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Post by Waggy on Sept 2, 2022 20:59:52 GMT
A person with a vagina. End of. There are women and there are men. No more. I salute you J K Rowling
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 2, 2022 21:24:44 GMT
You can only be one of 2 things at birth. Male or female.
No where do they say in a hospital delivery room "congratulations you've got a bouncing baby toaster"
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Post by redstriper on Sept 2, 2022 21:29:52 GMT
A person with a vagina. End of. There are women and there are men. No more. I salute you J K Rowling I think its a cervix that's the key... other bits can be manufactured.
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Post by teenagefanclub on Sept 2, 2022 21:57:28 GMT
Can’t post videos but there are some good ones with Jordan Peterson (canadian psychologist) where he is asked this question.
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Post by musik on Sept 2, 2022 22:15:07 GMT
When you think of differences between genders, between criminals and not, between age groups, between different sexual preferences, between anything you'd want to separate to see if there are any differences at all ...
there is always one object you should examine.
The brain.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Sept 3, 2022 0:09:02 GMT
Depends what you're talking about.
Assigned sex at birth (i.e. biological sex) can only be male or female.
However, gender identity, as I understand it, is different. Whilst the vast majority of people are cisgender, other categories are possible and do exist, e.g. transgender, non-binary etc.
I don't profess to know anything about what it's like to be transgender or non-binary, so you just have to be empathetic and trusting of their experiences.
Whether you choose to call them or see them as women is up to you, but I don't see what you'd have to gain by not doing so if that's what they identify as and prefer. What does it matter?
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Post by wannabee on Sept 3, 2022 0:56:17 GMT
On this subject I find it difficult to understand why people who are comfortable in their own Gender are so vehemently opposed to others making a choice that is compatible with their persona and mental wellbeing Why would it concern them.
If there are such people on this MB I would be genuinely interested in why they would feel threatened by others choices
You can probably interpret by the way I have posed this question is that I think the only reason for such thinking is that those who think this way are in someway conflicted in their own Gender Identity I would be interested to hear alternative opinions
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2022 1:10:38 GMT
On this subject I find it difficult to understand why people who are comfortable in their own Gender are so vehemently opposed to others making a choice that is compatible with their persona and mental wellbeing Why would it concern them. If there are such people on this MB I would be genuinely interested in why they would feel threatened by others choices You can probably interpret by the way I have posed this question is that I think the only reason for such thinking is that those who think this way are in someway conflicted in their own Gender Identity I would be interested to hear alternative opinions Are they opposed or just pointing out scientific facts you can label yourself what you want and way too many do these days but it doesn't change things.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Sept 3, 2022 1:25:04 GMT
On this subject I find it difficult to understand why people who are comfortable in their own Gender are so vehemently opposed to others making a choice that is compatible with their persona and mental wellbeing Why would it concern them. If there are such people on this MB I would be genuinely interested in why they would feel threatened by others choices You can probably interpret by the way I have posed this question is that I think the only reason for such thinking is that those who think this way are in someway conflicted in their own Gender Identity I would be interested to hear alternative opinions Are they opposed or just pointing out scientific facts you can label yourself what you want and way too many do these days but it doesn't change things. But what does anyone have to gain by taking that stance towards someone who is transgender? It just seems a bit mean spirited and callous to me, regardless of what your views are on their biological sex. I don't know any, but if I did then I'd gladly refer to them as the gender they wish to identify as now. What does it matter?
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Post by turtlefox on Sept 3, 2022 2:09:48 GMT
Biological sex can't be changed. When the mechanics work, Men produce sperm, Women produce eggs. The yin and yang of life.
Gender is how Men and Women feel about their given roles in life. Some are fine with the analysis, some are not. Some are wrongly diagnosed at birth which was more common in yesteryear than now. All are fine if the person in question feels that they are not the person that they have been attributed to.
My question is, how does anyone know what a Man or a Women feels like ?
Nobody can say for certain what another person, sex or gender feels or thinks. Everyone is different. Anyone who states what a Women or a Man is turns gender into a stereotype of what they think each gender should be.
Shouldn't the question with gender be, there is no question. I'm a women or I'm a Man but I'm going to redefine what a Man or a Women can be.
That, to me makes more sense than the presumption of what a Women or a Man is because who can really say what a Man or a Women is, apart from the sex organs.
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Post by rivival on Sept 3, 2022 3:03:55 GMT
I can never be a cat because I have no concept of what a cat should be and how it should act.
For me a woman has no concept of what a man is supposed to be just as a man has no idea what goes on inside a womans brain or indeed replicate the bond between a mother and her child. Or the language of trust and respect between a Father and Son. In short a woman or a man would have to have a brain pattern transplant as well just to understand the offside law.
So to claim that you are a man or a woman just because you think you are is ridiculous and only serves to confirm that you are not happy with what you were born to be. It's like me claiming to have the body of a God ,just because I look like Buddha.
Surgically altering your bits is only a cosmetic disguise. Remember viagra won't make you James Bond, but it may make you Roger Moore.
Anyway I used to be schizophrenic but we're better now .
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 3, 2022 6:07:10 GMT
I don't get why you'd want to be one with the amount of moaning about it they do.
They don't even get to retire early anymore.
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Post by hotterpotter on Sept 3, 2022 6:40:04 GMT
You can only be one of 2 things at birth. Male or female. No where do they say in a hospital delivery room "congratulations you've got a bouncing baby toaster" In the Red Dwarf delivery suite?
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Post by hoffgreen on Sept 3, 2022 7:05:23 GMT
There's a man and a woman and then there's the mentally ill.
Next question.
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Post by swampmongrel on Sept 3, 2022 7:25:20 GMT
On this subject I find it difficult to understand why people who are comfortable in their own Gender are so vehemently opposed to others making a choice that is compatible with their persona and mental wellbeing Why would it concern them. If there are such people on this MB I would be genuinely interested in why they would feel threatened by others choices You can probably interpret by the way I have posed this question is that I think the only reason for such thinking is that those who think this way are in someway conflicted in their own Gender Identity I would be interested to hear alternative opinions I’m not sure many are vehemently opposed to fluid gender identity. The problem arises where we have spaces and services that are segregated by biological sex. There’s usually a very good reason for this. I would not, for example, be happy with a teenage biological male sharing a changing room with my teenage daughter. Similar goes for competitive sport. Beyond those few exceptions I’m perfectly happy with people identifying as any gender they choose.
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 3, 2022 8:03:09 GMT
On this subject I find it difficult to understand why people who are comfortable in their own Gender are so vehemently opposed to others making a choice that is compatible with their persona and mental wellbeing Why would it concern them. If there are such people on this MB I would be genuinely interested in why they would feel threatened by others choices You can probably interpret by the way I have posed this question is that I think the only reason for such thinking is that those who think this way are in someway conflicted in their own Gender Identity I would be interested to hear alternative opinions It's because there is no such thing as gender identity. You can't identify as a man and you can't identify as a woman , you're either a man or a women . That being said if an adult wants to play games and pretend it's something that it isn't then that's fine. A male adult can pretend it's a female and vice versa if it wants to . An adult male can pretend it's a penguin or a tree or anything that it wants to and that's no one else's business . That's the key though, it's no one else's business which means there is no need to keep banging on about it all the time. A man that wants to be a woman can play dress up all he wants and can call himself a 'she' and a 'her' till the cows come home but he's still a bloke. The issue is when other people try and force other people to play along in their little fantasy and the bigger issue is when it's been taught to kids . I find it baffling that this is even a question or a debate, it just shows how woke and backward modern society has become. The bottom line is live and let live, do what you want but don't expect other people to join in and leave the kids alone
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Post by thevoid on Sept 3, 2022 8:30:14 GMT
Are they opposed or just pointing out scientific facts you can label yourself what you want and way too many do these days but it doesn't change things. But what does anyone have to gain by taking that stance towards someone who is transgender? It just seems a bit mean spirited and callous to me, regardless of what your views are on their biological sex. I don't know any, but if I did then I'd gladly refer to them as the gender they wish to identify as now. What does it matter? I understand transgenderism and that people can be born in the wrong body. But even then they're transitioning from M to F or vice versa and at some point are one of the TWO genders. It's the whole gender neutral, individual people being referred to as they/them I don't get. People called Gregor with a beard insisting that they're not a he and trying to get people sacked for calling them such. There was a tweet on here the other day where someone was being referred to as ey/eir (without 'th'). It's bizarre.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Sept 3, 2022 8:45:52 GMT
There's a man and a woman and then there's the mentally ill. Next question. Thank you doctor.
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 3, 2022 8:46:53 GMT
There's a man and a woman and then there's the mentally ill. Next question. Correct
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 3, 2022 8:52:42 GMT
On this subject I find it difficult to understand why people who are comfortable in their own Gender are so vehemently opposed to others making a choice that is compatible with their persona and mental wellbeing Why would it concern them. If there are such people on this MB I would be genuinely interested in why they would feel threatened by others choices You can probably interpret by the way I have posed this question is that I think the only reason for such thinking is that those who think this way are in someway conflicted in their own Gender Identity I would be interested to hear alternative opinions It's because there is no such thing as gender identity. You can't identify as a man and you can't identify as a woman , you're either a man or a women . That being said if an adult wants to play games and pretend it's something that it isn't then that's fine. A male adult can pretend it's a female and vice versa if it wants to . An adult male can pretend it's a penguin or a tree or anything that it wants to and that's no one else's business . That's the key though, it's no one else's business which means there is no need to keep banging on about it all the time. A man that wants to be a woman can play dress up all he wants and can call himself a 'she' and a 'her' till the cows come home but he's still a bloke. The issue is when other people try and force other people to play along in their little fantasy and the bigger issue is when it's been taught to kids . I find it baffling that this is even a question or a debate, it just shows how woke and backward modern society has become. The bottom line is live and let live, do what you want but don't expect other people to join in and leave the kids alone 'Cosplay' the youth call it don't they?
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 3, 2022 9:04:15 GMT
It's because there is no such thing as gender identity. You can't identify as a man and you can't identify as a woman , you're either a man or a women . That being said if an adult wants to play games and pretend it's something that it isn't then that's fine. A male adult can pretend it's a female and vice versa if it wants to . An adult male can pretend it's a penguin or a tree or anything that it wants to and that's no one else's business . That's the key though, it's no one else's business which means there is no need to keep banging on about it all the time. A man that wants to be a woman can play dress up all he wants and can call himself a 'she' and a 'her' till the cows come home but he's still a bloke. The issue is when other people try and force other people to play along in their little fantasy and the bigger issue is when it's been taught to kids . I find it baffling that this is even a question or a debate, it just shows how woke and backward modern society has become. The bottom line is live and let live, do what you want but don't expect other people to join in and leave the kids alone 'Cosplay' the youth call it don't they? Fuck knows , let them crack on , but others shouldn't be forced to play along . It causes 'transphobia' where there probably wouldn't of been any before.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Sept 3, 2022 9:10:29 GMT
On this subject I find it difficult to understand why people who are comfortable in their own Gender are so vehemently opposed to others making a choice that is compatible with their persona and mental wellbeing Why would it concern them. If there are such people on this MB I would be genuinely interested in why they would feel threatened by others choices You can probably interpret by the way I have posed this question is that I think the only reason for such thinking is that those who think this way are in someway conflicted in their own Gender Identity I would be interested to hear alternative opinions It's because there is no such thing as gender identity. You can't identify as a man and you can't identify as a woman , you're either a man or a women . That being said if an adult wants to play games and pretend it's something that it isn't then that's fine. A male adult can pretend it's a female and vice versa if it wants to . An adult male can pretend it's a penguin or a tree or anything that it wants to and that's no one else's business . That's the key though, it's no one else's business which means there is no need to keep banging on about it all the time. A man that wants to be a woman can play dress up all he wants and can call himself a 'she' and a 'her' till the cows come home but he's still a bloke. The issue is when other people try and force other people to play along in their little fantasy and the bigger issue is when it's been taught to kids . I find it baffling that this is even a question or a debate, it just shows how woke and backward modern society has become. The bottom line is live and let live, do what you want but don't expect other people to join in and leave the kids alone I believe they said the same thing about homosexuality once.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Sept 3, 2022 9:12:02 GMT
'Cosplay' the youth call it don't they? Fuck knows , let them crack on , but others shouldn't be forced to play along . It causes 'transphobia' where there probably wouldn't of been any before. Who's forcing you (or people) to do anything?
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 3, 2022 9:20:51 GMT
It's because there is no such thing as gender identity. You can't identify as a man and you can't identify as a woman , you're either a man or a women . That being said if an adult wants to play games and pretend it's something that it isn't then that's fine. A male adult can pretend it's a female and vice versa if it wants to . An adult male can pretend it's a penguin or a tree or anything that it wants to and that's no one else's business . That's the key though, it's no one else's business which means there is no need to keep banging on about it all the time. A man that wants to be a woman can play dress up all he wants and can call himself a 'she' and a 'her' till the cows come home but he's still a bloke. The issue is when other people try and force other people to play along in their little fantasy and the bigger issue is when it's been taught to kids . I find it baffling that this is even a question or a debate, it just shows how woke and backward modern society has become. The bottom line is live and let live, do what you want but don't expect other people to join in and leave the kids alone I believe they said the same thing about homosexuality once. Did they . I didn't
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 3, 2022 9:21:20 GMT
Fuck knows , let them crack on , but others shouldn't be forced to play along . It causes 'transphobia' where there probably wouldn't of been any before. Who's forcing you (or people) to do anything? No one , but they're trying, and that's the issue
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Post by andystokey on Sept 3, 2022 9:25:00 GMT
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Post by musik on Sept 3, 2022 9:37:08 GMT
My question is, how does anyone know what a Man or a Women feels like ? Good question! 🤠 To some extent the answer lies in the answer to this question: Are you attracted to women or men?
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Post by hoffgreen on Sept 3, 2022 9:39:36 GMT
There's a man and a woman and then there's the mentally ill. Next question. Thank you doctor. It's called nature Einstein.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Sept 3, 2022 9:40:03 GMT
Who's forcing you (or people) to do anything? No one , but they're trying, and that's the issue What are they trying to force you to do?
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 3, 2022 9:40:58 GMT
No one , but they're trying, and that's the issue What are they trying to force you to do? Re read my post mate
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