some slack while he gets to know the place and a few players come back from injury. If we don’t improve, and quickly, he’ll be getting stick and rightly so. Not saying we should be in the automatic spots but anyone telling me that this squad once it is properly organised and motivated is not capable of a top 10 finish as an absolute minimum is full of it Of course he does. It doesn't have to be a whole squad, but three or four of his signings would change the mentality of the team - he said himself that after the second Watford goal the response wasn't good enough. Some of the squad wont fancy him I'm sure and they'll be shipped out/replaced. The last manager to do this successfully was TP - he scouted the players and made sure it was right for the team and it was the main reason we got promoted against expectations and why we stayed up. O'Neil constantly said it was a good group etc., but some of the performances suggested otherwise (losing a 3 goal lead to a poor Cardiff side). I agree - if after 20 games we still only have 1 win then with this squad he's deserve that stick - we've been told he's a good motivator and organizer. My main point is after 5 games you can't make any sensible assessment, the squad is unbalanced and we're still missing key players. However, he's said himself this shouldn't be an excuse with the squad. Let's see where we are in 10 games.
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