|
Post by cymap on May 11, 2023 11:20:43 GMT
The potential disaster was constantly filling the team with loanees over the last 2 yrs. We ended up with so many loanees playing in the team that some had to sit it out even though playing well because of league rules.
|
|
|
Post by spiderpuss on May 11, 2023 11:23:25 GMT
It was always a lie FM. He had no intention of joining us else the deal would have been done and the manager's words about meeting players and hoping to convince them to look at the bigger picture I think is starting to look a bit haunting already. At this juncture, I'd put some money on none of the loanees coming back, even Pearson. What a potential disaster. The only 3 I can see joining are Sarkic, Tuanzebe and Pearson. So that's in effect one then.
|
|
|
Post by peterthornesboots on May 11, 2023 11:29:16 GMT
The slide from April likely killed our chances at keeping a good few of the loanees - Sterling and Hoever came to mind immediately. If we’re narrowly missing out on the play offs and there’s optimism then fair enough, but 2 points from 21 and booed off at a half empty stadium to end the season etc….the loanees will be thinking “I don’t need this”. Absolutely. The posters on here claiming they were nothing more than dead rubbers before 'the great reset' couldn't have been more wrong. Those games mattered and it was up to Neil as manager to get that fact across to the players he had managed for virtually an entire season. Neil failed in doing that and all his words during interviews were useless. If I was a loanee with a potentially significant career arc in front of me I'm pretty sure Stoke City wouldn't be an attractive option. It is not just the loanees, it is any potential signing. If we had ended the season with a good run of results and on an upward trajectory, we would be a far more interesting prospect. Instead, we won one in our last ten (I think) and finished on the same points total as relegation doomed Huddersfield. I do wonder what the appeal of Stoke City is anymore to players.
|
|
|
Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 11, 2023 11:31:57 GMT
The only 3 I can see joining are Sarkic, Tuanzebe and Pearson. So that's in effect one then. Do we not think the whole 'Sarkic is a crock' thing is overstated a bit? He's had two different, entirely unrelated injuries that could happen to any player.
|
|
|
Post by FullerMagic on May 11, 2023 11:34:04 GMT
So much for not making up his mind until after his holidays! So, of the Watford XI, we've apparently said goodbye to Fox, Jagielka, Sterling, Powell and Smallpiece - with Sarkic and Pearson up in the air, and Tymon and Thompson probably not in our plans It was always a lie FM. He had no intention of joining us else the deal would have been done and the manager's words about meeting players and hoping to convince them to look at the bigger picture I think is starting to look a bit haunting already. At this juncture, I'd put some money on none of the loanees coming back, even Pearson. What a potential disaster. Certainly looks a different picture than it did after that Cov win - and that was only about 5 weeks ago! I don't know how worried to be about the Barnes-Norwich move. As you say, geographically we're perfect for him. And Norwich looks to be an absolute skip fire at the moment. Their fans were calling for Wagner and Webber to be sacked on the last day of the season, and the way their fans are talking about the state of their club, with reduced spending on the way, could be us at any point in the last 3 or 4 years. It'd be interesting to know what kind of wages they are offering and whether the reduced parachute money means they're still able to completely blow us out of the water this summer. In which case, maybe fair enough.
|
|
|
Post by spiderpuss on May 11, 2023 11:36:10 GMT
So that's in effect one then. Do we not think the whole 'Sarkic is a crock' thing is overstated a bit? He's had two different, entirely unrelated injuries that could happen to any player. Overstated maybe, should we go near either of our treatment table loanees? Probably not all things considered.
|
|
|
Post by iglugluk on May 11, 2023 11:38:45 GMT
Absolutely. The posters on here claiming they were nothing more than dead rubbers before 'the great reset' couldn't have been more wrong. Those games mattered and it was up to Neil as manager to get that fact across to the players he had managed for virtually an entire season. Neil failed in doing that and all his words during interviews were useless. If I was a loanee with a potentially significant career arc in front of me I'm pretty sure Stoke City wouldn't be an attractive option. It is not just the loanees, it is any potential signing. If we had ended the season with a good run of results and on an upward trajectory, we would be a far more interesting prospect. Instead, we won one in our last ten (I think) and finished on the same points total as relegation doomed Huddersfield. I do wonder what the appeal of Stoke City is anymore to players. Absolutely.. Neil fucked it up. The owners should be able to see that.
|
|
|
Post by theonlooker on May 11, 2023 11:38:46 GMT
It was always a lie FM. He had no intention of joining us else the deal would have been done and the manager's words about meeting players and hoping to convince them to look at the bigger picture I think is starting to look a bit haunting already. At this juncture, I'd put some money on none of the loanees coming back, even Pearson. What a potential disaster. Certainly looks a different picture than it did after that Cov win - and that was only about 5 weeks ago! I don't know how worried to be about the Barnes-Norwich move. As you say, geographically we're perfect for him. And Norwich looks to be an absolute skip fire at the moment. Their fans were calling for Wagner and Webber to be sacked on the last day of the season, and the way their fans are talking about the state of their club, with reduced spending on the way, could be us at any point in the last 3 or 4 years. It'd be interesting to know what kind of wages they are offering and whether the reduced parachute money means they're still able to completely blow us out of the water this summer. In which case, maybe fair enough. Barnes as an entity I'm not bothered about losing. Think we need younger, fitter and hungrier. Accept the argument about needing experienced cover in the squad to a point, but don't entirely agree. The Championship is a young man's game these days. The worry though is IF (big if) the club really wanted him and was a big part of their plans going forward. We've either lost out to money or for footballing reasons, and that is a huge worry given the sheer number of players we need IMO. Think we'll have a better picture of where we stand come mid June time, although as you've probably worked out by now, my chin is very much on the floor at the moment with this club.
|
|
|
Post by crouchpotato1 on May 11, 2023 11:39:15 GMT
Would of liked Sterling here but not to be but the only consolation is he isn’t going to a rival. Also I don’t think our form since Coventry will have helped in his decision although I’d imagine the lure of European football could have made his mind up
|
|
|
Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 11, 2023 11:39:20 GMT
I think you can only play on the whole "PL Club in waiting" thing so much before it starts to wear thin. Given how many players we need, the finishing position of the club this year, the complete inertia at the club since relegation and how generally rudderless we look I think we've probably reached that point now. The club is essentially where it was 20 years ago except with a nice training ground. Until they can spend the money they'd like to without fear of reprisal (which isn't going to happen, even if they change up the rules to harmonise with UEFA's turnover based FFP) it doesn't even matter that they have it beyond existential peace of mind.
I cannot logically give any reason as to why any of the loan players should stay given their options elsewhere.
|
|
|
Post by cvillestokie on May 11, 2023 11:40:04 GMT
So that's in effect one then. Do we not think the whole 'Sarkic is a crock' thing is overstated a bit? He's had two different, entirely unrelated injuries that could happen to any player. It might be. However, they’ve happened back to back in the last two seasons. He’s 25 and not exactly experienced either.
|
|
|
Post by wrexhamstokie90 on May 11, 2023 11:44:42 GMT
We are letting rangers have him so we can get davies from them he’s not wanted there
|
|
|
Post by peterthornesboots on May 11, 2023 11:49:29 GMT
I think you can only play on the whole "PL Club in waiting" thing so much before it starts to wear thin. Given how many players we need, the finishing position of the club this year, the complete inertia at the club since relegation and how generally rudderless we look I think we've probably reached that point now. The club is essentially where it was 20 years ago except with a nice training ground. Until they can spend the money they'd like to without fear of reprisal (which isn't going to happen, even if they change up the rules to harmonise with UEFA's turnover based FFP) it doesn't even matter that they have it beyond existential peace of mind. I cannot logically give any reason as to why any of the loan players should stay given their options elsewhere. This. Five bottom half finishes (all either 14th, 15th or 16th) on the bounce makes it explicitly clear about where we are as a club. We are a bottom half Championship club.
|
|
|
Post by FullerMagic on May 11, 2023 11:49:46 GMT
Another Chelsea writer going with the Rangers story
|
|
|
Post by shrewspotter on May 11, 2023 11:51:54 GMT
Another Chelsea writer going with the Rangers story right back for Rangers is James Tavernier, who gas ridiculous stats for a RB, 31 now but he will take some shifting
|
|
|
Post by theonlooker on May 11, 2023 11:57:18 GMT
Wonder who the plan B is then? Reintegration of Tom Edwards or Darnell Fisher?
|
|
|
Post by gingerninja on May 11, 2023 11:59:47 GMT
Perhaps his recruitment for the summer is all his Preston trusted player's 😉
|
|
|
Post by LGH87 on May 11, 2023 12:00:14 GMT
Wonder who the plan B is then? Reintegration of Tom Edwards or Darnell Fisher? Hoever on loan again, with Edwards as back up would be my guess.
|
|
|
Post by flea79 on May 11, 2023 12:05:02 GMT
Wonder who the plan B is then? Reintegration of Tom Edwards or Darnell Fisher? If Edwards has grown up a bit he could be like a new signing for us
|
|
|
Post by cvillestokie on May 11, 2023 12:05:41 GMT
Wonder who the plan B is then? Reintegration of Tom Edwards or Darnell Fisher? Edwards had a “serious knee injury in January and his loan was cut short”, according to his wiki. If he is to play a part next year, you’d hope we bring in a right back who hasn’t been out for half a season as well.
|
|
|
Post by crowey on May 11, 2023 12:22:04 GMT
Another Chelsea writer going with the Rangers story right back for Rangers is James Tavernier, who gas ridiculous stats for a RB, 31 now but he will take some shifting …. oh, and are they going to pay him more money than us? Doubt it. But of course the fabled CL football. Do they even let in two teams from Scotland? No idea
|
|
|
Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 11, 2023 12:30:27 GMT
Do we not think the whole 'Sarkic is a crock' thing is overstated a bit? He's had two different, entirely unrelated injuries that could happen to any player. Overstated maybe, should we go near either of our treatment table loanees? Probably not all things considered. I don’t see why we shouldn’t go for Sarkic? Then again, it’s clearly hysteria season if people are talking about ‘potential disasters’ in fucking May…
|
|
|
Post by prestwichpotter on May 11, 2023 12:34:01 GMT
Wonder who the plan B is then? Reintegration of Tom Edwards or Darnell Fisher? Brooke Norton-Cuffy.
|
|
|
Post by knype on May 11, 2023 12:35:20 GMT
Wonder who the plan B is then? Reintegration of Tom Edwards or Darnell Fisher? Brooke Norton-Cuffy. I'd love that!
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 12:41:12 GMT
I might be the only one but my enthusiasm for Sterling waned as the season wore on. He's very solid defensively but I don't think he offers much going forward.
|
|
|
Post by shrewspotter on May 11, 2023 12:45:59 GMT
right back for Rangers is James Tavernier, who gas ridiculous stats for a RB, 31 now but he will take some shifting …. oh, and are they going to pay him more money than us? Doubt it. But of course the fabled CL football. Do they even let in two teams from Scotland? No idea Always makes me laugh that about CL football, both Rangers and Celtic barely get past August in this competition let alone the group stages
|
|
|
Post by lordb on May 11, 2023 12:49:22 GMT
Do we not think the whole 'Sarkic is a crock' thing is overstated a bit? He's had two different, entirely unrelated injuries that could happen to any player. Overstated maybe, should we go near either of our treatment table loanees? Probably not all things considered. Tuanzebe strong argument to say no Sarkic unless there are more injuries that i don't know about disagree, don't see the issue
|
|
|
Post by LGH87 on May 11, 2023 12:51:10 GMT
I might be the only one but my enthusiasm for Sterling waned as the season wore on. He's very solid defensively but I don't think he offers much going forward. My exact thoughts mate.
|
|
|
Post by crowey on May 11, 2023 12:52:08 GMT
…. oh, and are they going to pay him more money than us? Doubt it. But of course the fabled CL football. Do they even let in two teams from Scotland? No idea Always makes me laugh that about CL football, both Rangers and Celtic barely get past August in this competition let alone the group stages … I predict Rangers will be knocked out by Cluj from Romania. Wonder what Denise’s odds are for that? Maybe I’ll put a tenner on (AUS $)
|
|
|
Post by cvillestokie on May 11, 2023 13:02:57 GMT
…. oh, and are they going to pay him more money than us? Doubt it. But of course the fabled CL football. Do they even let in two teams from Scotland? No idea Always makes me laugh that about CL football, both Rangers and Celtic barely get past August in this competition let alone the group stages At the same time, would you rather have a title on your cv than a lower end table Championship finish? Would you not prefer the opportunity to play (and lose to) a stronger European team than Millwall?
|
|