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Post by waddosnavy on Aug 12, 2022 12:23:46 GMT
In many ways it is disrespectful to field a 'weakened' team to not only the opposition but to paying fans. OK so nowadays it is called 'a Squad', but surely the best of the squad must be regarded as the First team and the other Reserves. It would in my mind be better to start the game against 'Lesser' sides with our strongest 11, then if we manage to score 2 or 3 goals introduce other players as the game progresses. One can only imagine the disappointment of supporters of Oxford and Bristol Rovers in our '72 cup winning season, if dad had said 'tonight son I'm going to take you to see the best goalkeeper in the World', and we'd played John Farmer instead of Banksy. Also, in our 2nd Div Championship winning season 0f '63, although it was a top of the table clash the 60 odd thousand who went to Stamford Bridge for the game, also thought they might be seeing Stanley Matthews for the last time, which partially boosted the attendance, and I'm sure many would have been disappointed had he not played.
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Post by lordb on Aug 12, 2022 12:49:19 GMT
In many ways it is disrespectful to field a 'weakened' team to not only the opposition but to paying fans. OK so nowadays it is called 'a Squad', but surely the best of the squad must be regarded as the First team and the other Reserves. It would in my mind be better to start the game against 'Lesser' sides with our strongest 11, then if we manage to score 2 or 3 goals introduce other players as the game progresses. One can only imagine the disappointment of supporters of Oxford and Bristol Rovers in our '72 cup winning season, if dad had said 'tonight son I'm going to take you to see the best goalkeeper in the World', and we'd played John Farmer instead of Banksy. Also, in our 2nd Div Championship winning season 0f '63, although it was a top of the table clash the 60 odd thousand who went to Stamford Bridge for the game, also thought they might be seeing Stanley Matthews for the last time, which partially boosted the attendance, and I'm sure many would have been disappointed had he not played. With 5 subs I think your argument re starting with best team is stronger
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 12, 2022 15:31:16 GMT
Yes it is, the OP specifically references MON You can't have a present day thread that doesn't "reference" MON, but this nohing to do with the usual MON bashing and everything to do with our historical cup record which involves other managers. The post explicitly states - twice - that it is about our cup record under MON 😂
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 12, 2022 15:45:17 GMT
In many ways it is disrespectful to field a 'weakened' team to not only the opposition but to paying fans. OK so nowadays it is called 'a Squad', but surely the best of the squad must be regarded as the First team and the other Reserves. It would in my mind be better to start the game against 'Lesser' sides with our strongest 11, then if we manage to score 2 or 3 goals introduce other players as the game progresses. One can only imagine the disappointment of supporters of Oxford and Bristol Rovers in our '72 cup winning season, if dad had said 'tonight son I'm going to take you to see the best goalkeeper in the World', and we'd played John Farmer instead of Banksy. Also, in our 2nd Div Championship winning season 0f '63, although it was a top of the table clash the 60 odd thousand who went to Stamford Bridge for the game, also thought they might be seeing Stanley Matthews for the last time, which partially boosted the attendance, and I'm sure many would have been disappointed had he not played. Hudsongod/ waiting4waddo……… is that you?
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Post by baystokie on Aug 12, 2022 16:06:52 GMT
The amount of straws that are being clutched at after. Isn’t there a MON thread for this crap? Try reading before you comment. this is not even about him especially. As far as bayern is concerned, the mention of MON is akin to a Pavlov's dog reaction or as a red rag to a bull!
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Post by jokker on Aug 12, 2022 16:32:43 GMT
You can't have a present day thread that doesn't "reference" MON, but this nohing to do with the usual MON bashing and everything to do with our historical cup record which involves other managers. The post explicitly states - twice - that it is about our cup record under MON 😂 As I already said any discussion after the Morecambe game is unlikely not to mention MON's name once or twice. But the thread is not about bashing MON, for once. There's plenty of messages elsewhere doing that, so I thought it might be different discussing our Stoke City Cup Record. "Goes to show just wrong you can be" (P.F: Sloan).
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Post by jokker on Aug 12, 2022 16:34:08 GMT
Try reading before you comment. this is not even about him especially. As far as bayern is concerned, the mere mention of MON is akin to a Pavlov's dog reaction or as a red rag to a bull! There, I corrected it to reflect what it was you meant. And you are right.
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Post by waddosnavy on Aug 12, 2022 16:34:12 GMT
In many ways it is disrespectful to field a 'weakened' team to not only the opposition but to paying fans. OK so nowadays it is called 'a Squad', but surely the best of the squad must be regarded as the First team and the other Reserves. It would in my mind be better to start the game against 'Lesser' sides with our strongest 11, then if we manage to score 2 or 3 goals introduce other players as the game progresses. One can only imagine the disappointment of supporters of Oxford and Bristol Rovers in our '72 cup winning season, if dad had said 'tonight son I'm going to take you to see the best goalkeeper in the World', and we'd played John Farmer instead of Banksy. Also, in our 2nd Div Championship winning season 0f '63, although it was a top of the table clash the 60 odd thousand who went to Stamford Bridge for the game, also thought they might be seeing Stanley Matthews for the last time, which partially boosted the attendance, and I'm sure many would have been disappointed had he not played. Hudsongod/ waiting4waddo……… is that you? 'Fraid not LawrieLeslie
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Post by jokker on Aug 12, 2022 16:39:29 GMT
In many ways it is disrespectful to field a 'weakened' team to not only the opposition but to paying fans. OK so nowadays it is called 'a Squad', but surely the best of the squad must be regarded as the First team and the other Reserves. It would in my mind be better to start the game against 'Lesser' sides with our strongest 11, then if we manage to score 2 or 3 goals introduce other players as the game progresses. One can only imagine the disappointment of supporters of Oxford and Bristol Rovers in our '72 cup winning season, if dad had said 'tonight son I'm going to take you to see the best goalkeeper in the World', and we'd played John Farmer instead of Banksy. Also, in our 2nd Div Championship winning season 0f '63, although it was a top of the table clash the 60 odd thousand who went to Stamford Bridge for the game, also thought they might be seeing Stanley Matthews for the last time, which partially boosted the attendance, and I'm sure many would have been disappointed had he not played. Before the game a man, maybe a fan, named bayernoatcake was demanding that we played as many second stringers as possible to keep them matchfit, although he was willing to accept only ten. Now far be it for me to say that said oatcake is representative of Stoke's fans, but there does seem to be a remarkably large number of bayernoatcakefans who dote on his every word.
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Post by jokker on Aug 12, 2022 17:17:26 GMT
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 12, 2022 17:36:41 GMT
The post explicitly states - twice - that it is about our cup record under MON 😂 As I already said any discussion after the Morecambe game is unlikely not to mention MON's name once or twice. But the thread is not about bashing MON, for once. There's plenty of messages elsewhere doing that, so I thought it might be different discussing our Stoke City Cup Record. "Goes to show just wrong you can be" (P.F: Sloan). It’s not bashing him, no, it’s defending him
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 12, 2022 18:05:33 GMT
I hope we can keep you as a stokie gawa whenever it may be that Michael moves on. I really hope he succeeds and I really like his personality. And I enjoy reading your posts and pretty much agree with what you have to say. Yeah, just hope the stoke bug has bitten you mate. 👍 Thank you very much mate. I have no intentions of going anywhere soon and hope to make it over to a game soon too. Not sure why some people are trying to make the thread about the manager. It's literally just about Stoke City in the cup in recent years and as O'Neil has been here for a few years, of course he will have more runs listed. No you said under O’Neil Obviously your not interested in previous years
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Post by gawa on Aug 12, 2022 18:44:19 GMT
Thank you very much mate. I have no intentions of going anywhere soon and hope to make it over to a game soon too. Not sure why some people are trying to make the thread about the manager. It's literally just about Stoke City in the cup in recent years and as O'Neil has been here for a few years, of course he will have more runs listed. No you said under O’Neil Obviously your not interested in previous years Well yes because I listed cup performances under O'Neill. I also included the below too on previous managers: Before Tuesday the last time we were knocked out by lower league opposition was: Nathan Jones - League Cup v League 2 Crawley (19/20) Gary Rowett - FA Cup v League 1 Shrewsbury (18/19) Mark Hughes - FA Cup v League 2 Coventry (17/18) Mark Hughes - League Cup v championship Bristol City (17/18) Every single cup run from 17/18 to 21/22 is listed here with the exception of 18/19 FA Cup under Rowett. That run lasted 2 games, and we went out to Forest. So 4/5 of the cup runs before Michael joined ended in defeat to lower league opposition. In the 6 since O'Neill arrival only one has resulted in defeat to lower league opposition. I know it maybe doesn't fit your agenda and you are trying to make the thread all about the manager. But all I've listed is facts. You chose to interpret them to be "about the manager" because it doesn't suit your agenda.
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Post by kjpt140v on Aug 12, 2022 22:10:22 GMT
I haven't ever looked at it as a MON thing. I'm just endlessly disappointed at our abject failure to make an impact in either cup competition for the thick end of 50 years. The Pulis FA Cup final and the Hughes League Cup semi-final aside of course. But that's not enough in 100 attempts over that time. For me the annual FA Cup exit never gets any easier. Two cup semi-finals and a League win under Waddington, wonderful days.
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Post by kjpt140v on Aug 12, 2022 22:12:27 GMT
In many ways it is disrespectful to field a 'weakened' team to not only the opposition but to paying fans. OK so nowadays it is called 'a Squad', but surely the best of the squad must be regarded as the First team and the other Reserves. It would in my mind be better to start the game against 'Lesser' sides with our strongest 11, then if we manage to score 2 or 3 goals introduce other players as the game progresses. One can only imagine the disappointment of supporters of Oxford and Bristol Rovers in our '72 cup winning season, if dad had said 'tonight son I'm going to take you to see the best goalkeeper in the World', and we'd played John Farmer instead of Banksy. Also, in our 2nd Div Championship winning season 0f '63, although it was a top of the table clash the 60 odd thousand who went to Stamford Bridge for the game, also thought they might be seeing Stanley Matthews for the last time, which partially boosted the attendance, and I'm sure many would have been disappointed had he not played. This started in earnest with Man Utd,who seemed to dictate to the FA. I do remember Leeds fielding a weaken team,many years ago. They got in big trouble for that one.
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Post by jokker on Aug 12, 2022 22:17:31 GMT
As I already said any discussion after the Morecambe game is unlikely not to mention MON's name once or twice. But the thread is not about bashing MON, for once. There's plenty of messages elsewhere doing that, so I thought it might be different discussing our Stoke City Cup Record. "Goes to show just wrong you can be" (P.F: Sloan). It’s not bashing him, no, it’s defending him You can't convince me that a thread which has bayernoatcake in it is about defending him. Moreover it's not about him especially, as the OP says also.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 12, 2022 22:56:55 GMT
No you said under O’Neil Obviously your not interested in previous years Well yes because I listed cup performances under O'Neill. I also included the below too on previous managers: Before Tuesday the last time we were knocked out by lower league opposition was: Nathan Jones - League Cup v League 2 Crawley (19/20) Gary Rowett - FA Cup v League 1 Shrewsbury (18/19) Mark Hughes - FA Cup v League 2 Coventry (17/18) Mark Hughes - League Cup v championship Bristol City (17/18) Every single cup run from 17/18 to 21/22 is listed here with the exception of 18/19 FA Cup under Rowett. That run lasted 2 games, and we went out to Forest. So 4/5 of the cup runs before Michael joined ended in defeat to lower league opposition. In the 6 since O'Neill arrival only one has resulted in defeat to lower league opposition. I know it maybe doesn't fit your agenda and you are trying to make the thread all about the manager. But all I've listed is facts. You chose to interpret them to be "about the manager" because it doesn't suit your agenda. You: so thought I'd have a look to see how we've faired in cup competitions under Michael. Then in summary, after listing a series of cup games we lost (and none of the ones we won) under previous managers: Youd nearly think that O'Neil has made a habit of losing to lower league opposition in the cup reading on here. I wonder why people think the thread was about the manager 🤔
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Post by Gods on Aug 12, 2022 23:09:56 GMT
I haven't ever looked at it as a MON thing. I'm just endlessly disappointed at our abject failure to make an impact in either cup competition for the thick end of 50 years. The Pulis FA Cup final and the Hughes League Cup semi-final aside of course. But that's not enough in 100 attempts over that time. For me the annual FA Cup exit never gets any easier. Two cup semi-finals and a League win under Waddington, wonderful days. Indeed !
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 13, 2022 7:40:16 GMT
No you said under O’Neil Obviously your not interested in previous years Well yes because I listed cup performances under O'Neill. I also included the below too on previous managers: Before Tuesday the last time we were knocked out by lower league opposition was: Nathan Jones - League Cup v League 2 Crawley (19/20) Gary Rowett - FA Cup v League 1 Shrewsbury (18/19) Mark Hughes - FA Cup v League 2 Coventry (17/18) Mark Hughes - League Cup v championship Bristol City (17/18) Every single cup run from 17/18 to 21/22 is listed here with the exception of 18/19 FA Cup under Rowett. That run lasted 2 games, and we went out to Forest. So 4/5 of the cup runs before Michael joined ended in defeat to lower league opposition. In the 6 since O'Neill arrival only one has resulted in defeat to lower league opposition. I know it maybe doesn't fit your agenda and you are trying to make the thread all about the manager. But all I've listed is facts. You chose to interpret them to be "about the manager" because it doesn't suit your agenda. First of all I don’t have a agenda never have I’m too busy a person to have time for a agenda. You are the one who made this thread about the manager as you said cup run under O’Neill 🤷♀️ All I can say regards what you have said about the cup runs is thank god we have O’Neil as manager😳
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Post by thestatusquo on Aug 13, 2022 7:48:32 GMT
We’ll be with you. Got to number 37 I think
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Post by thevoid on Aug 13, 2022 8:29:31 GMT
Well yes because I listed cup performances under O'Neill. I also included the below too on previous managers: Before Tuesday the last time we were knocked out by lower league opposition was: Nathan Jones - League Cup v League 2 Crawley (19/20) Gary Rowett - FA Cup v League 1 Shrewsbury (18/19) Mark Hughes - FA Cup v League 2 Coventry (17/18) Mark Hughes - League Cup v championship Bristol City (17/18) Every single cup run from 17/18 to 21/22 is listed here with the exception of 18/19 FA Cup under Rowett. That run lasted 2 games, and we went out to Forest. So 4/5 of the cup runs before Michael joined ended in defeat to lower league opposition. In the 6 since O'Neill arrival only one has resulted in defeat to lower league opposition. I know it maybe doesn't fit your agenda and you are trying to make the thread all about the manager. But all I've listed is facts. You chose to interpret them to be "about the manager" because it doesn't suit your agenda. You: so thought I'd have a look to see how we've faired in cup competitions under Michael. Then in summary, after listing a series of cup games we lost (and none of the ones we won) under previous managers: Youd nearly think that O'Neil has made a habit of losing to lower league opposition in the cup reading on here. I wonder why people think the thread was about the manager 🤔 GAWA's clearly one of those who would like M&S to bring back the St Michael range 😉
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