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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 13, 2022 16:40:31 GMT
Is this existent in this group of players? I'm really starting to doubt this.  |
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 13, 2022 16:41:48 GMT
Doesn't exist. Bottle merchants, every one of them.
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Post by jokker on Aug 13, 2022 16:42:11 GMT
Is this existent in this group of players? I'm really starting to doubt this. We've bought seven new players -give them time to gel, then we'll know. |
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 13, 2022 16:42:12 GMT
Is this existent in this group of players? I'm really starting to doubt this. I was talking to another well seasoned Stokie midweek along similar lines & ended with this question. Could we see this team, with this set up & this manager going on a 5 or 10 game unbeaten run? No chance |
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Post by loosestools on Aug 13, 2022 16:42:34 GMT
Is this existent in this group of players? I'm really starting to doubt this. Its not from what I am witnessing. Big, big part of the problem - no motivators at the top. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 13, 2022 16:48:04 GMT
These are supposed to be professionals……..PROFESSIONALS!
Stealing a fuckin living everyone of them.
That’s partly the cause
I’ve said the following til I’m blue in the fuckin face:
Get a manager in with a CB of WINNING trophies.
There’s plenty out there.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 13, 2022 16:48:23 GMT
There is absolutely no fire or belief in this manager and consequently in the players. They should be fucking fired up, together, piling into the season with their eye on the title. Instead we limp in drably talking about obstacles and difficulties and three-game fucking weeks.
We've got no character and no mentality. A new manager could change it in an instant, and we know that because it's exactly what MON did when he arrived.
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Post by Davef on Aug 13, 2022 16:49:32 GMT
Did the situation at Nottingham Forest last season teach you nothing?
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Post by houstonsteve on Aug 13, 2022 16:50:40 GMT
A fish rots from the oh what's the point.......
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 13, 2022 16:54:58 GMT
It's down to the management and coaching staff!!!
O'Neil changed much of the side the following season from the one he kept us up with....
Then he changed much of it again last season....
And he's done the same again this season....
And we don't look any better than the side he kept us up with!!!
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Post by kidcrewbob on Aug 13, 2022 17:01:13 GMT
No leadership on or off the pitch - O'Neil completely incapable of inspiring, enthusing or instilling any sort of spirit into the players. They're like a bunch of strangers who have zero direction - he just HAS to go now......
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Post by fca47 on Aug 13, 2022 17:03:12 GMT
It's pretty obvious we haven't. The way we start games away from home, insipid dull play until we are chasing games
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Post by Goonie on Aug 13, 2022 17:04:35 GMT
The manager creates the vibe in the dressing room:
He instills confidence
He's decisive
He motivates
Identifies an objective
He has a clear plan of how to obtain it
He communicates this to the team
Admittedly I am not privvy to what goes on behind closed doors but I fail to see how he does it for Stoke
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Post by sheds1862 on Aug 13, 2022 17:10:38 GMT
Did the situation at Nottingham Forest last season teach you nothing? Yes. Get a new manager in after a shit start . |
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Post by Gods on Aug 13, 2022 17:20:57 GMT
It's down to the management and coaching staff!!! O'Neil changed much of the side the following season from the one he kept us up with.... Then he changed much of it again last season.... And he's done the same again this season.... And we don't look any better than the side he kept us up with!!! We're worse that the side he kept us up with. Not sure if its all a bit cheaper now though. |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 13, 2022 17:21:11 GMT
Agreed.
We’re quite a pessimist bunch on here.
I’m very pessimistic. Way to much.
But. Objectively. You knew we were going to lose today.
The SCFC charity line gets thrown around a lot. But we are.
Especially after that missed penalty. You just knew what would happen.
After 1-1 you go and get the victory. We capitulated.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 13, 2022 17:23:54 GMT
Nothing wrong with the players,apart from Clucas,it's all down to the Red nosed clown.
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Post by wuzza on Aug 13, 2022 17:23:59 GMT
There is absolutely no winning mentality in the club from the top down.
The guy running the show has seen no success whatsoever since taking over from his dad , the manager is completely unproven in club football and remains so , very few of the more senior players have anything significant in their trophy cabinets and the youngsters have known nothing but a stuttering and stalling club since they were boys.
It is a hesitant and uncertain set up that is reflected by what goes on out on the pitch where the team never takes a game by the scruff of the neck , never imposes itself on the opposition and never looks confident.
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Post by andystokey on Aug 13, 2022 17:28:14 GMT
Did the situation at Nottingham Forest last season teach you nothing? Yes. Get a new manager in after a shit start . Not Chris Hughton |
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Post by gawa on Aug 13, 2022 17:29:51 GMT
Only 2 points of the playoff lads
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Post by jokker on Aug 13, 2022 18:02:56 GMT
There is absolutely no fire or belief in this manager and consequently in the players. They should be fucking fired up, together, piling into the season with their eye on the title. Instead we limp in drably talking about obstacles and difficulties and three-game fucking weeks. We've got no character and no mentality. A new manager could change it in an instant, and we know that because it's exactly what MON did when he arrived. Ligtening never hits the same place twice. |
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Post by thevoid on Aug 13, 2022 20:27:05 GMT
Did the situation at Nottingham Forest last season teach you nothing? Yes. Get a new manager in after a shit start . Is there another 'Steve Cooper' out there? I'm sure there is, especially if you cast your net further than this small group of islands, but I have no faith that our owners would be able to find him. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 13, 2022 20:30:36 GMT
Last time we had a group of players with a genuine winning mentality was about 18 months before we got relegated.
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Post by sheds1862 on Aug 14, 2022 9:51:28 GMT
Yes. Get a new manager in after a shit start . Is there another 'Steve Cooper' out there? I'm sure there is, especially if you cast your net further than this small group of islands, but I have no faith that our owners would be able to find him. It's difficult we are all experts on here aren't we ! But leftfield appointment would cause concern I'm sure. But Watford ( yes a loony club ) went for FGR manager. Ipswich and Blackpool both went for coaches from big clubs rather than tried and tested managers. I know MK are bottom but they have played Ipswich and Wednesday but the guy there think called Manning could be an outside the box candidate. This place would implode though I'm sure. Has to be a Cooper,Critchley type coaching at a Premier club who'd jump at the chance. All the excuses now for me are just on repeat. Huddersfield were bottom,lacking confidence and talk of 'must win '. Whether we battered them as some claim is irrelevant, we were turned over again with our customary error from trying to play from the back. He's had 3 years this November and it's a shit show. I'd even throw in random name like Carrick or Darren Fletcher. A huge risk but the alternative is plod on with this shite |
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Post by chad on Aug 14, 2022 10:44:17 GMT
It's down to the management and coaching staff!!! O'Neil changed much of the side the following season from the one he kept us up with.... Then he changed much of it again last season.... And he's done the same again this season.... And we don't look any better than the side he kept us up with!!! We're worse that the side he kept us up with. Not sure if its all a bit cheaper now though. Not just worse; a lot worse |
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Post by anchorman on Aug 14, 2022 12:55:04 GMT
We have a losing mentality unfortunately and we've had it for a long time now.
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Post by a on Aug 14, 2022 13:00:21 GMT
Is this existent in this group of players? I'm really starting to doubt this. We've bought seven new players -give them time to gel, then we'll know. What makes you think these players will do better than all the ones before? |
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Post by jokker on Aug 15, 2022 0:13:50 GMT
We've bought seven new players -give them time to gel, then we'll know. What makes you think these players will do better than all the ones before? How I am supposed to know? |
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Post by a on Aug 15, 2022 13:41:42 GMT
What makes you think these players will do better than all the ones before? How I am supposed to know? Just wondered why you might think these players would gel when the previous players perhaps hadn’t. It just sounds a bit like another excuse for O’Neill 🫤 |
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Post by jokker on Aug 15, 2022 14:51:01 GMT
How I am supposed to know? Just wondered why you might think these players would gel when the previous players perhaps hadn’t. It just sounds a bit like another excuse for O’Neill 🫤 I'm highly sceptical about any of O'Neill signings, but since I don't know them very well, I can't really dismiss them beforehand. They are all pros and might have gained valueable breeding at their alma mater. Perhaps they will gel in spite of O'Neill... |
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