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Post by foster on Jul 3, 2023 13:25:11 GMT
So how widespread is Transgenderism (is that even a word?) and I don't mean that in a sense of trivialising the issue In the most recent 2021 Census which an optional question was "Is the gender you identify with the same as your sex registered at birth?" 45.7 Million or 94% answered the question and responded as follows: 262,000 said No 118,000 didn't respond in what way 48,000 identified as Trans Men 48,000 identified as Trans Women 30,000 identified as non-binary 18,000 identified in a different gender identity So a very small percentage of Society (<0.5%) struggle living in the Gender in which they were born. It is commonly accepted that many people who struggle in this way suffer anxiety and mental conditions largely because of non acceptance by Society. Is this an issue which should be so polarised or should it be Trans people should be given help to support their life choices that have no effect on others. Homosexuality was legalised in UK in 1967. Rather than leave the matter rest the Conservative Government of Margaret Thatcher in 1988 brought in an ammendment to the 1967 Law - Section 28 which prohibited the "Promotion of Homosexuality" This Law caused many support groups to close or face prosecution leaving a Vaccum for vulnerable people. Besides the Conservative Government those most prominent in the campaign to have the ammendment introduced to restrict peoples access to information were Religious Groups like Salvation Army, Christian Institute, Catholic Church, Muslim Council, Church of England etc They were aided in their campaign by The Daily Mail, The Telegraph and The Sun. The ammendment was repealed in 2003. Perhaps Mrs Patrick Campbell was on the right track when she said almost 100 years ago "Does it really matter what these affectionate people do — so long as they don’t do it in the streets and frighten the horses!" To be fair, no one really gives a fuck. If someone's trans then who really cares. I'm still waiting on Prest to provide some proof as to how and why Rowling is transphobic? Or why stating that a biologically born female is classed as female is transphobic? I'm curious to know why stating the obvious is deemed offensive to some?
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Post by gawa on Jul 3, 2023 13:31:09 GMT
It seems the person has been used to distract from the real issue being reported and to change the conversation away from water bills affecting everyone and instead to discuss a trans person. It's worked quite well. Why would ITV News employ such a tactic? They have no vested interest in the well-being of water companies to my knowledge. I don't know. They contacted the person via their TUC email wanting to speak to them about the issues they're facing in relation to water bills and the cost of living. According to the person they didn't ask to speak to a mother, just a person. The ITV then spun it into a story about a "mum" and made them wash plates like 5 times to get the right shots and images. Why ITV did that I don't know. But in doing so they've managed to overshadow a segment on water bills to be about trans instead. If you're gonna do a story about mothers then make it clear from the off it's about that and get someone on thar mothers can relate to. Not a trans person. That's my opinion.
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Post by noustie on Jul 3, 2023 13:37:36 GMT
I'm sorry but if trans community are the most marginalised why have ITV gone with the above bloke not only cosplaying female but also claiming motherhood to report on water bills when there are 20m+ other mums to choose from? The picture is a bloke having an infant sucking his nipple to get moob gunk out on a bus ffs. It's suitably 2023 that they're now playing the victim card on Twitter and it's transphobes with the issue. Where's the line? You'd have to ask ITV. Why was Brianna Ghey murdered after years of transphobic abuse and gang beatings? I prefer to look at the stats, as I said earlier I'm not here to defend every person who may or may not claim to be trans including the person you're referring to, but to generalise a whole group of people with statements such as "they're now playing the victim card on Twitter" isn't helpful in my opinion.......... EDIT Actually I'll let her explain it herself: Doesn’t really answer it though does it – why if they as a group are the most marginalised in society as is regularly trotted out have ITV been comfortable enough not only to invite someone identifying as a woman but also as a mother to comment on water bills instead of a working mother? In addition they themselves obviously feel safe enough to squirt moob gunk into a baby’s face on public transport and ‘they’ individually are playing the victim card to a certain degree of success on Twitter although the 2023 version of Rosa Parks isn’t getting much traction. Individual cases aren’t much use granted but you basically said things were much simpler when a fictitious character was running a café in Coronation Street and pointed to a single murder that’s still going through the courts. Genuinely absolutely no issue with trans folk until it starts infringing on the rights and protection of women. There’s various concerns around how it can possibly be managed if the need for medical assessment is removed with an example the disproportionate number of trans sexual offenders recorded in prison. That doesn’t mean trans folk are more rapey but instead rapey folk are seeing advantage in a hugely flawed system. Women have also apparently become more likely to commit violent/ sexual crime since blokes have been able to identify as such - are women more violent or are blokes taking the piss? If can't record the data correctly how can it be managed? The bloke playing Isla Fisher has raised a complaint against the prison service for being mis-gendered ffs as a hate crime! Another concern is what happens if/when this turns out to the phase like goths purely as example and numbers starting going downwards again? There’ll be a generation of kids who’ve essentially been medical Guinea pigs especially with de-transition becoming more regular; osteoporosis; menopause being experienced in late twenties, etc. Alternatively, are the numbers going to increase further and we should be looking to understand why and how to manage it better given Cass Report found up to c.80% from memory actually grew out of it - 20% would still represent a large number in a small sub-section. Whole thing is a slow moving car crash for and if there was genuine concern for the community as a whole being kind and shouting ‘transphobe’ isn’t much use – the adults need to re-enter the room. Highlighting a bloke whose social media includes getting a baby to suck his nipples on a bus really isn’t doing the cause a favour regardless if they thought it was inclusive or were using it to divert attention from the water company.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 3, 2023 13:37:43 GMT
So how widespread is Transgenderism (is that even a word?) and I don't mean that in a sense of trivialising the issue In the most recent 2021 Census which an optional question was "Is the gender you identify with the same as your sex registered at birth?" 45.7 Million or 94% answered the question and responded as follows: 262,000 said No 118,000 didn't respond in what way 48,000 identified as Trans Men 48,000 identified as Trans Women 30,000 identified as non-binary 18,000 identified in a different gender identity So a very small percentage of Society (<0.5%) struggle living in the Gender in which they were born. It is commonly accepted that many people who struggle in this way suffer anxiety and mental conditions largely because of non acceptance by Society. Is this an issue which should be so polarised or should it be Trans people should be given help to support their life choices that have no effect on others. Homosexuality was legalised in UK in 1967. Rather than leave the matter rest the Conservative Government of Margaret Thatcher in 1988 brought in an ammendment to the 1967 Law - Section 28 which prohibited the "Promotion of Homosexuality" This Law caused many support groups to close or face prosecution leaving a Vaccum for vulnerable people. Besides the Conservative Government those most prominent in the campaign to have the ammendment introduced to restrict peoples access to information were Religious Groups like Salvation Army, Christian Institute, Catholic Church, Muslim Council, Church of England etc They were aided in their campaign by The Daily Mail, The Telegraph and The Sun. The ammendment was repealed in 2003. Perhaps Mrs Patrick Campbell was on the right track when she said almost 100 years ago "Does it really matter what these affectionate people do — so long as they don’t do it in the streets and frighten the horses!" To be fair, no one really gives a fuck. If someone's trans then who really cares. I'm still waiting on Prest to provide some proof as to how and why Rowling is transphobic? Or why stating that a biologically born female is classed as female is transphobic? I'm curious to know why stating the obvious is deemed offensive to some? I didn't say she is transphobic please don't misquote me. I said she has shared and liked articles/tweets from people who I would absolutely class as transphobic there is a difference and only she would be able to answer those that accuse her directly. She herself has acknowledged this and in a couple of cases apologised by the way, I'll happily send a couple of examples later when I'm at home and not in the office and also when Twitter lets me back on as I appear to have reached my limit for the day despite going on it for about 5 minutes this morning..............
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Post by wannabee on Jul 3, 2023 13:37:58 GMT
So how widespread is Transgenderism (is that even a word?) and I don't mean that in a sense of trivialising the issue In the most recent 2021 Census which an optional question was "Is the gender you identify with the same as your sex registered at birth?" 45.7 Million or 94% answered the question and responded as follows: 262,000 said No 118,000 didn't respond in what way 48,000 identified as Trans Men 48,000 identified as Trans Women 30,000 identified as non-binary 18,000 identified in a different gender identity So a very small percentage of Society (<0.5%) struggle living in the Gender in which they were born. It is commonly accepted that many people who struggle in this way suffer anxiety and mental conditions largely because of non acceptance by Society. Is this an issue which should be so polarised or should it be Trans people should be given help to support their life choices that have no effect on others. Homosexuality was legalised in UK in 1967. Rather than leave the matter rest the Conservative Government of Margaret Thatcher in 1988 brought in an ammendment to the 1967 Law - Section 28 which prohibited the "Promotion of Homosexuality" This Law caused many support groups to close or face prosecution leaving a Vaccum for vulnerable people. Besides the Conservative Government those most prominent in the campaign to have the ammendment introduced to restrict peoples access to information were Religious Groups like Salvation Army, Christian Institute, Catholic Church, Muslim Council, Church of England etc They were aided in their campaign by The Daily Mail, The Telegraph and The Sun. The ammendment was repealed in 2003. Perhaps Mrs Patrick Campbell was on the right track when she said almost 100 years ago "Does it really matter what these affectionate people do — so long as they don’t do it in the streets and frighten the horses!" To be fair, no one really gives a fuck. If someone's trans then who really cares. I'm still waiting on Prest to provide some proof as to how and why Rowling is transphobic? Or why stating that a biologically born female is classed as female is transphobic? I'm curious to know why stating the obvious is deemed offensive to some? If you mean how people identify shouldn’t be of any business to people other than themselves I wholeheartedly agree On the question of proof have you been able to find any in support of your claim that there was looting in Belgium at protests in support of Nahel?
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Post by noustie on Jul 3, 2023 13:40:10 GMT
So how widespread is Transgenderism (is that even a word?) and I don't mean that in a sense of trivialising the issue In the most recent 2021 Census which an optional question was "Is the gender you identify with the same as your sex registered at birth?" 45.7 Million or 94% answered the question and responded as follows: 262,000 said No 118,000 didn't respond in what way 48,000 identified as Trans Men 48,000 identified as Trans Women 30,000 identified as non-binary 18,000 identified in a different gender identity So a very small percentage of Society (<0.5%) struggle living in the Gender in which they were born. It is commonly accepted that many people who struggle in this way suffer anxiety and mental conditions largely because of non acceptance by Society. Is this an issue which should be so polarised or should it be Trans people should be given help to support their life choices that have no effect on others. Homosexuality was legalised in UK in 1967. Rather than leave the matter rest the Conservative Government of Margaret Thatcher in 1988 brought in an ammendment to the 1967 Law - Section 28 which prohibited the "Promotion of Homosexuality" This Law caused many support groups to close or face prosecution leaving a Vaccum for vulnerable people. Besides the Conservative Government those most prominent in the campaign to have the ammendment introduced to restrict peoples access to information were Religious Groups like Salvation Army, Christian Institute, Catholic Church, Muslim Council, Church of England etc They were aided in their campaign by The Daily Mail, The Telegraph and The Sun. The ammendment was repealed in 2003. Perhaps Mrs Patrick Campbell was on the right track when she said almost 100 years ago "Does it really matter what these affectionate people do — so long as they don’t do it in the streets and frighten the horses!" To be fair, no one really gives a fuck. If someone's trans then who really cares. I'm still waiting on Prest to provide some proof as to how and why Rowling is transphobic? Or why stating that a biologically born female is classed as female is transphobic? I'm curious to know why stating the obvious is deemed offensive to some? It was reading JKR's in my opinion well reasoned rational in a quite long and difficult essay of her position and the subsequent venom she received that triggered me to be honest.
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Post by gawa on Jul 3, 2023 13:49:07 GMT
Good to have some proper discussion on this today. Can appreciate views and arguments from both sides.
I think what's important is to avoid using dangerous language which labels people such as transphobic. The same happens with race issues where the racist card is usually pulled put and it just ends any sensible debate or discussion.
Being able to debate the different points without labelling people is important. We don't need to agree or change our minds but at least understanding different perspectives and appreciating their opinions is important.
I can completely understand why some people are uncomfortable with trans using toilets for example as it does open a bit of a loop hole and could allow for non genuine trans people to take advantage of the situation and access toilets with young girls.
And I think it's important for trans people to understand and listen to these arguments because alot of the time people don't necessarily care or are bothered about a genuine trans person. OK it's a bit different and not something I properly understand but it doesn't overly bother me. But surely those genuine trans people can then at least recognise why some women could be concerned because what controls are in place to prevent people exploiting the rules for other reasons?
It's a difficult balancing act but I think these are the conversations which need to happen rather than people throwing out labels in all directions at people they disagree with.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 3, 2023 13:50:13 GMT
You'd have to ask ITV. Why was Brianna Ghey murdered after years of transphobic abuse and gang beatings? I prefer to look at the stats, as I said earlier I'm not here to defend every person who may or may not claim to be trans including the person you're referring to, but to generalise a whole group of people with statements such as "they're now playing the victim card on Twitter" isn't helpful in my opinion.......... EDIT Actually I'll let her explain it herself: Doesn’t really answer it though does it – why if they as a group are the most marginalised in society as is regularly trotted out have ITV been comfortable enough not only to invite someone identifying as a woman but also as a mother to comment on water bills instead of a working mother? In addition they themselves obviously feel safe enough to squirt moob gunk into a baby’s face on public transport and ‘they’ individually are playing the victim card to a certain degree of success on Twitter although the 2023 version of Rosa Parks isn’t getting much traction. Individual cases aren’t much use granted but you basically said things were much simpler when a fictitious character was running a café in Coronation Street and pointed to a single murder that’s still going through the courts. Genuinely absolutely no issue with trans folk until it starts infringing on the rights and protection of women. There’s various concerns around how it can possibly be managed if the need for medical assessment is removed with an example the disproportionate number of trans sexual offenders recorded in prison. That doesn’t mean trans folk are more rapey but instead rapey folk are seeing advantage in a hugely flawed system. Women have also apparently become more likely to commit violent/ sexual crime since blokes have been able to identify as such - are women more violent or are blokes taking the piss? If can't record the data correctly how can it be managed? The bloke playing Isla Fisher has raised a complaint against the prison service for being mis-gendered ffs as a hate crime! Another concern is what happens if/when this turns out to the phase like goths purely as example and numbers starting going downwards again? There’ll be a generation of kids who’ve essentially been medical Guinea pigs especially with de-transition becoming more regular; osteoporosis; menopause being experienced in late twenties, etc. Alternatively, are the numbers going to increase further and we should be looking to understand why and how to manage it better given Cass Report found up to c.80% from memory actually grew out of it - 20% would still represent a large number in a small sub-section. Whole thing is a slow moving car crash for and if there was genuine concern for the community as a whole being kind and shouting ‘transphobe’ isn’t much use – the adults need to re-enter the room. Highlighting a bloke whose social media includes getting a baby to suck his nipples on a bus really isn’t doing the cause a favour regardless if they thought it was inclusive or were using it to divert attention from the water company. I never said things were much simpler I said no one batted an eyelid, and they didn't did they? These concerns for women's rights (which we should all champion) are all very recent. I have a daughter and worry about her safety and wellbeing like any parent would, yourself included. But honestly her getting abused by someone masquerading as a transwoman to gain access to the public toilet she might be frequenting would be fairly low down on my list of priorities. Getting into a relationship with a young lad exposed to misogynistic and violent pornography who treats a woman as a second class citizen, now that terrifies me...........
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Post by foster on Jul 3, 2023 13:50:24 GMT
To be fair, no one really gives a fuck. If someone's trans then who really cares. I'm still waiting on Prest to provide some proof as to how and why Rowling is transphobic? Or why stating that a biologically born female is classed as female is transphobic? I'm curious to know why stating the obvious is deemed offensive to some? I didn't say she is transphobic please don't misquote me. I said she has shared and liked articles/tweets from people who I would absolutely class as transphobic there is a difference and only she would be able to answer those that accuse her directly. She herself has acknowledged this and in a couple of cases apologised by the way, I'll happily send a couple of examples later when I'm at home and not in the office and also when Twitter lets me back on as I appear to have reached my limit for the day despite going on it for about 5 minutes this morning.............. Oh, how convenient Fair play though, you didn't say she was transphobic. Though my other question still stands. Why do some deem it offensive for trans to be compared to naturally born females with vaginas? For context, why would Wannabe be offended by me comparing someone to Gawa?
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Post by wannabee on Jul 3, 2023 14:09:17 GMT
I didn't say she is transphobic please don't misquote me. I said she has shared and liked articles/tweets from people who I would absolutely class as transphobic there is a difference and only she would be able to answer those that accuse her directly. She herself has acknowledged this and in a couple of cases apologised by the way, I'll happily send a couple of examples later when I'm at home and not in the office and also when Twitter lets me back on as I appear to have reached my limit for the day despite going on it for about 5 minutes this morning.............. Oh, how convenient Fair play though, you didn't say she was transphobic. Though my other question still stands. Why do some deem it offensive for trans to be compared to naturally born females with vaginas? For context, why would Wannabe be offended by me comparing someone to Gawa?I wouldn't, I'd consider it an honour .... I might draw the line on other posters mind
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Post by noustie on Jul 3, 2023 15:16:54 GMT
[/quote]I never said things were much simpler I said no one batted an eyelid, and they didn't did they? These concerns for women's rights (which we should all champion) are all very recent.
I have a daughter and worry about her safety and wellbeing like any parent would, yourself included. But honestly her getting abused by someone masquerading as a transwoman to gain access to the public toilet she might be frequenting would be fairly low down on my list of priorities. Getting into a relationship with a young lad exposed to misogynistic and violent pornography who treats a woman as a second class citizen, now that terrifies me...........[/quote]
In fairness ‘nobody batted an eye’ to me saying simpler times isn’t a massive leap of faith and it was both. The Crying Game would be the sum total of most blokes concerns on it would imagine up until relatively recently.
For me unfortunately with my Risk Management background, education and experience I can’t just park it at the door on leaving work. Basic 101 with it getting less effective downwards:
Can the risk be avoided / removed Substituted? Engineered ? Administrative Controls? PPE?
In terms of the wee lass pulling an @rsehole the risk can’t be avoided unless drop her into a nunnery nor substituted by me – possibly engineer it through training/ advice, can’t control administratively and can issue her pepper spray. On a 5x5 – 3 for frequency as blokes are dicks and 2-3 for severity as a punt on average level of dickness. Wee lass can avoid it once she realises though and substitute it for better so risk drops.
Argument sake – run it for gender neutral toilets in a high school. Can’t avoid it nor be removed and can’t be substituted; can’t be engineered unless some remain restricted to biological sex although even then time constraints between lessons?; administrative controls aren’t going to achieve anything except possibly post incident and back to the pepper spray. 1-2 for frequency as going to be less of an issue but teenage lads are randy wee dicks with severity 4-5 as if they’re going to do it they’re not going to try for a kiss on the mouth and a boob squeeze. Given there was a case just last week of a male being arrested accused of assaulting females in a high school neutral bathroom in Essex, and considering the potential age gap in high school too, how does the wee lass reduce the risk herself without having to hold in a shite until she gets home for example?
Separately can see contact sports ending up in the courts and various folk getting sued when girls start getting smashed by biological lads whether on purpose or accidental as no way has it properly been risk assessed/ communicated particularly football up here.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 3, 2023 15:28:46 GMT
I'm sorry but if trans community are the most marginalised why have ITV gone with the above bloke not only cosplaying female but also claiming motherhood to report on water bills when there are 20m+ other mums to choose from? The picture is a bloke having an infant sucking his nipple to get moob gunk out on a bus ffs. It's suitably 2023 that they're now playing the victim card on Twitter and it's transphobes with the issue. Where's the line? You'd have to ask ITV. Why was Brianna Ghey murdered after years of transphobic abuse and gang beatings? I prefer to look at the stats, as I said earlier I'm not here to defend every person who may or may not claim to be trans including the person you're referring to, but to generalise a whole group of people with statements such as "they're now playing the victim card on Twitter" isn't helpful in my opinion.......... EDIT Actually I'll let her explain it herself: “but to generalise a whole group of people” It doesn’t stop posters doing that with the Police though does it ? Aren’t they constantly judged on the basis of isolated incidents involving individuals or is that different? The same could be said of the Tory’s (who I’m no fan of) where they or those that vote for them are described as “scum.” We’re all guilty of it. I guess it’s identifying when “opinion” becomes “phobic.” and judging people as individuals and not a larger group.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 3, 2023 15:40:26 GMT
You'd have to ask ITV. Why was Brianna Ghey murdered after years of transphobic abuse and gang beatings? I prefer to look at the stats, as I said earlier I'm not here to defend every person who may or may not claim to be trans including the person you're referring to, but to generalise a whole group of people with statements such as "they're now playing the victim card on Twitter" isn't helpful in my opinion.......... EDIT Actually I'll let her explain it herself: “but to generalise a whole group of people”
It doesn’t stop posters doing that with the Police though does it ? Aren’t they constantly judged on the basis of isolated incidents involving individuals or is that different? The same could be said of the Tory’s (who I’m no fan of) where they or those that vote for them are described as “scum.” We’re all guilty of it. I guess it’s identifying when “opinion” becomes “phobic.” and judging people as individuals and not a larger group. The Met police have been deemed "institutionally racist" the very definition of that suggests they aren't actually judged on isolated incidents more prejudicial policies and practices throughout the organisation. So no not the same in your analogy I would suggest........
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 3, 2023 15:51:14 GMT
“but to generalise a whole group of people”
It doesn’t stop posters doing that with the Police though does it ? Aren’t they constantly judged on the basis of isolated incidents involving individuals or is that different? The same could be said of the Tory’s (who I’m no fan of) where they or those that vote for them are described as “scum.” We’re all guilty of it. I guess it’s identifying when “opinion” becomes “phobic.” and judging people as individuals and not a larger group. The Met police have been deemed "institutionally racist" the very definition of that suggests they aren't actually judged on isolated incidents more prejudicial policies and practices throughout the organisation. So not not the same in your analogy........ I’d say it’s very relevant to the 1000s of officers being judged unfairly and wanting to change things for the positive. As you say re trans it’s not about defending them all. It’s the same with police. So what you’re saying is judge the group not the individual? Ultimately you could bring out many stories to prove a point against any group. The police are quite rightly under more scrutiny.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 3, 2023 15:56:33 GMT
The Met police have been deemed "institutionally racist" the very definition of that suggests they aren't actually judged on isolated incidents more prejudicial policies and practices throughout the organisation. So not not the same in your analogy........ I’d say it’s very relevant to the 1000s of officers being judged unfairly and wanting to change things for the positive. As you say re trans it’s not about defending them all. It’s the same with police. So what you’re saying is judge the group not the individual? I'm not sure what shoehorning your totally blinkered defence of the Met police has anything to do with this thread if I'm honest?
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Post by wannabee on Jul 3, 2023 16:01:13 GMT
The Met police have been deemed "institutionally racist" the very definition of that suggests they aren't actually judged on isolated incidents more prejudicial policies and practices throughout the organisation. So not not the same in your analogy........ Prestwick has already explained why you have used a False Equivalence What I'd be interested to know is why every Thread you comment upon from "France" to "What is a Women" you try and turn the conversation towards a defense of the Met Police when there is a perfect adequate Thread on that very subject. It seems obsessional
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Post by foster on Jul 3, 2023 16:20:42 GMT
“but to generalise a whole group of people”
It doesn’t stop posters doing that with the Police though does it ? Aren’t they constantly judged on the basis of isolated incidents involving individuals or is that different? The same could be said of the Tory’s (who I’m no fan of) where they or those that vote for them are described as “scum.” We’re all guilty of it. I guess it’s identifying when “opinion” becomes “phobic.” and judging people as individuals and not a larger group. The Met police have been deemed "institutionally racist" the very definition of that suggests they aren't actually judged on isolated incidents more prejudicial policies and practices throughout the organisation. So no not the same in your analogy I would suggest........ Have they? Where? The last two reports that Wannabe misquoted in the police thread didn't use the word 'Institutionally', so they haven't been deemed that. It was the ex boss in Scotland looking for some attention who used that word and its hardly conclusive coming from him. Feel free to go and do some actual research though and share something official. I mean, we could all just throw random statements out there without any facts to substantiate them, but that's not really the best way to go about things.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 3, 2023 16:28:05 GMT
The Met police have been deemed "institutionally racist" the very definition of that suggests they aren't actually judged on isolated incidents more prejudicial policies and practices throughout the organisation. So no not the same in your analogy I would suggest........ Have they? Where? The last two reports that Wannabe misquoted in the police thread didn't use the word 'Institutionally', so they haven't been deemed that. It was the ex boss in Scotland looking for some attention who used that word and its hardly conclusive coming from him. Feel free to go and do some actual research though and share something official. I mean, we could all just throw random statements out there without any facts to substantiate them, but that's not really the best way to go about things. You should know by now it’s the MO of the woke lefties to quote random geezers as officially gospel
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Post by foster on Jul 3, 2023 16:32:46 GMT
Have they? Where? The last two reports that Wannabe misquoted in the police thread didn't use the word 'Institutionally', so they haven't been deemed that. It was the ex boss in Scotland looking for some attention who used that word and its hardly conclusive coming from him. Feel free to go and do some actual research though and share something official. I mean, we could all just throw random statements out there without any facts to substantiate them, but that's not really the best way to go about things. You should know by now it’s the MO of the woke lefties to quote random geezers as officially gospel Funny thing that Wannabe above accuses Cobs of shoehorning another topic in here, when a few posts earlier he asks me about something I posted in the 'France' thread. Couldn't make this shit up. The hypocrisy is unparalleled.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 3, 2023 16:37:47 GMT
You should know by now it’s the MO of the woke lefties to quote random geezers as officially gospel Funny thing that Wannabe above accuses Cobs of shoehorning another topic in here, when a few posts earlier he asks me about something I posted in the 'France' thread. Couldn't make this shit up. The hypocrisy is unparalleled. Do as they say not as they do
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Post by wannabee on Jul 3, 2023 17:25:29 GMT
The Met police have been deemed "institutionally racist" the very definition of that suggests they aren't actually judged on isolated incidents more prejudicial policies and practices throughout the organisation. So no not the same in your analogy I would suggest........ Have they? Where? The last two reports that Wannabe misquoted in the police thread didn't use the word 'Institutionally' , so they haven't been deemed that. It was the ex boss in Scotland looking for some attention who used that word and its hardly conclusive coming from him. Feel free to go and do some actual research though and share something official. I mean, we could all just throw random statements out there without any facts to substantiate them, but that's not really the best way to go about things. If you want to make incorrect claims about a post I made on another thread it would better if you did it there I will then be able to fully address your errors
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Post by wannabee on Jul 3, 2023 17:28:19 GMT
You should know by now it’s the MO of the woke lefties to quote random geezers as officially gospel Funny thing that Wannabe above accuses Cobs of shoehorning another topic in here, when a few posts earlier he asks me about something I posted in the 'France' thread. Couldn't make this shit up. The hypocrisy is unparalleled. I addressed your post in this thread in the normal way In Lower Case as you had mentioned proof I asked if you had any as requested for your false claims
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 3, 2023 18:03:05 GMT
You should all know by now it's Chatham House rules on this forum.
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Post by gawa on Jul 3, 2023 18:13:31 GMT
You should all know by now it's Chatham House rules on this forum. Surely as someone who identifies as some old fellas knees, you must be a bit more compassionate and understanding than most?
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Post by wannabee on Jul 3, 2023 18:13:42 GMT
You should all know by now it's Chatham House Rule(s) on this forum. As under this Rule the source can't be revealed did they once open for A Band that can't be named?
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Post by gawa on Jul 3, 2023 18:16:04 GMT
ian get back in here. You forgot to like my post mate.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 3, 2023 18:16:05 GMT
You should all know by now it's Chatham House rules on this forum. Surely as someone who identifies as some old fellas knees, you must be a bit more compassionate and understanding than most? I'm afraid my empathy gland was removed after 10 years working in the 'third' sector.
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Post by gawa on Jul 3, 2023 18:17:01 GMT
Surely as someone who identifies as some old fellas knees, you must be a bit more compassionate and understanding than most? I'm afraid my empathy gland was removed after 10 years working in the 'third' sector. Over me head. What's the third sector lol
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 3, 2023 18:28:34 GMT
The Met police have been deemed "institutionally racist" the very definition of that suggests they aren't actually judged on isolated incidents more prejudicial policies and practices throughout the organisation. So no not the same in your analogy I would suggest........ Have they? Where? The last two reports that Wannabe misquoted in the police thread didn't use the word 'Institutionally', so they haven't been deemed that. It was the ex boss in Scotland looking for some attention who used that word and its hardly conclusive coming from him. Feel free to go and do some actual research though and share something official. I mean, we could all just throw random statements out there without any facts to substantiate them, but that's not really the best way to go about things. What’s wannabe’s posts got to do with mine you’ve lost me? Baroness Casey is an ex-Scottish member of the police force then? Ironically considering the topic she was criticised for not including transphobia in her report…….
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 3, 2023 18:30:02 GMT
I'm afraid my empathy gland was removed after 10 years working in the 'third' sector. Over me head. What's the third sector lol Badger baiting
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