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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 30, 2022 20:24:57 GMT
Massive game next week.
Surely he has to make changes.
If he goes with 5 at the back against a very average team then it really is time to give up.
We really need to take it to them next week and go with a more attacking lineup. Please no more Clucas.
With a bit of luck we’ll have Delap which could make a big difference. If not I’d go with
Bursic
Clarke
Taylor
Jagielka
Tymon
Baker
Kilkenny
Laurent
Smallbone
Brown
Gayle
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 30, 2022 20:26:41 GMT
How many chances does he get.
He should be fired tonight
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Post by werrington on Jul 30, 2022 20:28:40 GMT
The personnel isn’t the issue
It’s the manager
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Post by gawa on Jul 30, 2022 20:31:13 GMT
I'd love to see
Bursik
Clarke
Taylor
Jags
Tymon
Baker
Laurent
Smallbone
Brown
Gayle
Campbell
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Post by neddy on Jul 30, 2022 20:32:42 GMT
I'd love to see Bursik Clarke Taylor Jags Tymon Baker Laurent Smallbone Brown Gayle Campbell Hoping Delap for Brown but would go with that…. |
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Post by gawa on Jul 30, 2022 20:36:19 GMT
I'd love to see Bursik Clarke Taylor Jags Tymon Baker Laurent Smallbone Brown Gayle Campbell Hoping Delap for Brown but would go with that…. I think if you play a formation like this though you need your wide forwards to be tracking back a bit too. And I think Brown would offer the most in terms of work rate and defence duties too. |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Jul 30, 2022 20:37:41 GMT
Have we even tried a different system in pre season? I think the answer is no, and that in itself it's ridiculous.
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Post by werrington on Jul 30, 2022 20:50:19 GMT
People are getting hung up about who plays up front
The ball never gets that far so it’s totally irrelevant
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2022 20:53:09 GMT
The team I’d go for is:
Bursik
Clarke Taylor Jagielka Tymon
Baker Laurent
Campbell Smallbone DWP
Gayle
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 30, 2022 20:53:38 GMT
Can't see anything but another defeat, especially with Blackpool winning today.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 30, 2022 20:54:50 GMT
The team I’d go for is: Bursik Clarke Taylor Jagielka Tymon Baker Laurent Campbell Smallbone DWP Gayle That looks more balanced than today's shit show. But I still think we will lose. |
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Post by Fred Merger on Jul 30, 2022 21:03:05 GMT
Bowler ran us ragged last season in the corresponding fixture. Arguing about forward options is irrelevant unless we sort out the defensive issues that we have regarding set pieces. As George Graham stated with his Arsenal team that any successful side is built from the back first. When he took both Dixon & Bould from us in the late eighties. Unless you win 4-3 every week you have to deal with your goalkeeper and backline first. Bursik had a better game today but is still in my opinion suspect. MON really needs to address these issues otherwise he faces oblivion and quickly.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jul 30, 2022 21:35:19 GMT
MON will not change the formation he WILL stick with a back 5 but probably make 5 changes FFS! Gouranga.  |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 30, 2022 21:50:11 GMT
Bowler ran us ragged last season in the corresponding fixture. Arguing about forward options is irrelevant unless we sort out the defensive issues that we have regarding set pieces. As George Graham stated with his Arsenal team that any successful side is built from the back first. When he took both Dixon & Bould from us in the late eighties. Unless you win 4-3 every week you have to deal with your goalkeeper and backline first. Bursik had a better game today but is still in my opinion suspect. MON really needs to address these issues otherwise he faces oblivion and quickly. That's about the same mentality the club is run on trying to emulate George Graham's Arsenal and doing it badly. Football is totally different now if you don't score goals you will fail. Instead of reminising about Geoge Graham maybe they should look at Jurgen Klopp's Liverpool. Get your team scoring goals and work out how to keep the back door shut as best as possible. Our whole downward spiral has been characterised with different managers trying to create this miserly defence. Wake up it's 2022 not 1988. |
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Post by Gods on Jul 30, 2022 22:36:56 GMT
I think we will win this one.
Blackpool at home is an easier match than Millwall away.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Jul 30, 2022 22:40:52 GMT
The personnel isn’t the issue It’s the manager It's massively the personnel. The fact that 70% of them are being played on positions that aren't their best isn't their fault however |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jul 30, 2022 22:56:36 GMT
I think we will win this one. Blackpool at home is an easier match than Millwall away. I’ll have a pint of what you’re on |
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Post by thevoid on Jul 31, 2022 0:26:15 GMT
I think we will win this one. Blackpool at home is an easier match than Millwall away. Our home record v Blackpool is atrocious |
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Post by Fred Merger on Jul 31, 2022 0:31:08 GMT
Bowler ran us ragged last season in the corresponding fixture. Arguing about forward options is irrelevant unless we sort out the defensive issues that we have regarding set pieces. As George Graham stated with his Arsenal team that any successful side is built from the back first. When he took both Dixon & Bould from us in the late eighties. Unless you win 4-3 every week you have to deal with your goalkeeper and backline first. Bursik had a better game today but is still in my opinion suspect. MON really needs to address these issues otherwise he faces oblivion and quickly. That's about the same mentality the club is run on trying to emulate George Graham's Arsenal and doing it badly. Football is totally different now if you don't score goals you will fail. Instead of reminising about Geoge Graham maybe they should look at Jurgen Klopp's Liverpool. Get your team scoring goals and work out how to keep the back door shut as best as possible. Our whole downward spiral has been characterised with different managers trying to create this miserly defence. Wake up it's 2022 not 1988. What absolute bollocks 😆 |
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Post by premiershipteamfor10years on Jul 31, 2022 6:42:50 GMT
Massive game next week. Surely he has to make changes. If he goes with 5 at the back against a very average team then it really is time to give up. We really need to take it to them next week and go with a more attacking lineup. Please no more Clucas. With a bit of luck we’ll have Delap which could make a big difference. If not I’d go with Bursic Clarke Taylor Jagielka Tymon Baker Kilkenny Laurent Smallbone Brown Gayle Totally agree with this set up. Why MON persists with 3 central defenders which clearly doesn’t work for us god only knows. We have good enough players to get into the playoffs. MON has to change the system or needs to go prompto. |
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Post by neddy on Jul 31, 2022 6:52:41 GMT
Massive game next week. Surely he has to make changes. If he goes with 5 at the back against a very average team then it really is time to give up. We really need to take it to them next week and go with a more attacking lineup. Please no more Clucas. With a bit of luck we’ll have Delap which could make a big difference. If not I’d go with Bursic Clarke Taylor Jagielka Tymon Baker Kilkenny Laurent Smallbone Brown Gayle Totally agree with this set up. Why MON persists with 3 central defenders which clearly doesn’t work for us god only knows. We have good enough players to get into the playoffs. MON has to change the system or needs to go prompto. I agree with this and just can’t see given we haven’t got the target man that we didn’t at least try this formation in one of the friendly games? I wish that could have been asked the other evening? |
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Post by andystokey on Jul 31, 2022 7:00:44 GMT
3 at the back isnt the problem fundementally it's the personnel we play there. Flint yesterday was a poor version of Danny Baath when Souttar plays he carries the ball and pushes up. Flint isn't skillful enough and Jags is too old. We have no left footer on one side and Wilmot is being hung out to dry there. The failure causes the 3 to turn to 5 with the slightest press.
He also has abjectly failed to attract a proper RWB even though we have been playing this system for nearly 4 years. So even though we aren't short of RCB that side repeatedly collapses backwards because their LB and MF have nothing to worry about.
Sadly now we have virtually no real width to play with 4 at the back higher up the pitch.
At the tail end of last season I kept saying that we were taking a massive gamble allowing a manager, on a downward trajectory, to replace all the players out of contract in this once in a four year rebuild.
Until Souttar returns, we get a LCB a RWB and a hold up forward we are pretty much in a hole with this system until he leaves.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 31, 2022 7:54:11 GMT
That's about the same mentality the club is run on trying to emulate George Graham's Arsenal and doing it badly. Football is totally different now if you don't score goals you will fail. Instead of reminising about Geoge Graham maybe they should look at Jurgen Klopp's Liverpool. Get your team scoring goals and work out how to keep the back door shut as best as possible. Our whole downward spiral has been characterised with different managers trying to create this miserly defence. Wake up it's 2022 not 1988. What absolute bollocks 😆 You’d obviously think so it doesn’t match with your outdated views. |
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Post by fraybentos on Jul 31, 2022 8:10:24 GMT
People are getting hung up about who plays up front The ball never gets that far so it’s totally irrelevant Pretty much sums us up |
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 31, 2022 8:17:46 GMT
I think making changes could be a problem too. He’s abit damned if he does damned if he doesn’t now.
But 5 changes every week isn’t how you build a winning side.
Jags for Flint
Smallbone for clucas
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Post by Gods on Jul 31, 2022 8:18:49 GMT
I think we will win this one. Blackpool at home is an easier match than Millwall away. Our home record v Blackpool is atrocious Yep it true, I still think we'll start slight favourites, more than capable of losing it though! |
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Post by andystokey on Jul 31, 2022 8:24:49 GMT
I think making changes could be a problem too. He’s abit damned if he does damned if he doesn’t now. But 5 changes every week isn’t how you build a winning side. Jags for Flint Smallbone for clucas I think he was thinking Flint would offer more physicality at Millwall and help on set pieces. Well that really wasn't the case, so I have no idea what good he is if he's not offering those two things. As the middle CB he completely destroyed the philosophy of a 3 with his hoofs up the pitch to no one. Perhaps Jags might be able to deal with Blackpool and play some football. If not it's a long spell until September/October and Souttars return. I think I'd rather see Matt Clarke arrive more than Delap right now the defence is a bloody mess. |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Jul 31, 2022 8:26:36 GMT
WE WANT BOOZE MAN OUT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 31, 2022 9:34:46 GMT
Of we can somehow get Delap in
Bursik
Clarke
Taylor
Jagielka
Tymon
Kilkenny
Baker
Smallbone
Laurent
Campbell
Delap
Subs - Bonham, Wilmot, Flint, Thompson, Brown, DWP, Gayle,
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Post by shrewspotter on Jul 31, 2022 9:40:02 GMT
I'd love to see Bursik Clarke Taylor Jags Tymon Baker Laurent Smallbone Brown Gayle Campbell that's the exact side of go with Ditch the bloody 5 at the back at home to a poor side who have over achieved and go into the game confident If he plays 5 at the back to these I'll despair |
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