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Post by dobcool on Aug 14, 2022 14:09:14 GMT
Now hear me out for my reasoning here. Tony Pulis is good at sorting out clubs that don't have much money available and/or have a rotten atmosphere and is great at keeping a team up. The drawback of Pulis seems to be that he'll keep you in the prem but only just each time as the team doesn't really have the ability or ambition to go further, and you'll never progress higher as a club until he is let go so he has to go at some point eventually. Is it the same thing for MON at a championship level rather than a premier league level? When MON joined us he did really well to keep us up, improve the dressing room (and the club in general) atmosphere, and avoid money issues by getting many players on frees, saving us from a possibile FFP points deduction. Is it however the time to pass this healed club onto a new manager who can take the club to new heights after this transfer window or is money still too much of a problem? I'll let you guys decide.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 14, 2022 14:10:36 GMT
Now hear me out for my reasoning here. Tony Pulis is good at sorting out clubs that don't have much money available and/or have a rotten atmosphere and is great at keeping a team up. The drawback of Pulis seems to be that he'll keep you in the prem but only just each time as the team doesn't really have the ability or ambition to go further, and you'll never progress higher as a club until he is let go so he has to go at some point eventually. Is it the same thing for MON at a championship level rather than a premier league level? When MON joined us he did really well to keep us up, improve the dressing room (and the club in general) atmosphere, and avoid money issues by getting many players on frees, saving us from a possibile FFP points deduction. Is it however the time to pass this healed club onto a new manager who can take the club to new heights after this transfer window or is money still too much of a problem? I'll let you guys decide. Pulis did a lot more with a lot less. So, no, definitely not. |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Aug 14, 2022 14:10:59 GMT
Turned out utterly boring and outstayed his welcome. Yes.
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 14, 2022 14:12:30 GMT
Now hear me out for my reasoning here. Tony Pulis is good at sorting out clubs that don't have much money available and/or have a rotten atmosphere and is great at keeping a team up. The drawback of Pulis seems to be that he'll keep you in the prem but only just each time as the team doesn't really have the ability or ambition to go further, and you'll never progress higher as a club until he is let go so he has to go at some point eventually. Is it the same thing for MON at a championship level rather than a premier league level? When MON joined us he did really well to keep us up, improve the dressing room (and the club in general) atmosphere, and avoid money issues by getting many players on frees, saving us from a possibile FFP points deduction. Is it however the time to pass this healed club onto a new manager who can take the club to new heights after this transfer window or is money still too much of a problem? I'll let you guys decide. Nope, miles apart. One has a ruthless streak and is a determined winner, the other is just a loser. The only thing in common they share is the ability to serve up dull football and play players out of position. |
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Post by Davef on Aug 14, 2022 14:14:34 GMT
FFS
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Post by greystokie on Aug 14, 2022 14:29:14 GMT
I was a paid up PHW and was glad to see TP go in the end but in terms of creating a game plan to get us promoted and then established in the Prem TP is miles ahead of MON
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Post by David Brent on Aug 14, 2022 14:33:26 GMT
Now hear me out for my reasoning here. Tony Pulis is good at sorting out clubs that don't have much money available and/or have a rotten atmosphere and is great at keeping a team up. The drawback of Pulis seems to be that he'll keep you in the prem but only just each time as the team doesn't really have the ability or ambition to go further, and you'll never progress higher as a club until he is let go so he has to go at some point eventually. Is it the same thing for MON at a championship level rather than a premier league level? When MON joined us he did really well to keep us up, improve the dressing room (and the club in general) atmosphere, and avoid money issues by getting many players on frees, saving us from a possibile FFP points deduction. Is it however the time to pass this healed club onto a new manager who can take the club to new heights after this transfer window or is money still too much of a problem? I'll let you guys decide. If Michael O Neil got us promotion, premiership security , FA cup final and European football. Then he would be exactly like Pulis. Until then, not even close |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2022 14:35:29 GMT
I am on safe ground predicting MoN is not going to get us promoted, keep us there and take us to a cup final after winning the semi final 5v1 at Wembley.
If he could take a leaf out of TP's book and sign goalies of the level of crossley, simonsen bego and Sorensen, that would be a huge help, but I can't see it happening.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2022 14:37:57 GMT
No, Pulis was successful.
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Post by HarryTheHat on Aug 14, 2022 14:38:00 GMT
No, Pulis was successful
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Post by HarryTheHat on Aug 14, 2022 14:38:36 GMT
No, Pulis was successful. Pisser, we must have posted at exactly the same time there  |
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Aug 14, 2022 14:38:48 GMT
What an utterly pointless and boring discussion.
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Post by StokieNath on Aug 14, 2022 14:39:10 GMT
You cannot compare Mon to Pulis, MON would never take us to the heights Pulis did.
He’s similar in terms of Stubbornness, boring football.
MONs football has always been shit though, he sets up like we are Northern Ireland playing the Germans or the French, but in reality it’s Milwall or fucking Swansea.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 14, 2022 14:47:01 GMT
Now hear me out for my reasoning here. Tony Pulis is good at sorting out clubs that don't have much money available and/or have a rotten atmosphere and is great at keeping a team up. The drawback of Pulis seems to be that he'll keep you in the prem but only just each time as the team doesn't really have the ability or ambition to go further, and you'll never progress higher as a club until he is let go so he has to go at some point eventually. Is it the same thing for MON at a championship level rather than a premier league level? When MON joined us he did really well to keep us up, improve the dressing room (and the club in general) atmosphere, and avoid money issues by getting many players on frees, saving us from a possibile FFP points deduction. Is it however the time to pass this healed club onto a new manager who can take the club to new heights after this transfer window or is money still too much of a problem? I'll let you guys decide. Pulis did a lot more with a lot less. So, no, definitely not. Pulis spent a load in our promotion season. I say that as a Pulis fan. |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 14, 2022 14:48:08 GMT
No, Pulis was successful. Pisser, we must have posted at exactly the same time there You missed the full stop and still didn't beat him.  |
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Post by Gods on Aug 14, 2022 14:58:03 GMT
Pulis returned the club to the top flight after a quarter of a century in the wilderness.
He kept us there for 5 seasons without ever remotely looking like we would go down.
He delivered the only winning run in Europe and the only FA Cup Final in the history of the football club
And still found time to scale Kilimanjaro for the Donna Louise Trust.
So I would say 'not yet'.
In the words of Hoyt Axton "She said you're a living legend, I said 'thank you kindly ma'am'" 😊
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Post by tejstokie on Aug 14, 2022 15:05:18 GMT
Pulis knew the defensive side of the game. He'd look at the goalkeepers and defenders we've currently got and laugh with a smug grin and say, "You call that a defense!" An unfit Andy Wilkinson could dust off the old boots and walk into RB and improve us.
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 14, 2022 15:06:00 GMT
Not a big fan of the way either play but the difference is simple and obvious:- Pulis wins games, MON doesn't.
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Post by davethebass on Aug 14, 2022 15:11:18 GMT
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Post by robrigo on Aug 14, 2022 15:15:20 GMT
Strange thread but as you’re asking Pulis is a far superior manager in my opinion.
What we need is better manager than we have now. Whether we’ll get that in the near future will become clear soon enough.
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Post by march4 on Aug 14, 2022 15:15:25 GMT
There will never be another TP.
Some will say thank goodness, some will miss his leadership but he was pretty unique.
A younger TP would sort this mess out in the blink of an eye.
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Post by lordb on Aug 14, 2022 15:26:13 GMT
No he isn't
more like Mills
Half way there but can't see it through
Mills played with wingers mind
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 14, 2022 15:28:55 GMT
It’s not even close
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Post by anchorman on Aug 14, 2022 16:03:28 GMT
Now hear me out for my reasoning here. Tony Pulis is good at sorting out clubs that don't have much money available and/or have a rotten atmosphere and is great at keeping a team up. The drawback of Pulis seems to be that he'll keep you in the prem but only just each time as the team doesn't really have the ability or ambition to go further, and you'll never progress higher as a club until he is let go so he has to go at some point eventually. Is it the same thing for MON at a championship level rather than a premier league level? When MON joined us he did really well to keep us up, improve the dressing room (and the club in general) atmosphere, and avoid money issues by getting many players on frees, saving us from a possibile FFP points deduction. Is it however the time to pass this healed club onto a new manager who can take the club to new heights after this transfer window or is money still too much of a problem? I'll let you guys decide. No. |
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Post by gawa on Aug 14, 2022 16:06:43 GMT
Has a worse choice of cap. Didn't like the white one
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Post by thevoid on Aug 14, 2022 16:25:18 GMT
He's the Wish version of Pulis
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Post by misterj on Aug 14, 2022 16:29:14 GMT
Say what you like about TP (and tbf nothing lasts forever) but the board panicked when the fans started groaning (how awful to keep drawing and getting the occasional 1-0 win which kept us out of the Prem relegation zone …… terrible!) We should have stuck with what we had, a tried & tested formula, true TP would have retired by now but I’d say there’s a 75% chance we’d still be in the PL?
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Post by wrighter on Aug 14, 2022 16:42:57 GMT
People forget what TP did for our club
ok the football was turgid at times, but we mustnt forget 2 trips to Wembley, + getting into Europe and lets not EVER forget pissing off Wenger
No comparrison, TP loved everything about the club, i dont MON gives a f*ck
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 14, 2022 16:50:55 GMT
The biggest concern is their difference. When we were languishing in the Championship Pulis gave that eternally annoying interview every week about quality in the final third. I found the religion of this much worse than the football. The difference here is he brought in Rik, Hendrie and a few that didn’t work out but it made a massive difference. As soon as we gave them tricky players to manage the direct approach became effective, it was the equivalent of a cricketer having a slower ball, we became unpredictable.
I’ve rambled on but I’m not sure MoN knows what the problem is, Pulis identified the issue and solved it.
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Post by Bagwash on Aug 14, 2022 16:54:20 GMT
If MON was half the manager TP was,with the present squad we would at least be challenging for the top 6.
Personal choice but I have never got the crap directed at Pulis.
When he was our manager it was a good time being a Stoke fan.
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