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Post by lordb on Aug 14, 2022 15:47:32 GMT
Am I the only one who thought Bursik had no chance for any of the goals? Which one should have saved? Shambolic defending with Flint the chief culprit put Jags back in The first one. The ball went straight through his arms. With power free header six yards out courtesy of Flint having no idea where his man was if he'd saved that would have been a top save Clearly just me though
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Aug 14, 2022 15:52:35 GMT
The first one. The ball went straight through his arms. With power free header six yards out courtesy of Flint having no idea where his man was if he'd saved that would have been a top save Clearly just me though Thought it was taylor not flint.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 14, 2022 15:56:00 GMT
Am I the only one who thought Bursik had no chance for any of the goals? Which one should have saved? Shambolic defending with Flint the chief culprit put Jags back in Are you serious ? The first one was a worst flap than the Forest winner at City Ground last season We didn’t lose.
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Post by J-Roar on Aug 14, 2022 16:01:58 GMT
Are you serious ? The first one was a worst flap than the Forest winner at City Ground last season We didn’t lose. It felt like it.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 14, 2022 16:04:48 GMT
Didn't the 1st goal go through his hands?
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Post by tuum on Aug 14, 2022 16:27:20 GMT
With power free header six yards out courtesy of Flint having no idea where his man was if he'd saved that would have been a top save Clearly just me though Thought it was taylor not flint. The nearest man to their fella when he made his move round the back of our defence was Smallbone. No one 'lost' their man really. Absolutely impossible to mark anyone who makes that kind of move. The expectation is always that he gets picked up by the defender at the back post, or more realistically, that the defender at the back post adjusts to nullify the danger if it goes deep. If by Flint, you mean Taylor, then yes he should have seen the run that their guy made and adjusted his position accordingly - unfortunately, he was only looking across the line and was not aware of what was going on in his peripheral vision. It happens sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2022 21:22:33 GMT
Clark has been out of contract since the end of June so he must be holding out for a move somewhere.
Don't know how good he is but he's quite well rated in Scotland so would have expected him to be fixed up by now.
O'Neill made a comment recently about out of contract players needing to be more realistic about wage demands. Could this be who he was referring to?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2022 21:26:54 GMT
Seems every time Bursik fails to save yet another one, the finger immediately points to the nearest defender for some. Irrelevant who didn't win the header, he saves that. Bursik is part of the defence and a top keeper doesn't get beaten by that.
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Post by theonlooker on Aug 14, 2022 21:29:34 GMT
Seems every time Bursik fails to save yet another one, the finger immediately points to the nearest defender for some. Irrelevant who didn't win the header, he saves that. Bursik is part of the defence and a top keeper doesn't get beaten by that. What was apparent to me yesterday was how quickly the confidence drained from all three defenders after that dreadful bit of goalkeeping. Straight after Flint almost sliced a backpass so wide it almost went out for a throw and Wilmot messed up another one. They clearly don't trust him.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 14, 2022 22:05:19 GMT
Seems every time Bursik fails to save yet another one, the finger immediately points to the nearest defender for some. Irrelevant who didn't win the header, he saves that. Bursik is part of the defence and a top keeper doesn't get beaten by that. What was apparent to me yesterday was how quickly the confidence drained from all three defenders after that dreadful bit of goalkeeping. Straight after Flint almost sliced a backpass so wide it almost went out for a throw and Wilmot messed up another one. They clearly don't trust him. Yeah, he's not the right man for the job currently. He needs another loan whilst we get in a decent keeper and re-evaluate next summer.
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Post by windows1 on Aug 14, 2022 22:13:00 GMT
I would take zoo lander over Bursik. The writing's been on the wall for well over a year. I honestly think us fans got rid of Davies. Davies was completely fine, however us fans were obsessed with playing Bursik. Granted we didn't know how shit he really was at the time but i think this fam demand filtered down into MON who thought the same. Every likely Davies demanded a move way being second choice to Bursik.
With Shay Given he is the worst goalkeeper i have ever seen in a Stoke top.
The goalkeeper situation is inexcusable for MON though. The takes the full blame. I imagine Vale have just signed a better kepper than all 4 of ours. Its truly shocking
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Post by J-Roar on Aug 14, 2022 22:38:37 GMT
I would take zoo lander over Bursik. The writing's been on the wall for well over a year. I honestly think us fans got rid of Davies. Davies was completely fine, however us fans were obsessed with playing Bursik. Granted we didn't know how shit he really was at the time but i think this fam demand filtered down into MON who thought the same. Every likely Davies demanded a move way being second choice to Bursik. With Shay Given he is the worst goalkeeper i have ever seen in a Stoke top. The goalkeeper situation is inexcusable for MON though. The takes the full blame. I imagine Vale have just signed a better kepper than all 4 of ours. Its truly shocking I assumed FFP got rid of Davies
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 14, 2022 22:42:02 GMT
I would take zoo lander over Bursik. The writing's been on the wall for well over a year. I honestly think us fans got rid of Davies. Davies was completely fine, however us fans were obsessed with playing Bursik. Granted we didn't know how shit he really was at the time but i think this fam demand filtered down into MON who thought the same. Every likely Davies demanded a move way being second choice to Bursik. With Shay Given he is the worst goalkeeper i have ever seen in a Stoke top. The goalkeeper situation is inexcusable for MON though. The takes the full blame. I imagine Vale have just signed a better kepper than all 4 of ours. Its truly shocking Is there anything that isn’t ‘us fans’ fault? Was Davies getting stick at games? No Davies was out of contract in the summer and MON was never entirely convinced by him anyway. It had absolutely nothing to do with the fans.
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Post by Championship Potter on Aug 14, 2022 22:55:20 GMT
Given where we are Ben Foster seems the obvious choice if he’s up for it. Played 26 Premier League games last year so he must be still have something to offer at this level.
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 15, 2022 0:18:24 GMT
The first one. The ball went straight through his arms. With power free header six yards out courtesy of Flint having no idea where his man was if he'd saved that would have been a top save Clearly just me though It didn’t look that strong if a header to be honest. Wasn’t it Taylor who misjudged the header? If Bursik had stood still, it would have slapped him in the mouth. He jumped up and back and somehow managed to be smaller than if he’d had just stood there.
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 15, 2022 0:20:36 GMT
I would take zoo lander over Bursik. The writing's been on the wall for well over a year. I honestly think us fans got rid of Davies. Davies was completely fine, however us fans were obsessed with playing Bursik. Granted we didn't know how shit he really was at the time but i think this fam demand filtered down into MON who thought the same. Every likely Davies demanded a move way being second choice to Bursik. With Shay Given he is the worst goalkeeper i have ever seen in a Stoke top. The goalkeeper situation is inexcusable for MON though. The takes the full blame. I imagine Vale have just signed a better kepper than all 4 of ours. Its truly shocking Is there anything that isn’t ‘us fans’ fault? Was Davies getting stick at games? No Davies was out of contract in the summer and MON was never entirely convinced by him anyway. It had absolutely nothing to do with the fans. We’d have got a lot more points with Davies. At worst, he was slightly better than average at this level. I think it was reasonable to let him go though. He was likely on a decent wage and didn’t have long left on his contract, as you say.
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 15, 2022 7:35:13 GMT
FInding a keeper of at least average ability for this league should be the top priority of management and coaching staff.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 15, 2022 7:36:57 GMT
Keeper is definitely one of the 4 gaping holes we've got as pointed out by lot of people
Unless we have a functioning new keeper, a RWB, a left-sided centre-back and more of a focal point striker, we're screwed.
And realistically you can't see us fixing those 4 in a fortnight.
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Post by theonlooker on Aug 15, 2022 7:40:05 GMT
Keeper is definitely one of the 4 gaping holes we've got as pointed out by lot of people Unless we have a functioning new keeper, a RWB, a left-sided centre-back and more of a focal point striker, we're screwed. And realistically you can't see us fixing those 4 in a fortnight. This is why I never got too excited by this supposed great reset of summer 22'. It was always a case of too much to do, with too little available resource against the backdrop of a brand new, manager led recruitment process filled with his own men. We were always going to end up short in some areas unless we dropped really lucky. ...and as we know, we don't really do luck.
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Post by thestatusquo on Aug 15, 2022 7:42:11 GMT
Keeper is definitely one of the 4 gaping holes we've got as pointed out by lot of people Unless we have a functioning new keeper, a RWB, a left-sided centre-back and more of a focal point striker, we're screwed. And realistically you can't see us fixing those 4 in a fortnight. This is why I never got too excited by this supposed great reset of summer 22'. It was always a case of too much to do, with too little available resource against the backdrop of a brand new, manager led recruitment process filled with his own men. We were always going to end up short in some areas unless we dropped really lucky. ...and as we know, we don't really do luck. We get lots of luck. All of it bad
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Post by stokemark on Aug 15, 2022 8:12:38 GMT
Davies and Danny Baath made a huge contribution in our win at QPR when Mario Vrancic pretty much ran the midfield
Three players none of which are world beaters but are better than what we now have. FFP was at the heart of why we lost the first two but you need a manager who is capable of replacing as a minimum like for like and ideally better on freebies, loans and lower wages.
Im not defending MON here but he is not a miracle worker - What he is guilty of is trying to play a system totally unsuited to the quality and suitability of the type of player we can now afford.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 15, 2022 14:13:52 GMT
Keeper is definitely one of the 4 gaping holes we've got as pointed out by lot of people Unless we have a functioning new keeper, a RWB, a left-sided centre-back and more of a focal point striker, we're screwed. And realistically you can't see us fixing those 4 in a fortnight. I heard Clarke was offered a deal by us on a very low wage, one that he was surprised by, and had turned down a contract at an spl club in the expectation of a better offer. Stoke should be revisiting that urgently now, make a slightly improved contract offer and get him in. Get it done because as you say there are FOUR gaping holes, we've got two home games this week, it's already nearly at a crisis point for any play off hopes we were harboring. It's not good enough, pissing about with our fuzzy thinking. Hoping Bursik might come good, hoping Clarke doesn't get injured then hoping Sparrow can magically turn into a good rwb overnight. Get the keeper sorted, the delap loan looks hopefully nearly sorted, have them in for one of the games this week then move onto RWB and LCB urgently!!!!!
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Post by Goonie on Aug 15, 2022 14:30:36 GMT
Keeper is definitely one of the 4 gaping holes we've got as pointed out by lot of people Unless we have a functioning new keeper, a RWB, a left-sided centre-back and more of a focal point striker, we're screwed. And realistically you can't see us fixing those 4 in a fortnight. I heard Clarke was offered a deal by us on a very low wage, one that he was surprised by, and had turned down a contract at an spl club in the expectation of a better offer. Stoke should be revisiting that urgently now, make a slightly improved contract offer and get him in. Get it done because as you say there are FOUR gaping holes, we've got two home games this week, it's already nearly at a crisis point for any play off hopes we were harboring. It's not good enough, pissing about with our fuzzy thinking. Hoping Bursik might come good, hoping Clarke doesn't get injured then hoping Sparrow can magically turn into a good rwb overnight. Get the keeper sorted, the delap loan looks hopefully nearly sorted, have them in for one of the games this week then move onto RWB and LCB urgently!!!!! All the stats discussed elsewhere point to us needing a new keeper. Competition is healthy. Currently we have two bald men fighting over a comb
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Post by skemstokie on Aug 16, 2022 11:35:39 GMT
The first one. The ball went straight through his arms. With power free header six yards out courtesy of Flint having no idea where his man was if he'd saved that would have been a top save Clearly just me though Got to agree with you even if it means going against the "agenda" mob on here.
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Post by Timmy on Aug 16, 2022 12:59:00 GMT
The first one. The ball went straight through his arms. With power free header six yards out courtesy of Flint having no idea where his man was if he'd saved that would have been a top save Clearly just me though Firstly it was our golden boy Taylor who misread the flight of the ball and jumped too early which left a free header and bursik should be saving that fullstop, he will be dissapointed. Sorry but we need a new goalkeeper to settle this defense down!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 13:20:51 GMT
With power free header six yards out courtesy of Flint having no idea where his man was if he'd saved that would have been a top save Clearly just me though Firstly it was our golden boy Taylor who misread the flight of the ball and jumped too early which left a free header and bursik should be saving that fullstop, he will be dissapointed. Sorry but we need a new goalkeeper to settle this defense down! Don't go posting facts now. You know it was Flint's fault and the defence's fault that Bursik saves bugger all
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 13:57:58 GMT
Given where we are Ben Foster seems the obvious choice if he’s up for it. Played 26 Premier League games last year so he must be still have something to offer at this level. I’m not sure of the feasibility but if this is possible we need to make it happen. It’s a no brainer. We might even get in the Guiness book of records; 21.5 years between first signing a pro contract at stoke and making his stoke debut.
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Post by marylandstoke on Aug 16, 2022 14:29:41 GMT
Given where we are Ben Foster seems the obvious choice if he’s up for it. Played 26 Premier League games last year so he must be still have something to offer at this level. He wants to go cycling.
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Post by stokesaint1 on Aug 16, 2022 14:41:50 GMT
Unfortunately I don't think Coco is even considering bringing in a keeper, or even recognising it as a problem area. I just don't think he has any real clue about how bad a team we have become under his stewardship, despite his 30 or so signings to date. It is mainly just quantity with little regard to quality, with the odd rare exception.
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Post by greenhoff on Aug 16, 2022 15:07:06 GMT
With power free header six yards out courtesy of Flint having no idea where his man was if he'd saved that would have been a top save Clearly just me though Got to agree with you even if it means going against the "agenda" mob on here. Nothing to do with agendas, he just a very poor goalkeeper. Every time something is on target it stands a decent chance of hitting the net and that has to stop. Whether it's a confidence thing I don't know but it can't go on and the answer is certainly not Bonham. A decent keeper should have been a priority. However our scattergun approach to recruitment continues unabated.
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