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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 10, 2022 11:22:43 GMT
"Nothing" in terms of space implies that there has to be something for there to be nothing in it. What was that "something" in which an infinitely dense tiny ball of matter went bang in to start our universe? It can’t have been nothing or that tiny ball of matter wouldn’t have existed. Would it? As you say it’s all mind boggling and nobody seems to be able to explain it in layman’s terms. I even find the process of hitting Dimorphos, an orbiting piece of rock 160 meters long and 6.5 million miles away, pretty mind boggling tbh. I think even that is confusing, because it's a slightly different acceptance of what nothing is! I get your definition, about their needing to be something for nothing to make sense, but you have to try (and it's brain-frying to do so!) to get your head around there being literally nothing: no time, no space and then that 'thing' that came into being creates time and space and also the 'nothing' that fits your definition! It's enough to make your brain hurt! I think the fundamental problem is that our brains don't allow us not to think of a 'before'...and you can't do that in this case! On your last point the Mrs thinks that our brains are somehow conditioned to stop processing stuff about space, beginning of the universe, distance and time etc.  |
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Dec 10, 2022 11:27:27 GMT
"Nothing" in terms of space implies that there has to be something for there to be nothing in it. What was that "something" in which an infinitely dense tiny ball of matter went bang in to start our universe? It can’t have been nothing or that tiny ball of matter wouldn’t have existed. Would it? As you say it’s all mind boggling and nobody seems to be able to explain it in layman’s terms. I even find the process of hitting Dimorphos, an orbiting piece of rock 160 meters long and 6.5 million miles away, pretty mind boggling tbh. I think even that is confusing, because it's a slightly different acceptance of what nothing is! I get your definition, about their needing to be something for nothing to make sense, but you have to try (and it's brain-frying to do so!) to get your head around there being literally nothing: no time, no space and then that 'thing' that came into being creates time and space and also the 'nothing' that fits your definition! It's enough to make your brain hurt! I think the fundamental problem is that our brains don't allow us not to think of a 'before'...and you can't do that in this case! Add to that, as far as we know the whole damn thing is currently expanding into that same "nothingness." I have a feeling this is a question no one or no thing will ever figure out, because if we do or it does, it just raise the next question of how did that "something where our cosmos originate from" come about and now we're back to square one, and so on and so on. Turtles all the way down as they say. |
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Post by musik on Dec 10, 2022 12:31:57 GMT
Clue: think of a raspberry.
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 10, 2022 15:28:28 GMT
Clue: think of a raspberry. 👽👽👽 The fart noise you make with your lips? Next time I'm at a NASA meeting I'll make sure to contribute that and see if it shakes something loose. |
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Post by musik on Dec 10, 2022 16:46:06 GMT
Clue: think of a raspberry. 👽👽👽 The fart noise you make with your lips? Next time I'm at a NASA meeting I'll make sure to contribute that and see if it shakes something loose. Think of a raspberry. What does it look like? I don't think it helps if you concentrate on your farting lips. |
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Dec 12, 2022 0:26:58 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 12, 2022 4:45:06 GMT
Anyone else have a favourite?
I love that hourglass for some reason.
They're all spectacular but there's something about the hourglass for me.
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Post by yeokel on Dec 12, 2022 12:08:45 GMT
Anyone else have a favourite? I love that hourglass for some reason. They're all spectacular but there's something about the hourglass for me. To me, the hourglass echoes The Creation of Christ from the Sistine Chapel ceiling. |
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Dec 12, 2022 23:58:20 GMT
Anyone else have a favourite? I love that hourglass for some reason. They're all spectacular but there's something about the hourglass for me. My favorite has to be Stephan's Quintet so far. You look at that image and then suddenly realize after closer inspection that 95% percent, if not more, of the "dots" in that image aren't stars. They're galaxies. It's just mind boggling. |
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Post by musik on Dec 13, 2022 1:16:37 GMT
The Raspberries
/or How to explain the parallel universes
According to a revelation I had as a kid but also in the 5000 years old Veda literature, which I found out later ( maybe it was a memory from an earlier life):
A raspberry consists of "cells" if you like.
Imagine each cell is a universe.
And then, place some raspberries together in the palm of your hand or in a bowl.
And more and more ...
Then imagine it's an Earth in each one of them cells (since each one is a universe).
If so
The question is: do we all exist elsewhere simultaneously? Or are there new individual souls everywhere?
I might have a different brain than most, I don't know, but I've seen your posts on infinity and finity.
To me it's much easier to picture something infinite.
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 13, 2022 14:10:31 GMT
The Raspberries /or How to explain the parallel universes According to a revelation I had as a kid but also in the 5000 years old Veda literature, which I found out later ( maybe it was a memory from an earlier life): A raspberry consists of "cells" if you like. Imagine each cell is a universe. And then, place some raspberries together in the palm of your hand or in a bowl. And more and more ... Then imagine it's an Earth in each one of them cells (since each one is a universe). If so The question is: do we all exist elsewhere simultaneously? Or are there new individual souls everywhere? I might have a different brain than most, I don't know, but I've seen your posts on infinity and finity. To me it's much easier to picture something infinite. Definitely needed that -the raspberry hint wasn't helping me at all. A lot of serious scientists seem to think there's a multiverse. Also Dr Strange. |
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Post by musik on Dec 13, 2022 15:45:13 GMT
The Raspberries /or How to explain the parallel universes According to a revelation I had as a kid but also in the 5000 years old Veda literature, which I found out later ( maybe it was a memory from an earlier life): A raspberry consists of "cells" if you like. Imagine each cell is a universe. And then, place some raspberries together in the palm of your hand or in a bowl. And more and more ... Then imagine it's an Earth in each one of them cells (since each one is a universe). If so The question is: do we all exist elsewhere simultaneously? Or are there new individual souls everywhere? I might have a different brain than most, I don't know, but I've seen your posts on infinity and finity. To me it's much easier to picture something infinite. Definitely needed that -the raspberry hint wasn't helping me at all. A lot of serious scientists seem to think there's a multiverse. Also Dr Strange. At a talk show on TV the year before last year a scientist talked about multiverse or many parallel universes, as he said. He mentioned billions once. Could it really be billions of universes? Breathtaking. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 13, 2022 16:20:37 GMT
Anyone else have a favourite? I love that hourglass for some reason. They're all spectacular but there's something about the hourglass for me. I think Shatner's bassoon is my favourite so far. |
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Feb 27, 2023 23:04:49 GMT
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Mar 1, 2023 13:22:32 GMT
Disclaimer: This isn't a JWST image, but thought a fitting place to post rather than starting a new thread. This is an incredible photo of Olympus Mons, the tallest mountain/volcano in the solar system, situated on Mars and measuring a whopping 16 miles high and about the width of France, (whatever that is). To put into context, it's around 3 times as tall as Everest. Just imagine being at the foot of the cliffs and looking up at this, even the sheer enormity of the shadow that its creating on the ground is mind blowing. Pretty sure I read it breaks through the horizon so you would never see the summit.
Apologies for boring people but this stuff really blows my mind.  |
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Post by butlerstbob on Mar 1, 2023 15:39:05 GMT
Olympus Mons almost 3 x the size of Everest...mind blown!
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 1, 2023 16:05:24 GMT
So, in the multiverse, there's a chance we've won the Premiership?
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Mar 1, 2023 17:17:50 GMT
So, in the multiverse, there's a chance we've won the Premiership? Even better. There’s a chance we’re the best footballing team ever, who are unbeaten in every competition. There are literally an infinite number of possibilities if the multiverse theory is true. |
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Mar 1, 2023 17:20:08 GMT
Olympus Mons almost 3 x the size of Everest...mind blown! Imagine looking up at that. I can’t even comprehend how big Everest without physically visiting, never mind something that literally breaks through it’s planet’s atmosphere. It’s astonishingly big. |
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Mar 1, 2023 23:14:20 GMT
Olympus Mons almost 3 x the size of Everest...mind blown! Imagine looking up at that. I can’t even comprehend how big Everest without physically visiting, never mind something that literally breaks through it’s planet’s atmosphere. It’s astonishingly big. Someone someday will be the first human to climb it. It will happen and knowing it will happen is pretty cool. |
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Mar 4, 2023 21:41:40 GMT
PBS Nova episode on JWST - New Eye On The Universe
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 5, 2023 0:55:27 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 5, 2023 9:25:39 GMT
Imagine looking up at that. I can’t even comprehend how big Everest without physically visiting, never mind something that literally breaks through it’s planet’s atmosphere. It’s astonishingly big. Someone someday will be the first human to climb it. It will happen and knowing it will happen is pretty cool. My first thought was exactly the same, and then I remembered how things are going on our own fragile planet and came to the conclusion that it's probably quite unlikely. |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 5, 2023 19:31:02 GMT
Imagine looking up at that. I can’t even comprehend how big Everest without physically visiting, never mind something that literally breaks through it’s planet’s atmosphere. It’s astonishingly big. Someone someday will be the first human to climb it. It will happen and knowing it will happen is pretty cool. More likely to drive up it. It's an incredibly, shallow gradual slope (about 5%). Also, fucking huge (total area about the same size as France). If you stood at the base you wouldn't be able to see the summit as it's a couple of hundred miles away, so way beyond the horizon and you'd barely notice a slope if you walked it. It's the kind of thing Clarkson, Hammond and May would do in one of their specials. That could be a good watch |
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Mar 5, 2023 20:14:49 GMT
Someone someday will be the first human to climb it. It will happen and knowing it will happen is pretty cool. More likely to drive up it. It's an incredibly, shallow gradual slope (about 5%). Also, fucking huge (total area about the same size as France). If you stood at the base you wouldn't be able to see the summit as it's a couple of hundred miles away, so way beyond the horizon and you'd barely notice a slope if you walked it. It's the kind of thing Clarkson, Hammond and May would do in one of their specials. That could be a good watch Nope, someone will do it, it's what we apes do. A few years ago two people solo walked across Antartica if I'm not mistaken. |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 5, 2023 20:57:58 GMT
More likely to drive up it. It's an incredibly, shallow gradual slope (about 5%). Also, fucking huge (total area about the same size as France). If you stood at the base you wouldn't be able to see the summit as it's a couple of hundred miles away, so way beyond the horizon and you'd barely notice a slope if you walked it. It's the kind of thing Clarkson, Hammond and May would do in one of their specials. That could be a good watch Nope, someone will do it, it's what we apes do. A few years ago two people solo walked across Antartica if I'm not mistaken. Just a massive waste of resources to walk up it when there are far easier ways of getting up it and you dont really have the luxury of being able to waste stuff in space. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 10, 2023 13:12:29 GMT
Some new images... Old Hubble shot of Uranus.  New Webb shot.  Wider shot of Uranus & it's six brightest moons.  And finally this one which is... "Cassiopeia A (Cas A). 11,000 light-years away, it is the remnant of a massive star that exploded about 340 years ago".  EDIT to add... |
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on May 7, 2023 18:50:28 GMT
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Post by backintheday on May 8, 2023 21:51:33 GMT
Beautiful images.
Absolutely mind blowing to know what’s out there( that we can see of course)
Now we need another telescope a bit further out lol
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 23, 2023 19:22:13 GMT
I could look at images like this for hours on end. I can't imagine as it will ever happen but how crazy would it be for humans way off into the future to be setting sail into this great unknown?!  |
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