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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 16, 2022 6:49:12 GMT
I really don't get this idea that O'Neill is a safety first manager. We try to play possession based football, try to take the game to the opposition, the shape on the pitch is more often than not is 352 rather than 532 and we certainly don't sit back and try to hit teams on the break. We don't always execute the game plan that well (in particular we're a bit ponderous, the midfield aren't picking the runs of the attackers and we are prone to stupid mistakes at the back) but the intent is to go out to win games rather than have a safety first approach. W don't need a different game plan we just need to do what we are trying to do better You don’t? What have you been watching for the last two seasons? Bizarre isn’t it. We have season by season expunged more and more creativity out of the team. We actually do try and hit teams on the break, particularly away, and it’s one of the few things we look effective at when we do. We have no idea how to break teams down at home.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2022 7:00:11 GMT
You don’t? What have you been watching for the last two seasons? Bizarre isn’t it. We have season by season expunged more and more creativity out of the team. We actually do try and hit teams on the break, particularly away, and it’s one of the few things we look effective at when we do. We have no idea how to break teams down at home. On the whole it’s mind numbingly boring and so many people just don’t care. I think that’s the biggest killer for his argument. The apathy that has set in is because of the football and mirrors it.
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Post by scfc75 on Aug 16, 2022 7:48:36 GMT
Not going to happen unfortunately with this manager. He will always put safety first and continue to manage like he’s managing Northern Ireland and we’re the underdogs in games grinding out enough points to stay mid table. Sad but true. Needs to go and a new fresh bold approach is desperately needed. I really don't get this idea that O'Neill is a safety first manager. We try to play possession based football, try to take the game to the opposition, the shape on the pitch is more often than not is 352 rather than 532 and we certainly don't sit back and try to hit teams on the break. We don't always execute the game plan that well (in particular we're a bit ponderous, the midfield aren't picking the runs of the attackers and we are prone to stupid mistakes at the back) but the intent is to go out to win games rather than have a safety first approach. W don't need a different game plan we just need to do what we are trying to do better Last season we were 16th in the ‘shots on target’ table and 19th the season before that. So either we’re not taking the game to the opposition as you say we are, or if we are, we’re really shit at it and tactics need to change. I’ll let you guess which teams were at the top of that table, and where they ended up in the actual table. Both seasons we finished where we deserved to, given our low volume of attempts to score. Edit: for what it’s worth, in the very limited number of games this season, our shots on target rate is avg. 4.7 per game, which puts us 6th overall on this metric. Small sample size but a bit of hope vs the last 2 seasons, which were 3.6 and 3.1.
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Aug 16, 2022 8:02:35 GMT
Not going to happen unfortunately with this manager. He will always put safety first and continue to manage like he’s managing Northern Ireland and we’re the underdogs in games grinding out enough points to stay mid table. Sad but true. Needs to go and a new fresh bold approach is desperately needed. I really don't get this idea that O'Neill is a safety first manager. We try to play possession based football, try to take the game to the opposition, the shape on the pitch is more often than not is 352 rather than 532 and we certainly don't sit back and try to hit teams on the break. We don't always execute the game plan that well (in particular we're a bit ponderous, the midfield aren't picking the runs of the attackers and we are prone to stupid mistakes at the back) but the intent is to go out to win games rather than have a safety first approach. W don't need a different game plan we just need to do what we are trying to do better He's an 'underdog' mentality, type of manager. He's cautious by design. It's the reason he was lauded with Northern Ireland. He was taking League One-standard players, out to higher-ranked European countries & getting creditable draws. That was his schtick. We knew what we were getting when he came in. He's totally wedded to his 3-5-2 (see also 5-3-2, totally acceptable away to top-of-the-league, not acceptable vs Barnsley at home), which patently doesn't work with the players he's got (the players HE signed, his squad). In that respect, he's in Nathan Jones territory. Every team in the league sets out to have more possession, make more passes, and have more shots than the opposition. That's the whole point. If what we've been watching for 2 years is 'us taking the game to the opposition', I despair.
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Post by a on Aug 16, 2022 8:05:37 GMT
If anybody thinks slaughtering young lads is good for them or us then it’s a sad sad place to be in and counter productive beyond belief Every time a young lad makes a mistake he gets his own thread on here and reemed left right and fucking centre These lads aren’t seasoned professionals they are kids starting out trying to create a career and do their best for SCFC Encourage them ffs not slaughter them They need greater protection. A lower league loan or u23s, but because our recruiting has been gash, we’ve had to shoe horn one or two in.
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 16, 2022 9:01:54 GMT
I have often supported MON on here and truly believe he has assembled a squad capable of doing well in this division, maybe even getting to Top 6 with one or two key additions. Watching on Saturday it became blindingly obvious that the players are too scared to play. That can surely only come from the manager's over cautious approach? You put young lads into a side and expect them to make a few mistakes, but you also expect them to play without fear, express themselves and "have a go". Poor Matt Sparrow looked like he was going to mess himself every time he go the ball, too scared to try anything he simply passed back inside. It wasn't just the youngsters though. Laurent had a great chance to shoot from just inside the box but chose, inexplicably, to pass out to the right. All day long our approach work was tentative and far too easy for Huddersfield to manage. I said when we equalised that the game would hinge on MON's substitutions, both in terms of "who and when", I was hoping for attacking options as soon as possible, to capitalise on the bit of momentum we had, and take advantage of their players losing confidence due to the poor start they had to the season...it didn't happen though (quick enough) and we ended up chasing the game again with its highly predictable consequences So, come on Michael, you have some excellent players, for everyone's sake PLEASE LET THEM PLAY! They will win more than they lose (although maybe not with Flint at CB ) agree entirely, we have an under performing squad They need a breath of fresh air, someone who wants to attack the opposition Forest under Houghton's leadership.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Aug 16, 2022 19:44:08 GMT
Where's danceswithclams when you need him (or her)? There's the mother of all arguments going on in our house. I say The Stench of Fear are a World of Twist tribute band. Actually not bad - currently on the Baltic cruise circuit. The current Mrs Str8 is equally sure they were on the legendary WoT 1991 undercard - and that she actually canned them off when they took liberties, and went on far too long at a gig at Froggies, N-u-L.
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Post by danceswithclams on Aug 16, 2022 20:36:52 GMT
Where's danceswithclams when you need him (or her)? There's the mother of all arguments going on in our house. I say The Stench of Fear are a World of Twist tribute band. Actually not bad - currently on the Baltic cruise circuit. The current Mrs Str8 is equally sure they were on the legendary WoT 1991 undercard - and that she actually canned them off when they took liberties, and went on far too long at a gig at Froggies, N-u-L. One of ABC's less successful singles.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 16, 2022 20:38:05 GMT
Underrated band
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 16, 2022 20:40:05 GMT
Where's danceswithclams when you need him (or her)? There's the mother of all arguments going on in our house. I say The Stench of Fear are a World of Twist tribute band. Actually not bad - currently on the Baltic cruise circuit. The current Mrs Str8 is equally sure they were on the legendary WoT 1991 undercard - and that she actually canned them off when they took liberties, and went on far too long at a gig at Froggies, N-u-L. One of ABC's less successful singles. I meant Stench of Fear, not ABC, who are thoroughly overrated by yours truly. Tears are not Enough will be my funeral song!
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Post by str8outtahampton on Aug 17, 2022 7:31:36 GMT
One of ABC's less successful singles. I meant Stench of Fear, not ABC, who are thoroughly overrated by yours truly. Tears are not Enough will be my funeral song! I agree on ABC. Mind you, their tribute band XYZ aren't bad. You can catch them at Butlins, Minehead, if interested - and I think they do funerals live for a few quid and a case of Stella.
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