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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2022 13:40:21 GMT
Why is it a daft idea? Like some actual reasons. Risk of injuries in a none sense game. No time to get players used to a system, or tactics. Thereâs two. Do say pre season friendlies have no risk of injuries and are all meaningful games?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 14, 2022 14:21:42 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Sept 14, 2022 14:49:14 GMT
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Post by leicspotter on Sept 14, 2022 14:52:13 GMT
Because he has ideas on how to improve /change things? It's an interesting idea but I can see why clubs wouldn't want to release their players for it. Change things? you mean like scrapping relegation and promotion? 'cos that will be his next "big idea"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2022 15:05:44 GMT
When Alan Durban was our manager he proposed 4 quarters, bigger goals etc . He wanted the FA to trial it . Wenger wanted rule changes, Klopp has constantly moaned re fixtures.
All he has done is suggest a game which would be no different, in fact possibly more interesting than a run of the mill friendly
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 14, 2022 15:13:12 GMT
Because he has ideas on how to improve /change things? It's an interesting idea but I can see why clubs wouldn't want to release their players for it. Change things? you mean like scrapping relegation and promotion? 'cos that will be his next "big idea" True, let's get annoyed about things he hasn't suggested
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 14, 2022 15:19:36 GMT
Agree with Bayern, don't quite get the howls of outrage about it. It might turn out to be a completely shit idea but it seems absolutely harmless. And the outrage seems to be because heâs American and people donât like change. Not much in football needs changing but Iâve always thought the Charity Shield should be binned. Replacing it with this seems like a good suggestion. The relegation thing I donât like but itâs not like they donât do it on other football leagues. You finish third bottom in the Bundesliga and you play a team from Bundesliga 2 in a play off. It seems to work there. Would I want that here? Not really but itâs not a terrible idea that comes from just being a Yank. Yeah I don't like the play-off idea either but I think we used to do it in this country at one point too?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2022 15:24:09 GMT
I would change the play offs... one leg semi, highest team home advantage. A one off game far more exciting and reward for higher finish.
They tried the relegation play off before and was carnage at some grounds.
No Carabao Cup. Is shite
If top 3 team don't win the FA Cup. 4th place and FA Cup winners play off for CL place.
Arsenal players have to wear women's underwear...if they don't already
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Post by matelot1996 on Sept 14, 2022 16:51:42 GMT
Maybe Big drum parades, Cheer Leaders, Kiss-Cams and Half Time Rodeos. Prick! Wouldnât expect anything less from a Chelsea Owner.
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Post by a on Sept 14, 2022 17:36:50 GMT
Risk of injuries in a none sense game. No time to get players used to a system, or tactics. Thereâs two. Thatâs the same as the Charity Shield and this would garner much more interest and help to get a new generation into the game who at the minute prefer esports. Yes it is. Can do away with that too for me. Seems you are the vocal minority again on this oneâŚ
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Post by a on Sept 14, 2022 17:37:47 GMT
Risk of injuries in a none sense game. No time to get players used to a system, or tactics. Thereâs two. Do say pre season friendlies have no risk of injuries and are all meaningful games? Prepare your team for the new season. Thatâs the point of those games. Some think travel to far reaches increases club exposure too. Happy to explain đŤĄ
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2022 17:56:25 GMT
Do say pre season friendlies have no risk of injuries and are all meaningful games? Prepare your team for the new season. Thatâs the point of those games. Some think travel to far reaches increases club exposure too. Happy to explain 𫡠I think the Premier League gets decent exposure and 1 game isn't going to stop pre season tours is it? Does the Charity Shield do that? Happy to explain đ
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Post by a on Sept 14, 2022 18:31:46 GMT
Prepare your team for the new season. Thatâs the point of those games. Some think travel to far reaches increases club exposure too. Happy to explain 𫡠I think the Premier League gets decent exposure and 1 game isn't going to stop pre season tours is it? Does the Charity Shield do that? Happy to explain đ Best tell the clubs who go to Asia and the US pre season then, unless they think it serves a purpose? Also where have I suggested it would stop it? I take it you donât think pre season abroad is there in part to raise club profile?? The charity shield can stop for me, as Iâve already explainedâŚ.. Also, youâve explained nothingâŚ.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Sept 14, 2022 18:37:43 GMT
Save me from these Yanks who come to our game and within two minutes think they know it all and want to change it As opposed to Klopp who has being trying to dictate from day 1 Klopp has been in the game for quite sometime and generally is fairly sensible in what he says and talks with some experience Donât agree with everything he says but he has earned the right to express himself whilst this new Chelsea owner just knows the NFL
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Sept 14, 2022 18:42:56 GMT
What an absolute crock of shite of an idea.
Fair play to Klopp
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Post by pretzel on Sept 14, 2022 19:32:09 GMT
When Alan Durban was our manager he proposed 4 quarters, bigger goals etc . He wanted the FA to trial it. Always a big advocate of entertaining the fans was Alan.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2022 20:26:47 GMT
Thatâs the same as the Charity Shield and this would garner much more interest and help to get a new generation into the game who at the minute prefer esports. Yes it is. Can do away with that too for me. Seems you are the vocal minority again on this one⌠I couldnât give a shit what I am tbh đ Iâd be interested to see who did think it was a good idea and who didnât with an age comparison though in the wider footballing world. This place has a lot of older posters who are anti anything new.
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Post by a on Sept 14, 2022 20:31:19 GMT
Yes it is. Can do away with that too for me. Seems you are the vocal minority again on this one⌠I couldnât give a shit what I am tbh đ Iâd be interested to see who did think it was a good idea and who didnât with an age comparison though in the wider footballing world. This place has a lot of older posters who are anti anything new. Protected characteristic, careful.
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Post by madnellie on Sept 14, 2022 20:45:38 GMT
All the All Star games I've watched across the major North American sports have been mediocre at best. They're not played in the spirit of a competitive game so they tend to be tame and boring for me and it's hard to get invested in the result. I can't see this being anything more than a big six dominated money grabbing exercise and I'm sceptical it would attract many fans if the end product does turn out to be rubbish.
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 14, 2022 21:28:18 GMT
American professional athletes also don't have additional cups/competitions to play during a regular season. So an All Star game is a highlight-reel showcase of individual skills, but rarely competitive. (And in Baseball, depending upon regular season pitcher-rotation, top pitchers have been known to give it a pass)
It's mainly used by agents to inflate player-worth when it comes contract time. Big 6 will turn it into one of those air-powered money-grabbing booths.
In my opinion, there's already too much additional "fluff" in the way of "extra-curricular competitions" and player-rest really is becoming an issue for some of these top teams, Pep (& others) are right about that. These players are "assets" worth millions, so this complaint will keep coming up. Then you have Arsene Wenger coming up with "ideas" of having a World Cup every 2 years...what a twit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2022 21:32:55 GMT
American professional athletes also don't have additional cups/competitions to play during a regular season. So an All Star game is a highlight-reel showcase of individual skills, but rarely competitive. (And in Baseball, depending upon regular season pitcher-rotation, top pitchers have been known to give it a pass) It's mainly used by agents to inflate player-worth when it comes contract time. Big 6 will turn it into one of those air-powered money-grabbing booths. In my opinion, there's already too much additional "fluff" in the way of "extra-curricular competitions" and player-rest really is becoming an issue for some of these top teams, Pep (& others) are right about that. These players are "assets" worth millions, so this complaint will keep coming up. Then you have Arsene Wenger coming up with "ideas" of having a World Cup every 2 years...what a twit. Isnât the obvious plan to bin the League Cup though? Pointless competition.
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 14, 2022 21:34:28 GMT
American professional athletes also don't have additional cups/competitions to play during a regular season. So an All Star game is a highlight-reel showcase of individual skills, but rarely competitive. (And in Baseball, depending upon regular season pitcher-rotation, top pitchers have been known to give it a pass) It's mainly used by agents to inflate player-worth when it comes contract time. Big 6 will turn it into one of those air-powered money-grabbing booths. In my opinion, there's already too much additional "fluff" in the way of "extra-curricular competitions" and player-rest really is becoming an issue for some of these top teams, Pep (& others) are right about that. These players are "assets" worth millions, so this complaint will keep coming up. Then you have Arsene Wenger coming up with "ideas" of having a World Cup every 2 years...what a twit. Isnât the obvious plan to bin the League Cup though? Pointless competition. Is that "official"? But yeah, still ...lots of risk for very little gain imho.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2022 21:39:57 GMT
Isnât the obvious plan to bin the League Cup though? Pointless competition. Is that "official"? But yeah, still ...lots of risk for very little gain imho. I donât think thereâs any plan to. But no one takes it seriously any more. The crowds are shit. One of the top 6 generally wins it anyway. Just seems the easy thing to do and wouldnât piss anyone off that matters?
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 14, 2022 22:39:22 GMT
Is that "official"? But yeah, still ...lots of risk for very little gain imho. I donât think thereâs any plan to. But no one takes it seriously any more. The crowds are shit. One of the top 6 generally wins it anyway. Just seems the easy thing to do and wouldnât piss anyone off that matters? Gotta admit, am not too bothered when we get knocked out of these extra competitions the way our injuries have been the past few years. But that's easy for me to say as I'm not the one losing the day out. I get the attraction of competing against teams we rarely see, but at what cost? Sorry, but the Bojan thing still wrankles...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2022 22:45:27 GMT
I donât think thereâs any plan to. But no one takes it seriously any more. The crowds are shit. One of the top 6 generally wins it anyway. Just seems the easy thing to do and wouldnât piss anyone off that matters? Gotta admit, am not too bothered when we get knocked out of these extra competitions the way our injuries have been the past few years. But that's easy for me to say as I'm not the one losing the day out. I get the attraction of competing against teams we rarely see, but at what cost? Sorry, but the Bojan thing still wrankles... Wasnât that in the FA Cup? Which is sacrosanct and shouldnât be touched. The League Cup though just seems to do nothing for anyone. Itâs best thing at the minute is clubs actually give some young players a game in it. Past that itâs a dead competition.
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 14, 2022 22:53:24 GMT
Gotta admit, am not too bothered when we get knocked out of these extra competitions the way our injuries have been the past few years. But that's easy for me to say as I'm not the one losing the day out. I get the attraction of competing against teams we rarely see, but at what cost? Sorry, but the Bojan thing still wrankles... Wasnât that in the FA Cup? Which is sacrosanct and shouldnât be touched. The League Cup though just seems to do nothing for anyone. Itâs best thing at the minute is clubs actually give some young players a game in it. Past that itâs a dead competition. You're right - if I recall it was an FA cup game, not a League Cup game. And I agree about the League Cup.
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Post by marylandstoke on Sept 14, 2022 23:43:00 GMT
Maybe Big drum parades, Cheer Leaders, Kiss-Cams and Half Time Rodeos. Prick! Wouldnât expect anything less from a Chelsea Owner. Gosh! Maybe some warm milk and a lie down.
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Post by cvillestokie on Sept 15, 2022 1:37:07 GMT
ok when are these north vs south teams going to train together? Why have another mini tournament for the bottom 4? (isn't that the league itself?) when will the games be played? It's diluting the intensity of a system that already works and is awash with money. he's aiming for a long term goal of the american system with franchises and no promotion and relegation. It's the most popular league of the most popular sport in the world, and he thinks we need to 'learn' from US sports. IF he gets his way on this one thing so early on, it won't be long before we have ManU Vs Chelsea at the hollywood bowl. So in my opinion, he should be ignored, mocked and told to 'sit down shut up' until he has a greater understanding of the importance of football in this country. Not training much together adds to the spectacle. The bottom 4 thing is daft (but works in the Bundesliga) but Iâve not mentioned that. Replace the Charity Shield. The all star is a good idea that would could actually help to get more young people to watch football which I believe is an issue at the moment. Current all-star games: 1. Any top 6 game, given that there is a disparity that doesnât exist in the NFL 2. International games, which donât exist in NFL 3. Champions League games, guess where they donât exist 4. European Super Cup⌠5. World Club CupâŚâŚ There is no reason to get rid of a traditional cup just because you donât like it and then pretend that it will increase viewership of the most watched sport in the World despite many, many formats of the same thing already existing as the one you suggested to replace it with.
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Post by cvillestokie on Sept 15, 2022 2:18:32 GMT
The internationals is a great point though. The NFL doesnât have this because only Americans care about hand-egg. So they need something extra to make it feel special. The game does not need more money. NFL is pretty big over here so thatâs crap for a start. Itâd be a one off game and replacing the charity shield would make sense. Internationals arenât really all star either. NFL has no comparable league to compete with, so itâs not crap. American football doesnât exist at a high level outside of the US. So they have âall-starâ games, because they have no one else to play with. It gets watched by some people in other countries because it is made for tv. Going to the games can be damn boring depending on how many timeouts etc the team will run down. To stop a sporting event for a tv break every 2 minutes is about as boring to see live as you could imagine.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 15, 2022 6:11:20 GMT
The big games tend to be good I think. Whatâs the difference if it happened in a friendly or the charity shield? It happens. As a replacement for the charity shield I think itâd be interesting. And if done inventively could get more younger fans into the game as you could make it like FIFA and give them a bit of involvement with selections of squads. Be far better. We have a pre season and Klopp doesn't dictate despite his attempts to. The Charity Shield a bit of a nothing game these days and this would be a far better idea To be fair this seasons charity shield was a cracking game and a breath of fresh air after a few weeks of womens footballđ
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