|
Post by fca47 on Aug 13, 2022 18:18:59 GMT
Does well for a small fella, holds a man off much beter than Campbell, had two goals chalked off that were debateable, and also would have had a couple of tap ins if Brown and Tyman were more aware.
|
|
|
Gayle
Aug 13, 2022 18:29:11 GMT
via mobile
mrrine likes this
Post by jhtstokie on Aug 13, 2022 18:29:11 GMT
The service into him was always going to be the problem when we signed him, a brilliant and clinical player in this league but we just can’t feed him
|
|
|
Post by march4 on Aug 13, 2022 18:31:13 GMT
Messi would struggle with this manager.
|
|
|
Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 13, 2022 18:46:33 GMT
we have managed somehow to make Dwight Gayle look shit, something needs to change Thats one thing MON is good at,making decent players look shite.
|
|
|
Post by mrcoke on Aug 13, 2022 19:50:49 GMT
I really feel for the guy., and for Brown.
It is quite apparent that the pair of them are desperate to get in behind the opposition defence, but the rest of the team seem oblivious or incapable of feeding them.
For a brief period after half time today a few long passes were launched but they were aĺ too strong and went out or to their GK. But after a while we seemed to give up on that tactic.
Gayle gets caught offside because the service to him is so slow. He is clearly used to playing with players more switched on to his needs.
|
|
|
Gayle
Aug 14, 2022 14:25:28 GMT
Post by mrrine on Aug 14, 2022 14:25:28 GMT
I really feel for the guy., and for Brown. It is quite apparent that the pair of them are desperate to get in behind the opposition defence, but the rest of the team seem oblivious or incapable of feeding them. For a brief period after half time today a few long passes were launched but they were aĺ too strong and went out or to their GK. But after a while we seemed to give up on that tactic. Gayle gets caught offside because the service to him is so slow. He is clearly used to playing with players more switched on to his needs. If we can all see it but the manager can't or won't adapt, who's wrong? Us or the manager?
|
|
|
Gayle
Aug 14, 2022 14:37:22 GMT
via mobile
Post by callas12 on Aug 14, 2022 14:37:22 GMT
we have managed somehow to make Dwight Gayle look shit, something needs to change Thats one thing MON is good at,making decent players look shite. Coincidently just watching Surridge enter the Forest match to a hero's welcome from the Forest fans! A player MON signed but one he clearly couldn't fit in to his plans and chose to offload soon after! To a club now playing in the Prem! I'm not in any way saying Surridge is a world beater or will be a goal getter in the Prem but it's sure telling and ironic that a striker who was with us last season is now plying his trade in the Premier League whilst we entertain the Champo for another season, & still don't seem to be great at scoring goals when considering the chances we're having according to the stats!
|
|
|
Gayle
Aug 14, 2022 17:45:24 GMT
via mobile
Post by collo68 on Aug 14, 2022 17:45:24 GMT
He’s scored two goals in the last two games if we had VAR that’s good going if you ask me
|
|
|
Gayle
Aug 14, 2022 17:47:28 GMT
via mobile
nott1 likes this
Post by sportsman on Aug 14, 2022 17:47:28 GMT
He’s scored two goals in the last two games if we had VAR that’s good going if you ask me And don't forget if we had VAR we wouldn't have gone down over that season i seem to remember reading
|
|
|
Gayle
Aug 14, 2022 17:48:55 GMT
via mobile
nott1 likes this
Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2022 17:48:55 GMT
No one else wanted him apparently 😁
He hasn't played much and will take him time. Goals will come
|
|
|
Gayle
Aug 14, 2022 17:58:17 GMT
Post by luke45 on Aug 14, 2022 17:58:17 GMT
It was noticeable yesterday that he was dropping deep too often looking for the ball, probably due to frustration. To his credit he won the ball back on several occasions but he was feeding nobody when he did because he'd vacated his area. He's not as quick as he used to be but we've seen from the two disallowed goals he's scored that his movement is still very good, if we are going to get the best out of him we need him to be selfish and play within the width of the 18 yard box and wait for the opportunities.
|
|
|
Gayle
Aug 14, 2022 18:05:36 GMT
via mobile
Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Aug 14, 2022 18:05:36 GMT
It was noticeable yesterday that he was dropping deep too often looking for the ball, probably due to frustration. To his credit he won the ball back on several occasions but he was feeding nobody when he did because he'd vacated his area. He's not as quick as he used to be but we've seen from the two disallowed goals he's scored that his movement is still very good, if we are going to get the best out of him we need him to be selfish and play within the width of the 18 yard box and wait for the opportunities. He may be waiting a long time.
|
|
|
Gayle
Aug 14, 2022 18:08:55 GMT
Post by nott1 on Aug 14, 2022 18:08:55 GMT
Messi would struggle with this manager. No he wouldn't!
|
|
|
Gayle
Aug 14, 2022 18:13:14 GMT
via mobile
Post by xchpotter on Aug 14, 2022 18:13:14 GMT
He won't be the first striker with a decent record to see it eroded at Stoke.
|
|
|
Post by stokest5 on Aug 14, 2022 18:16:04 GMT
Thats one thing MON is good at,making decent players look shite. Coincidently just watching Surridge enter the Forest match to a hero's welcome from the Forest fans! A player MON signed but one he clearly couldn't fit in to his plans and chose to offload soon after! To a club now playing in the Prem! I'm not in any way saying Surridge is a world beater or will be a goal getter in the Prem but it's sure telling and ironic that a striker who was with us last season is now plying his trade in the Premier League whilst we entertain the Champo for another season, & still don't seem to be great at scoring goals when considering the chances we're having according to the stats! I’m sure the commentators said he started off has a right back. Get him back 😆
|
|
|
Gayle
Aug 14, 2022 18:16:48 GMT
via mobile
Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2022 18:16:48 GMT
Messi would struggle with this manager. Well Campbell had managed one goal in 14 think it was and after working with MON looked a different player and went on a great run of goals so perhaps a slight exaggeration there. We've had a ridiculous amount of shots in the last few games, 60 did someone say and not converting them and conceding the sloppiest of goals. Creating not really the issue on those stats. Basic defending and goalkeeping more my concern
|
|
|
Gayle
Aug 14, 2022 18:30:02 GMT
via mobile
Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 14, 2022 18:30:02 GMT
Played well so far, I like him a lot personally. Me too....to have a goal disallowed the other night. and one offside today, is a positive Not forgetting the chance he had against Blackpool which SHOULD have found the back of the net, I don't even think the keeper knew how he managed to keep that out!!! 😕
|
|
|
Post by Trouserdog on Aug 14, 2022 18:33:53 GMT
It's almost like people predicted exactly what would happen.
|
|
|
Gayle
Aug 14, 2022 18:36:20 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 14, 2022 18:36:20 GMT
Messi would struggle with this manager. Well Campbell had managed one goal in 14 think it was and after working with MON looked a different player and went on a great run of goals so perhaps a slight exaggeration there. We've had a ridiculous amount of shots in the last few games, 60 did someone say and not converting them and conceding the sloppiest of goals. Creating not really the issue on those stats. Basic defending and goalkeeping more my concern Its the type pf chances we're creating thats the problem, we could have had 100 shots but if they all speculative outside the area type stuff then its pointless. I agree the basics seem to be a problem but scoring goals is up there next to it.
|
|
|
Gayle
Aug 14, 2022 18:41:28 GMT
via mobile
Post by Veritas on Aug 14, 2022 18:41:28 GMT
Well Campbell had managed one goal in 14 think it was and after working with MON looked a different player and went on a great run of goals so perhaps a slight exaggeration there. We've had a ridiculous amount of shots in the last few games, 60 did someone say and not converting them and conceding the sloppiest of goals. Creating not really the issue on those stats. Basic defending and goalkeeping more my concern Its the type pf chances we're creating thats the problem, we could have had 100 shots but if they all speculative outside the area type stuff then its pointless. I agree the basics seem to be a problem but scoring goals is up there next to it. 58 attempts in the last 3 games but just 3 goals, last season we were having almost no attempts. This is about the only area we have improved in but as it isn't translating into goals and wins it is fairly academic.
|
|
|
Gayle
Aug 14, 2022 19:09:52 GMT
via mobile
Post by scfcnicholas on Aug 14, 2022 19:09:52 GMT
He’s scored two goals in the last two games if we had VAR that’s good going if you ask me Exactly. How can that be criticised. Encountering absolutely shambolic refereeing on top of our own shitness 2 games on the trot is extremely unhelpful.
|
|
|
Post by gawa on Aug 14, 2022 19:27:55 GMT
We're creating more chances than some are suggesting. I think our xG over the last 3 games is 7. Yet we only scored 3.
It does feel though like not many of those chances are falling for Gayle for whatever reason. In a parallel universe he would have scored in each of the last 3 as he had 2 disallowed and an excellent one saved at Blackpool.
The goals will come. He's playing well.
|
|
|
Gayle
Aug 15, 2022 15:36:00 GMT
via mobile
Post by hardcastle on Aug 15, 2022 15:36:00 GMT
Agreed. I'm pretty confident Smallbone's creativity and Gayle's finishing has every chance of working.
|
|
|
Gayle
Aug 15, 2022 15:45:18 GMT
Post by mrteddysalad on Aug 15, 2022 15:45:18 GMT
Our build up play is too often too slow and lacks incisive passing. Could have copy and pasted this assessment of our squad 5 years in a row now
|
|
|
Post by mickstupp on Aug 15, 2022 16:17:41 GMT
Refereeing incompetence has cost him two goals in the last two games so let’s not start looking for issues with him just yet. If he stays fit he will score goals.
|
|
|
Gayle
Aug 15, 2022 16:25:34 GMT
Post by iglugluk on Aug 15, 2022 16:25:34 GMT
Our build up play is too often too slow and lacks incisive passing. Could have copy and pasted this assessment of our squad 5 years in a row now Absolutely.. it's a mystery to me that successive managers have failed to achieve this even whilst claiming it's how they want to play. Slowly passing around the back waiting for a golden opportunity to present itself is just tedious (and invites disaster) .. as is the tendency of our players to regularly take the option of passing sideways and backwards rather than thinking aggressively and either beating their man or making a decision and passing offensively. It's frustrating.
|
|
|
Gayle
Aug 15, 2022 17:08:05 GMT
via mobile
Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 15, 2022 17:08:05 GMT
Gayle has been fed a a couple of times, scored 2 good goals that were wiped off.
|
|
|
Gayle
Aug 15, 2022 18:17:13 GMT
Post by mrteddysalad on Aug 15, 2022 18:17:13 GMT
Could have copy and pasted this assessment of our squad 5 years in a row now Absolutely.. it's a mystery to me that successive managers have failed to achieve this even whilst claiming it's how they want to play. Slowly passing around the back waiting for a golden opportunity to present itself is just tedious (and invites disaster) .. as is the tendency of our players to regularly take the option of passing sideways and backwards rather than thinking aggressively and either beating their man or making a decision and passing offensively. It's frustrating. I don't understand it, I long for the days of Stokalona
|
|
|
Gayle
Aug 15, 2022 18:42:28 GMT
via mobile
Post by cvillestokie on Aug 15, 2022 18:42:28 GMT
I really feel for the guy., and for Brown. It is quite apparent that the pair of them are desperate to get in behind the opposition defence, but the rest of the team seem oblivious or incapable of feeding them. For a brief period after half time today a few long passes were launched but they were aĺ too strong and went out or to their GK. But after a while we seemed to give up on that tactic. Gayle gets caught offside because the service to him is so slow. He is clearly used to playing with players more switched on to his needs. The problem is, it’s a fairly impossible pass to make on a consistent basis for players of this level. To play a ball in to the channel from defence that goes over a defender and lands in a position that gives the striker chance to control it and attack is fairly hard without having a tall striker soften and redirect the initial kick. None of our midfielders look the type to open up defences. Smallbone looks pretty decent in tight spots, but I don’t think he is going to play killer balls behind defenders. It wasn’t part of Baker’s game last season and Laurent is being used as a defensive midfielder.
|
|
|
Gayle
Aug 22, 2022 9:18:33 GMT
via mobile
Post by sheds1862 on Aug 22, 2022 9:18:33 GMT
Just watching that EFL show. 34 games without a goal it said, surely that can't be right . Granted most appearances will of been as sub in the Premier league
|
|