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Post by gawa on Jul 31, 2022 18:45:17 GMT
A while ago there was a guy who used to post statistics over a timeline during Michael Oneils tenure. I believe they may have showed xG v xGA amongst other statistics. And maybe compared those results to the actual score lines to, to show if we were over or under performing etc.
Any chance someone could produce something like this again. I seen a post yesterday which showed we've had alot of games in the last 12 months with low xG.
So would be nice to see a visual representation of how we look compared to 1, 2 and 3 years ago.
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Post by stokiemac on Jul 31, 2022 18:50:06 GMT
The Fotmob app is great for this stuff, if you go on league and team stats you can cycle back through the last few years too
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Jul 31, 2022 18:57:51 GMT
A while ago there was a guy who used to post statistics over a timeline during Michael Oneils tenure. I believe they may have showed xG v xGA amongst other statistics. And maybe compared those results to the actual score lines to, to show if we were over or under performing etc. Any chance someone could produce something like this again. I seen a post yesterday which showed we've had alot of games in the last 12 months with low xG. So would be nice to see a visual representation of how we look compared to 1, 2 and 3 years ago. ? |
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Post by gawa on Jul 31, 2022 19:12:47 GMT
The Fotmob app is great for this stuff, if you go on league and team stats you can cycle back through the last few years too Will give it a look. Thanks mate I can find singular stats for certain games online but struggling to find anything that shows it in a timeline. And a bit too lazy to attempt to gather the data and produce something myself lol |
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Post by tachyon on Jul 31, 2022 19:39:13 GMT
10 game rolling xG for each season and then as a 10 game rolling xG from the Barnsley 4-2 game until yesterday. There's a playoff winning run in there, it's just not fallen over a 46 game season yet. Attachment DeletedBlue bits are where we're creating more xG than we're allowing. Orange bits are where we're being out "scored" on xG. |
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Post by gawa on Jul 31, 2022 20:00:56 GMT
tachyon how do I find this stuff on infogel? Do they produce the graphs and all for you?
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Post by nonameface on Jul 31, 2022 20:02:27 GMT
10 game rolling xG for each season and then as a 10 game rolling xG from the Barnsley 4-2 game until yesterday. There's a playoff winning run in there, it's just not fallen over a 46 game season yet. View AttachmentBlue bits are where we're creating more xG than we're allowing. Orange bits are where we're being out "scored" on xG. Wonder what we were doing differently in those games and if the availability of key players has had a big impact. |
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Post by str8outtahampton on Jul 31, 2022 20:12:04 GMT
The real question is of course - is tachyon a Stokie? Or does he/she spread his/her charms more widely? Whatever the answer, he/she should clearly be part of our crack recruitment team. By which I obviously mean, not that our recruitment team is first class. But it's on crack. |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jul 31, 2022 20:12:49 GMT
The real question is of course - is tachyon a Stokie? Or does he/she spread his/her charms more widely? Whatever the answer, he/she should clearly be part of our crack recruitment team. By which I obviously mean, not that our recruitment team is first class. But it's on crack. I’m assuming tachyon works in football. |
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Post by gawa on Jul 31, 2022 20:17:21 GMT
10 game rolling xG for each season and then as a 10 game rolling xG from the Barnsley 4-2 game until yesterday. There's a playoff winning run in there, it's just not fallen over a 46 game season yet. View AttachmentBlue bits are where we're creating more xG than we're allowing. Orange bits are where we're being out "scored" on xG. Wonder what we were doing differently in those games and if the availability of key players has had a big impact. I think a key thing to remember when analysing it is that it shows a 10 game rolling average at each point. So that season long period where its blue, it doesn't mean we should have won every game, just that our form showed we were consistently expected to outscore our opponents and comfortable win more than we lose. Since that golden spell you can see that we're expected to concede more and expected to score less. The blue spell ends when Souttar got injured I'd guess but I'd say that's just one of many things Contributing. For example Souttar shouldn't have much impact on our expected goals. Lastly I think it's also important to remember that this is expected rather than actual goals. If you were to compare actual to expected you could probably derive periods where we are playing better than expected and worse than expected. Lucky v unlucky. Or clinical v careless. Anyway Im just a bit of a stats nerd so this stuff interests me. I'd like to look into shots for v shots against too for example to see if we're still cresting and conceding as many chances as before but either not taking them or not producing quality chances. Anyway I'm rambling now. |
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Post by tachyon on Aug 1, 2022 9:08:48 GMT
tachyon how do I find this stuff on infogel? Do they produce the graphs and all for you? Hi mate, I model the data for Infogol, so I pull the Stoke stuff from our internal database. Infogol is used to power the Sporting Life/Skybet/Betfair football coverage, so our content guys tend to use the plots as and when. We don't produce a dedicated Championship preview, but we have one for the Premier League and that has all the rolling xG plots for all 20 teams. SL PL GuideI can post up our in house plots and graphics, but unfortunately I can't post csv files of the data. We've got game by game xG data for a variety of leagues on the app & the website, but along with everyone else we don't post easily accessible rolling data. Here's the detailed xG for/against for the last ten games, with a mini viz covering the last 47 matches along the bottom.  |
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Post by skip on Aug 1, 2022 14:24:41 GMT
tachyon how do I find this stuff on infogel? Do they produce the graphs and all for you? Hi mate, I model the data for Infogol, so I pull the Stoke stuff from our internal database. Infogol is used to power the Sporting Life/Skybet/Betfair football coverage, so our content guys tend to use the plots as and when. We don't produce a dedicated Championship preview, but we have one for the Premier League and that has all the rolling xG plots for all 20 teams. SL PL GuideI can post up our in house plots and graphics, but unfortunately I can't post csv files of the data. We've got game by game xG data for a variety of leagues on the app & the website, but along with everyone else we don't post easily accessible rolling data. Here's the detailed xG for/against for the last ten games, with a mini viz covering the last 47 matches along the bottom. View AttachmentLove you input on here. Remind me again please how or why the xG is calculated and how it is now considered a useful pre-game indicator of the likelihood of a final score? |
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Post by tachyon on Aug 3, 2022 6:41:02 GMT
Love you input on here. Remind me again please how or why the xG is calculated and how it is now considered a useful pre-game indicator of the likelihood of a final score? It’s process verses outcome. XG measures the process, how likely an event is to happen in the long term based on historical data of what happened in the past over a large sample of similar scenarios. The outcome is how often it did happen in the short term. Outcome doesn’t always tally perfectly with process. It’s like tossing a coin 10 times and not always getting five heads and five tails. You can have a run of negative or positive variance that makes your scoring/conceding look better/worse than your underlying process, but going forward, your outcome will tend towards your process. Rolling xG is a measure of a side’s underlying wellbeing that is more predictive of future actual performance than using past actual performance. Long term, you get, more or less, what you deserve. Short term you can end up 3rd with a so so process, like Huddersfield last season. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 3, 2022 7:49:10 GMT
10 game rolling xG for each season and then as a 10 game rolling xG from the Barnsley 4-2 game until yesterday. There's a playoff winning run in there, it's just not fallen over a 46 game season yet. View AttachmentBlue bits are where we're creating more xG than we're allowing. Orange bits are where we're being out "scored" on xG. Unfortunately MON seems intent on creating a thin blue line and eradicating the thick ones. From a fans perspective the thicker blue ones indicate more exciting football. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 3, 2022 8:17:03 GMT
10 game rolling xG for each season and then as a 10 game rolling xG from the Barnsley 4-2 game until yesterday. There's a playoff winning run in there, it's just not fallen over a 46 game season yet. View AttachmentBlue bits are where we're creating more xG than we're allowing. Orange bits are where we're being out "scored" on xG. So worth sticking with in your opinion mate or time for a change? |
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 3, 2022 8:32:35 GMT
tachyon how do I find this stuff on infogel? Do they produce the graphs and all for you? Hi mate, I model the data for Infogol, so I pull the Stoke stuff from our internal database. Infogol is used to power the Sporting Life/Skybet/Betfair football coverage, so our content guys tend to use the plots as and when. We don't produce a dedicated Championship preview, but we have one for the Premier League and that has all the rolling xG plots for all 20 teams. SL PL GuideI can post up our in house plots and graphics, but unfortunately I can't post csv files of the data. We've got game by game xG data for a variety of leagues on the app & the website, but along with everyone else we don't post easily accessible rolling data. Here's the detailed xG for/against for the last ten games, with a mini viz covering the last 47 matches along the bottom. View AttachmentMorning tachyon, Are Infogol stats based around xG and xA only, or does it provide Progressive Carry and Progressive Passes data as well? I note the website provides xG stats, but wasn’t sure if there was a wider database available to subscribers. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 3, 2022 8:38:32 GMT
10 game rolling xG for each season and then as a 10 game rolling xG from the Barnsley 4-2 game until yesterday. There's a playoff winning run in there, it's just not fallen over a 46 game season yet. View AttachmentBlue bits are where we're creating more xG than we're allowing. Orange bits are where we're being out "scored" on xG. So worth sticking with in your opinion mate or time for a change? How can anyone say? There’s definitely some decent stuff there where we’re a decent chunk better than our opponents. Unfortunately the direction of travel and the managers fascination seems to be either us being marginally better than the opposition or them being marginally better than us basically strangling the games. |
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Post by J-Roar on Aug 3, 2022 10:56:20 GMT
So worth sticking with in your opinion mate or time for a change? How can anyone say? There’s definitely some decent stuff there where we’re a decent chunk better than our opponents. Unfortunately the direction of travel and the managers fascination seems to be either us being marginally better than the opposition or them being marginally better than us basically strangling the games. Given our historic bad luck, relying on fine margins isn't for us! |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 3, 2022 11:17:01 GMT
How can anyone say? There’s definitely some decent stuff there where we’re a decent chunk better than our opponents. Unfortunately the direction of travel and the managers fascination seems to be either us being marginally better than the opposition or them being marginally better than us basically strangling the games. Given our historic bad luck, relying on fine margins isn't for us! It's deliberately dull and that really pisses me off. |
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Post by gawa on Sept 1, 2022 10:45:19 GMT
tachyon do you have any access to distance covered stats for the championship? Be interested to know how we compare for sprints and distance covered to other teams in the championship.
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