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Post by iglugluk on Aug 10, 2022 12:21:29 GMT
So you are saying this thread is ironic? Very subtle if that's the case and requiring knowledge of mozzer's previous opinions as context. Yes mate I'll take your word for it, then. Seems to have been so undetectable that almost no one noticed hence the genuine discussion it has provoked
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 10, 2022 12:50:14 GMT
You're right, he keeps his job whatever but there is pressure on him to get a result. He should be feeling it. I can't agree. Three games into a season isn't really pressure territory for these owners. I don't see he'll be under any more or less than normal. Bottom 6 in November would be a different story He's under pressure from the fans and should be under his own personal pride pressure which I'm sure he is. The owners don't know what day it is.
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Post by theonlooker on Aug 10, 2022 12:53:08 GMT
I can't agree. Three games into a season isn't really pressure territory for these owners. I don't see he'll be under any more or less than normal. Bottom 6 in November would be a different story He's under pressure from the fans and should be under his own personal pride pressure which I'm sure he is. The owners don't know what day it is. So, no more or less than normal then...
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Post by pulismaskreplica on Aug 10, 2022 12:53:27 GMT
You're right, he keeps his job whatever but there is pressure on him to get a result. He should be feeling it. I can't agree. Three games into a season isn't really pressure territory for these owners. I don't see he'll be under any more or less than normal. Bottom 6 in November would be a different story I agree that 3 games in isn’t pressure territory but I’d also argue that bottom 6 in November or December or January won’t make a difference either
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 10, 2022 12:56:59 GMT
What is the standard of proof for decisions in cricket. Adam Hose was stumped last night and every angle left an element of doubt some part of his foot was behind the line. The third umpire sounded very unsure but still gave him out. The onfield umpire had not given him out. Confusing. The bat or some part of the foot has to grounded behind line, I think it was fair to say from the angles no part of the foot was grounded. The foot was definitely grounded but no part of it could be seen to be behind the line but I thought the angles left some doubt and the third umpire didn’t sound too sure either. I always thought the benefit of any doubt went to the batsman but he gave him out even though he sounded unsure to me working on probability as in not of the angles showed a part of the foot behind the line so there probably wasn’t any. Too close to call for me so should have been not out. Don’t think it would have affected the result though.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 10, 2022 16:11:03 GMT
Bit early to say that innit??? Give it 10 or 12 games, then let's see!!! But are people on here going do that? Well personally, I'd have got rid during the summer, but it doesn't matter what anybody thinks, at least 10 or 12 games is what he's gonna get!!! However, 3 games in is a bit ridiculous to say its a good start, especially as the outcome to two of our opening three games have been a loss!!!
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Post by questionable on Aug 10, 2022 16:29:55 GMT
Whatever opinions we have it’s still turgid shit football and exactly the same as a vast majority of the last two seasons.
Why should we give him a few more months, he’s an absolute crap manager and I honestly could do better and if somehow I could lure Bayern in as my number 2 100% we’d be pushing for both Domestic and European silverware, trust me.
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Post by Picasso on Aug 10, 2022 16:39:46 GMT
Whatever opinions we have it’s still turgid shit football and exactly the same as a vast majority of the last two seasons. Why should we give him a few more months, he’s an absolute crap manager and I honestly could do better and if somehow I could lure Bayern in as my number 2 100% we’d be pushing for both Domestic and European silverware, trust me. 🏆🏆🏆 Surely you’d be number 2 to Bayern. Surely!
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Post by NassauDave on Aug 10, 2022 16:54:49 GMT
On balance I think stoke are going to have a decent season, I know what you are thinking ........ but we have lost one, won one and drawn one and that for me suggests MON has a good balance, he seems to be making a good go of this season actually achieving every result scenario available to the team so far...I know we actually lost against Morecombe on pens but over the duration of play we drew the game and were unlucky to lose in the manner that we did in not scoring as many Pennos as Morecombe. Onwards and upwards, in MON we trust. Thanks Mrs. O'Neil.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 10, 2022 17:01:05 GMT
Some say 10 games is a good indicator, but I have feeling the family will only give him 6 league games if the results are realy poor.
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 10, 2022 17:07:51 GMT
Some say 10 games is a good indicator, but I have feeling the family will only give him 6 league games if the results are realy poor. I suspect if he gets a couple of draws in then he'll only be under pressure, I reckon they'll give him more time than that.
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Post by enuntio on Aug 10, 2022 17:11:53 GMT
10 more points by the end of the month will be a good start.
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Post by mozzer on Aug 10, 2022 17:15:50 GMT
On balance I think stoke are going to have a decent season, I know what you are thinking ........ but we have lost one, won one and drawn one and that for me suggests MON has a good balance, he seems to be making a good go of this season actually achieving every result scenario available to the team so far...I know we actually lost against Morecombe on pens but over the duration of play we drew the game and were unlucky to lose in the manner that we did in not scoring as many Pennos as Morecombe. Onwards and upwards, in MON we trust. Thanks Mrs. O'Neil. God bless you my child
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Post by gawa on Aug 10, 2022 17:19:35 GMT
On balance I think stoke are going to have a decent season, I know what you are thinking ........ but we have lost one, won one and drawn one and that for me suggests MON has a good balance, he seems to be making a good go of this season actually achieving every result scenario available to the team so far...I know we actually lost against Morecombe on pens but over the duration of play we drew the game and were unlucky to lose in the manner that we did in not scoring as many Pennos as Morecombe. Onwards and upwards, in MON we trust. Thanks Mrs. O'Neil. That's me you dosser!
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Post by theonlooker on Aug 10, 2022 17:22:27 GMT
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Post by gawa on Aug 10, 2022 17:27:49 GMT
Of yes of course. Colin Murray
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 10, 2022 17:28:40 GMT
League fizzy drinks cup is totally irrelevant as we saw with the Champ teams tonight. Too many games as it is and said 307 times on here already, becoming less relevant every year. We missed out on a home game v a reserve team with 1 stand open. So was it fizzy drinks cup in 72
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Post by jokker on Aug 10, 2022 17:49:47 GMT
I didn't watch last night, so I'm unqualified to comment on the game itself, but purely from a result's point of view I would suggest that this is one more nail in O'Neill's coffin. The board has as good as admitted that while a play off conversation would be nice there is no ultimatum. This really invites a midtable position as O'Neill's still safe in the job no matter what. This does mean however that the team should do well in cups, no ultimatum to win silverware, but the cups should give the supporters something to be cheerful about and look forward to, and now there's one less thing to look forward to. The team selection suggested that O'Neill took it somewhat seriously, more the half'n'half selection than a complete overhauled rotation. To not score against vastly inferior opposition suggests however that he didn't relate to the player any "must win" approach. His last words before sending the team out might have been 'relex, have some fun'.
I don't know how many more chances O'Neill can get . I see people are saying that cups don't matter, and for sure the Caraboa matters less, but a number of previous Stoke managers actually did get the sack after an embarrassing cup defeat.
I'm not advocating that he should go and certainly not after three games. But his post-match interview, which sounded as if Stoke had won 5-0, suggests to me that he is out of touch with reality and that the board's well meant support has come to give him a false sense of security.
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Post by jokker on Aug 10, 2022 17:52:53 GMT
Some say 10 games is a good indicator, but I have feeling the family will only give him 6 league games if the results are realy poor. Are you in touch with your feelings?
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Post by jokker on Aug 11, 2022 4:19:58 GMT
U mad great start is laughable average millwall team average Blackpool team your standards must be low this team can be top six with a attacking positive manager or foreign manager but this dinosaur and is backroom wont get is no where near Considering we're a well below average team ourselves we have to take a win and more importantly a good performance early in the season as positive signs, but that's about it. When we've won 2 out of 3 for the first 15 games then we can start talking about not fighting relegation for a while.
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Post by jokker on Aug 11, 2022 4:23:09 GMT
Yep, excellent start, the sooner we can eliminate ourselves from contention in the only 3 competitions we take part in the better. Looking forward to the FA Cup round 3 exit in January against non-league Bideford already! 😃 Quite right - we should just stick to training! Mind you we'd probably lose at that too 😂 Yeah we'll lose against ourselves in training...mind you who then will be the winner?
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Post by jokker on Aug 11, 2022 4:25:28 GMT
I cant say I think its a great start by any stretch. We should have beaten Blackpool....We did!, Away at Millwall was always tough first game and so it proved As for last night, i wouldn't get too carried away with that result, we had 70% possession, 19 shots to their 3 but it just wouldn't go in. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't . Id be a lot more worried if they had the lions share of possession and they had 19 shots but actually the signs are not that bad in my opinion Onward's and upwards, we will beat the Udders and Gayle/Brown will click It's the amount of sometimes they don't that means it's not sometimes anymore. It's the normal for us.
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Post by tcflincoln on Aug 11, 2022 8:19:39 GMT
Can someone please send Mrs Dyche a 24 piece dinner service. A long shot I admit but worth a try.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 11, 2022 8:27:12 GMT
I wouldn't say it's a great start to the season, but if we average 3 points every 2 league games for the rest of the season, we'll finish on 69 points, which will be 7 more than last season.
Assuming Powell and Souttar come back fit and firing after the World Cup, and that we avoid other major long-term injuries, I would be disappointed in that.
We should have beaten Morecambe with all the chances created, and they showed nothing, so that was just one of those games.
We could have lost the Blackpool game in a similar fashion we've lost other games we should have won over the past two years, but I do think we've shown enough to challenge for and hopefully finish in the playoffs. There are one or two signings to come before the transfer deadline. If everything comes together and we have a bit of luck, there's even a chance of automatic promotion...
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Post by st3mark on Aug 11, 2022 14:01:34 GMT
I'm far from thrilled to have been knocked out to Morcambe.
But on the plus side we haven't conceded a shot on target since the first match.
Slightly concerned that we have created a lot of attempts at goal over the last two matches and between Campbell, Brown and Gayle there has only been one goal scored. Early days though and still think we've put a decent enough team together on the £0 transfer budget provided.
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Post by jokker on Aug 11, 2022 14:13:23 GMT
I wouldn't say it's a great start to the season, but if we average 3 points every 2 league games for the rest of the season, we'll finish on 69 points, which will be 7 more than last season. Assuming Powell and Souttar come back fit and firing after the World Cup, and that we avoid other major long-term injuries, I would be disappointed in that. We should have beaten Morecambe with all the chances created, and they showed nothing, so that was just one of those games. We could have lost the Blackpool game in a similar fashion we've lost other games we should have won over the past two years, but I do think we've shown enough to challenge for and hopefully finish in the playoffs. There are one or two signings to come before the transfer deadline. If everything comes together and we have a bit of luck, there's even a chance of automatic promotion... We can't rely on the promise of those getting back. With Powell it's gonna be a worry if he manages to stay fit long enough to be a substantial influence, and with Souttar theres' a big question mark if he's going to be an influence at all this season, if he's going to take as long as Campbell, Allen et al to return to what they were before injury. Campbell still hasn't quite accomplished it, Allen never really was the same. If Souttar does regain full fitness and quality, he's got to be looking for a move at his age. It's the men we have now we have to rely on to do the business, and from reports and messages on here it would seem that the new bodies have already assumed the traditional Stoke lethargy...
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 11, 2022 15:14:33 GMT
I wouldn't say it's a great start to the season, but if we average 3 points every 2 league games for the rest of the season, we'll finish on 69 points, which will be 7 more than last season. Assuming Powell and Souttar come back fit and firing after the World Cup, and that we avoid other major long-term injuries, I would be disappointed in that. We should have beaten Morecambe with all the chances created, and they showed nothing, so that was just one of those games. We could have lost the Blackpool game in a similar fashion we've lost other games we should have won over the past two years, but I do think we've shown enough to challenge for and hopefully finish in the playoffs. There are one or two signings to come before the transfer deadline. If everything comes together and we have a bit of luck, there's even a chance of automatic promotion... We can't rely on the promise of those getting back. With Powell it's gonna be a worry if he manages to stay fit long enough to be a substantial influence, and with Souttar theres' a big question mark if he's going to be an influence at all this season, if he's going to take as long as Campbell, Allen et al to return to what they were before injury. Campbell still hasn't quite accomplished it, Allen never really was the same. If Souttar does regain full fitness and quality, he's got to be looking for a move at his age. It's the men we have now we have to rely on to do the business, and from reports and messages on here it would seem that the new bodies have already assumed the traditional Stoke lethargy... I agree we can't rely on them coming back. But Powell hadn't had injury issues for around 5 years until last season, and a fractured leg is a pretty major injury. Souttar is great at reading and anticipating play, so he won't lose that. Campbell relies much more on pace, so I don't think the injuries are that comparable.
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Post by jokker on Aug 11, 2022 16:18:00 GMT
We can't rely on the promise of those getting back. With Powell it's gonna be a worry if he manages to stay fit long enough to be a substantial influence, and with Souttar theres' a big question mark if he's going to be an influence at all this season, if he's going to take as long as Campbell, Allen et al to return to what they were before injury. Campbell still hasn't quite accomplished it, Allen never really was the same. If Souttar does regain full fitness and quality, he's got to be looking for a move at his age. It's the men we have now we have to rely on to do the business, and from reports and messages on here it would seem that the new bodies have already assumed the traditional Stoke lethargy... I agree we can't rely on them coming back. But Powell hadn't had injury issues for around 5 years until last season, and a fractured leg is a pretty major injury. Souttar is great at reading and anticipating play, so he won't lose that. Campbell relies much more on pace, so I don't think the injuries are that comparable. You're right, except for one thing for both. Powell has actually had lots of niggling injuries throughout his career, and they all take their toll and dmake it harder to come back, to reach the high level of quality he's shown at times for us. He has a brilliant football mind when in the mood, but it's not always he's in the mood. Souttar's injury recuperation seems to drag on, a great worry in my opinion.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 11, 2022 17:29:59 GMT
I agree we can't rely on them coming back. But Powell hadn't had injury issues for around 5 years until last season, and a fractured leg is a pretty major injury. Souttar is great at reading and anticipating play, so he won't lose that. Campbell relies much more on pace, so I don't think the injuries are that comparable. You're right, except for one thing for both. Powell has actually had lots of niggling injuries throughout his career, and they all take their toll and dmake it harder to come back, to reach the high level of quality he's shown at times for us. He has a brilliant football mind when in the mood, but it's not always he's in the mood. Souttar's injury recuperation seems to drag on, a great worry in my opinion. Powell had been fit for close to 100% of games in the previous few seasons before last. Also, he hasn't played anywhere near as many games as someone of his age and career length often would, because he barely got in the first team at Man Utd. I don't get it when folk say Powell sometimes isn't in the mood either. Sometimes what he does just doesn't come off, or his teammates aren't on the same wavelength - at least what I've seen since he came to Stoke. He always seems up for games as far as I can tell, but sometimes he does get frustrated if things aren't going his way. Souttar's injury hasn't dragged on. Initially he was still expected to be out by now, but fast progress led to optimism that he would be ready for August, and that hasn't come off. He's still due back much sooner than the worst case scenario.
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