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Post by brizzlestokie on Aug 21, 2022 18:41:45 GMT
Is it laziness? Incompetence? A reluctance to sack managers who they get on well with?
The only manager in recent times that it didn't feel like they took too long to get rid of was Rowett, who for me was probably the least likeable of the managers we've had in recent times.
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Post by stokesupporter on Aug 21, 2022 18:48:35 GMT
Agree. Mon has reached the point of no return so they should act asap on this.
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Post by brizzlestokie on Aug 21, 2022 18:52:02 GMT
Agree. Mon has reached the point of no return so they should act asap on this. I agree, sadly. Still not sure exactly what happened - he started off so well and everything he said and did made perfect sense the season he came in. But it's gone completely off the rails, is only getting worse, and he's gotten to the point where nothing he says or does makes any sense anymore. Could genuinely go down this season if we don't make a change. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 21, 2022 19:52:45 GMT
Is it laziness? Incompetence? A reluctance to sack managers who they get on well with? The only manager in recent times that it didn't feel like they took too long to get rid of was Rowett, who for me was probably the least likeable of the managers we've had in recent times. They do like far too cosy a relationship with managers. Must make life impossible when they should be holding their feet to the fire. |
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Post by st3mark on Aug 21, 2022 20:13:19 GMT
Is it laziness? Incompetence? A reluctance to sack managers who they get on well with? The only manager in recent times that it didn't feel like they took too long to get rid of was Rowett, who for me was probably the least likeable of the managers we've had in recent times. If you owned a football club that is on the brink financially and you had a manager that improved you in his first season with a squad that was bottom of the league when he took over and then over the course of the next season made you a net profit whilst keeping you safe from relegation, and following that accepted a transfer budget of £0 this summer and with it was able to bring in players like Gayle, Delap, Smallbone and Fosu to give you a fairly decent chance of doing well over the 46 games - wouldn't you be an absolute moron to sack him? I think our owners don't want to sack him because they know football. For me, if he isn't top 6 at Xmas then I'll reassess. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2022 20:26:01 GMT
Amazingly they own a business where prices ( odds ) are constantly changing literally every few seconds.
They have computer algorithms running their business because they don't trust people to be able to react fast enough to every single bit of information, relevant in anyway whatsoever to their business
Computers scan for every bit of relevant information that can or could possibly affect them and adjust to it instantly.
They are constantly getting IT advice on how to update their hardware and software to react faster and faster and faster.
And yet when it comes to football, they are the anti-bet365 , everything is let's let's sleep on it, let's leave it for another day, let's see what happens next match , next month, next season! Let's put the kettle on and have another cup of tea
It's all very bizarre , very schizophrenic.
Very one flew over the cuckoo's nest
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Post by st3mark on Aug 21, 2022 20:28:32 GMT
Amazingly they own a business where prices ( odds ) are constantly changing literally every few seconds. They have computer algorithms running their business because they don't trust people to be able to react fast enough to every single bit of information, relevant in anyway whatsoever to their business Computers scan for every bit of relevant information that can or could possibly affect them and adjust to it instantly. They are constantly getting IT advice on how to update their hardware and software to react faster and faster and faster. And yet when it comes to football, they are the anti-bet365 , everything is let's let's sleep on it, let's leave it for another day, let's see what happens next match , next month, next season! Let's put the kettle on and have another cup of tea It's all very bizarre , very schizophrenic. Very one flew over the cuckoo's nest There is definitely a different approach. But then one business is a betting company and one is a football club. |
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Post by stokieinlondon on Aug 21, 2022 20:34:35 GMT
This is nothing compared to their lack of haste with Nathan Jones. That was bizarre
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Post by Gods on Aug 21, 2022 20:34:55 GMT
I'm not sure there really is a board, it's just John and Denise hubby Richard who worries about the buildings and not much else. Peter seems to be a slippers and horlicks man these days.
As for why John has not 'acted' I guess he thinks MON is a decent man who has built a good squad on a budget which needs bedding in and he has 4 nailed on starters missing.
In short he is hoping things will improve.
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 21, 2022 20:41:49 GMT
It’s because they are stuck in the dark ages. They probably think the only way they get to see the manager is on match days or if they venture to the trading ground. They probably haven’t even heard of e mail or mobile phones. Just an antiquated bunch and twenty five years behind the times.
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Post by Bagwash on Aug 21, 2022 20:45:12 GMT
I would hope that the Coates'would be looking at potential new managers given our form,performances and supporter unrest the last few months but I won't be holding my breath.
We are very,very lucky to have the owners we have but one criticism is that they can be too loyal and wait an age to make a decision.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Aug 21, 2022 20:49:23 GMT
At any other club he’d be gone by now
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Post by danceswithclams on Aug 21, 2022 20:49:45 GMT
Complacency and arrogance.
They believe that they always know best (whereas the evidence of history points to this not being the case).
The biggest problems with this club all stem from the boardroom, but you're not allowed to say that because 'forever grateful' and all that.
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Post by march4 on Aug 21, 2022 21:10:57 GMT
Because patience is a quality appreciated by prospective managers.
However, we really could do with them picking a good manager this time.
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Post by Sfance on Aug 21, 2022 21:21:23 GMT
The answer is they don’t care. Everyone thinks that the Coates father and son are super fans. They’re not. They have boundless money and they’ve got to do something with it, so for now they just chuck it at Stoke City. But that doesn’t mean they care. It means they haven’t thought of anything else to do with their money. Maybe, just maybe, Coates sr. did care once but thinking that’s still true is like thinking Waddington is still the manager. Believe me, people with that much money (with maybe a handful of exceptions) look at the hoi poloi as if they are a lesser species. The fans and Oatcake posters, are the hoi poloi. Difficult to accept maybe, but there are a lot of things that are difficult to accept that are nonetheless true. It was ever this. But, hey, humans have illusions for a good reason. What else would there be to talk about?!
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 21, 2022 21:22:15 GMT
Because patience is a quality appreciated by prospective managers. However, we really could do with them picking a good manager this time. Yet it’s extremely rare for managers given patience to produce. Can you give any fairly recent examples of such patience paying off that aren’t SAF? |
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 21, 2022 21:24:19 GMT
Sean Dyche got Burnley promoted twice, has disciplined defence and strong teams.
Not everyone's cup of tea as he says it how it is. Like most managers has been sacked but was at Burnley 9 years.
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Post by banksy1art on Aug 21, 2022 21:26:31 GMT
Get Bielsa in. We are a big enough club so fuck it, he’d absolutely love this squad of players too
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Post by Parkhall Wanderer on Aug 21, 2022 21:29:38 GMT
I don’t see what all the fuss is about. Sound familiar 🤔 That’s why. Relegation from the Premiership did not bother them so why should relegation back to league 1 bother them. Think as supporters we will have to take some very reactive reaction to get rid of O’Neil. Another boardroom storming on the cards or do we all say feck it and vote with our feet. Problem is like a soft sod I renewed my season ticket so they’ve got my money come what May.
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Post by Sfance on Aug 21, 2022 21:34:01 GMT
I’d even go so far as to say the Coates haven’t acted precisely to teach the rabble a lesson. They haven’t forgotten the aftermath of the Birmingham game back in the mists of time. MON is probably mystified at how he’s still here. I suspect that if things really do start to get nasty, the Family will say, “you want to rebel, well watch this. It’s our ball and we’ll take it home if we want to - meaning they’ll sell up.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 21, 2022 21:40:36 GMT
I’d even go so far as to say the Coates haven’t acted precisely to teach the rabble a lesson. They haven’t forgotten the aftermath of the Birmingham game back in the mists of time. MON is probably mystified at how he’s still here. I suspect that if things really do start to get nasty, the Family will say, “you want to rebel, well watch this. It’s our ball and we’ll take it home if we want to - meaning they’ll sell up. [br Absolute nonsense |
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Post by Sfance on Aug 21, 2022 21:42:44 GMT
Stay tuned, Benjamin, stay tuned.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 21, 2022 21:42:45 GMT
I’d even go so far as to say the Coates haven’t acted precisely to teach the rabble a lesson. They haven’t forgotten the aftermath of the Birmingham game back in the mists of time. MON is probably mystified at how he’s still here. I suspect that if things really do start to get nasty, the Family will say, “you want to rebel, well watch this. It’s our ball and we’ll take it home if we want to - meaning they’ll sell up. Absolute nonsense |
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Post by Sfance on Aug 21, 2022 21:43:54 GMT
But congrats on spelling ‘absolute nonsense’ correctly.
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Post by Sfance on Aug 21, 2022 21:44:47 GMT
Twice.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 21, 2022 21:45:19 GMT
The answer is they don’t care. Everyone thinks that the Coates father and son are super fans. They’re not. They have boundless money and they’ve got to do something with it, so for now they just chuck it at Stoke City. But that doesn’t mean they care. It means they haven’t thought of anything else to do with their money. Maybe, just maybe, Coates sr. did care once but thinking that’s still true is like thinking Waddington is still the manager. Believe me, people with that much money (with maybe a handful of exceptions) look at the hoi poloi as if they are a lesser species. The fans and Oatcake posters, are the hoi poloi. Difficult to accept maybe, but there are a lot of things that are difficult to accept that are nonetheless true. It was ever this. But, hey, humans have illusions for a good reason. What else would there be to talk about?! They care passionately whether they know what to do is open to question and more importantly listen to the rught people is open to question but they care |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 21, 2022 21:50:14 GMT
Tomorrow i can buy a dictionary but you'll still be talking absolute nonsense 😉 |
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Post by J-Roar on Aug 21, 2022 21:52:36 GMT
Complacency and arrogance. They believe that they always know best (whereas the evidence of history points to this not being the case). The biggest problems with this club all stem from the boardroom, but you're not allowed to say that because 'forever grateful' and all that. Burn the witch! |
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Post by J-Roar on Aug 21, 2022 21:54:22 GMT
They kid themselves they are 'football' people.
They are in fact food and betting people.
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Post by Sfance on Aug 21, 2022 22:03:20 GMT
The answer is they don’t care. Everyone thinks that the Coates father and son are super fans. They’re not. They have boundless money and they’ve got to do something with it, so for now they just chuck it at Stoke City. But that doesn’t mean they care. It means they haven’t thought of anything else to do with their money. Maybe, just maybe, Coates sr. did care once but thinking that’s still true is like thinking Waddington is still the manager. Believe me, people with that much money (with maybe a handful of exceptions) look at the hoi poloi as if they are a lesser species. The fans and Oatcake posters, are the hoi poloi. Difficult to accept maybe, but there are a lot of things that are difficult to accept that are nonetheless true. It was ever this. But, hey, humans have illusions for a good reason. What else would there be to talk about?! They care passionately whether they know what to do is open to question and more importantly listen to the rught people is open to question but they care That makes no sense. I know John's an idiot, but I don't think his dad is, or at least he wasn't - otherwise he would never have thought of the golden share trick. What the fuck does "listen to the right people" mean? I could see that might make sense if they lived at Buckingham Palace, but presumably they live in Stoke. So what do they do during the day other than count their money? Listen to the "wrong people?" WTF? |
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