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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 14, 2022 21:52:36 GMT
I can’t help thinking that this is the best group of players we’ve had in my lifetime. Yes it’s the end of a long season but we just seem devoid of any attacking flair choosing instead to play the same boring, slow, posession football that MON plays. Unlike MON though Southgate has top players to choose from but chooses to play them in roles that are alien too them. We may well do OK in the World Cup but it’ll be despite of Southgate not because of him. I wonder how many of Bellingham, Fodan and Grealish will start in our first game. I think we’re more likely to see Mount, Henderson and Saka (who I like at club level). I can’t see Henderson starting. In the group I wouldn’t be opposed to Ward-Prowse starting ahead of the others, particularly as they may be a good route for us to break the opponents down. I think we’re reliant on the wing backs and the pace they bring. It wasn’t there tonight and hasn’t been over the last few games. It’s a big shame Justin got injured because I think left wing back (& centre half) is a big gap at the moment. Plenty of time to sort it at least.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 14, 2022 21:53:09 GMT
Yes we do. Pretty obvious most of those players were just going through the motions tonight, desperate for a break after a long season, and knackered. Yes but other countries were going through the same thing. Denmark could barely find 11 fit players but still beat Austria. Austria beat Croatia. Croatia beat Denmark. Everyone beat France or drew with them. So stop feeling sorry for yourselves. You're not the only nation going down. Everyone beat France, the world champions, hmmmm...
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Post by willieeetmiout on Jun 14, 2022 22:01:22 GMT
The most worrying of all is that in 4 games, 2 against the mighty Hungary we have scored no goals from open play and the one penalty was maybe harsh given Kane was getting no where near the ball
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 14, 2022 22:06:20 GMT
I can’t help thinking that this is the best group of players we’ve had in my lifetime. Yes it’s the end of a long season but we just seem devoid of any attacking flair choosing instead to play the same boring, slow, posession football that MON plays. Unlike MON though Southgate has top players to choose from but chooses to play them in roles that are alien too them. We may well do OK in the World Cup but it’ll be despite of Southgate not because of him. I wonder how many of Bellingham, Fodan and Grealish will start in our first game. I think we’re more likely to see Mount, Henderson and Saka (who I like at club level). I can’t see Henderson starting. In the group I wouldn’t be opposed to Ward-Prowse starting ahead of the others, particularly as they may be a good route for us to break the opponents down. I think we’re reliant on the wing backs and the pace they bring. It wasn’t there tonight and hasn’t been over the last few games. It’s a big shame Justin got injured because I think left wing back (& centre half) is a big gap at the moment. Plenty of time to sort it at least. Henderson will definitely start. This lot look lost without a midfield general. A very underrated player who will be integral to our World Cup chances
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 14, 2022 22:10:25 GMT
I can’t see Henderson starting. In the group I wouldn’t be opposed to Ward-Prowse starting ahead of the others, particularly as they may be a good route for us to break the opponents down. I think we’re reliant on the wing backs and the pace they bring. It wasn’t there tonight and hasn’t been over the last few games. It’s a big shame Justin got injured because I think left wing back (& centre half) is a big gap at the moment. Plenty of time to sort it at least. Henderson will definitely start. This lot look lost without a midfield general. A very underrated player who will be integral to our World Cup chances Rice is your man.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 14, 2022 22:12:30 GMT
Henderson will definitely start. This lot look lost without a midfield general. A very underrated player who will be integral to our World Cup chances Rice is your man. I like Declan Rice but I don’t think he’s experienced enough to lead a team through a rocky patch in a game, he doesn’t have that big game mentality yet.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 14, 2022 22:16:24 GMT
I like Declan Rice but I don’t think he’s experienced enough to lead a team through a rocky patch in a game, he doesn’t have that big game mentality yet. For me he’s a natural leader and the next England captain. Big game mentality or not he’s a winner and he drags others up to his level - which is a very high level.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 14, 2022 22:21:31 GMT
I like Declan Rice but I don’t think he’s experienced enough to lead a team through a rocky patch in a game, he doesn’t have that big game mentality yet. For me he’s a natural leader and the next England captain. Big game mentality or not he’s a winner and he drags others up to his level - which is a very high level. We will have to agree to disagree on all of those points although as I said I think he’s an excellent footballer. Hope he moves on soon to a bigger club and plays regular champions league football. Can only be good for the national team at least
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 14, 2022 22:25:51 GMT
For me he’s a natural leader and the next England captain. Big game mentality or not he’s a winner and he drags others up to his level - which is a very high level. We will have to agree to disagree on all of those points although as I said I think he’s an excellent footballer. Hope he moves on soon to a bigger club and plays regular champions league football. Can only be good for the national team at least We shall see if Henderson starts the first game of the World cup.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 14, 2022 22:28:11 GMT
We will have to agree to disagree on all of those points although as I said I think he’s an excellent footballer. Hope he moves on soon to a bigger club and plays regular champions league football. Can only be good for the national team at least We shall see if Henderson starts the first game of the World cup. Wanna bet?😉 Injuries make it void
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Post by thevoid on Jun 14, 2022 22:29:57 GMT
Quick question- how many elite football clubs would want to appoint Gareth Southgate if he became available?
Yes, he did well last summer (helped by what was essentially a home tournament) but his negativity and reluctance to freshen things up sooner cost us an excellent chance of winning when we were in pole position. That final was more akin to the Quarter Final defeat to Italy in 2012 when we also lost on penalties and couldn't get the ball off them- yet we were at home and with a better team last time.
This team should be built around Foden and Grealish (who is criminally underused- again, I refer you to the final). Gareth- nice bloke but he's essentially England's Ole Gunnar Solkjaer (minus the success as a player)
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Post by thevoid on Jun 14, 2022 22:32:16 GMT
Yes but other countries were going through the same thing. Denmark could barely find 11 fit players but still beat Austria. Austria beat Croatia. Croatia beat Denmark. Everyone beat France or drew with them. So stop feeling sorry for yourselves. You're not the only nation going down. Everyone beat France, the world champions, hmmmm... He's referring to the current Nation's League campaign where France sit bottom of their group with two draws and two defeats.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 14, 2022 22:34:08 GMT
We shall see if Henderson starts the first game of the World cup. Wanna bet?😉 Injuries make it void No, don’t want your money chief. Henderson starts game 3 in the group if we’ve won the first two and we’re guaranteed top spot
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Post by Northy on Jun 14, 2022 22:35:46 GMT
Glad I missed this one as drinking copious amounts of alcohol in Belfast, an absolute shameful scoreline that should see the boring twat kicked out on his arse
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Post by thevoid on Jun 14, 2022 22:44:13 GMT
He won't get the boot but who would you choose to replace Gareth? I think i'd go either... English: Graham Potter International: Mauricio Pochettino Potter isn't ready yet but I'd have him working as an understudy to a foreign coach (Poch?) with a view to him taking the reigns eventually (he could always do the understudy thing alongside his club management) Likewise, let's see how Cooper does in the Premier League- maybe one for the future based on how he copes at Forest? I know he's Welsh but he coached (successfully) England U20s and worked with a lot of the current first team. Unlike Gareth, he's gotten over the line in an international tournament. Gerrard? Not yet, let's see what he builds at Villa. Someone mentioned Brendan Rodgers- I could live with that. It's not like Northern Ireland could afford his salary.
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Post by jokker on Jun 14, 2022 22:46:21 GMT
Yes but other countries were going through the same thing. Denmark could barely find 11 fit players but still beat Austria. Austria beat Croatia. Croatia beat Denmark. Everyone beat France or drew with them. So stop feeling sorry for yourselves. You're not the only nation going down. Everyone beat France, the world champions, hmmmm... www.theguardian.com/football/nations-league/table
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Post by a on Jun 14, 2022 22:57:42 GMT
Is he on his way? (Gareth)
Shocking tonight and hasn’t been good enough all tournament if we’re being honest.
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Post by jokker on Jun 14, 2022 22:57:56 GMT
Not really, it is just a general impression. Being the underdog is usually something positive to decrease the pressure on the team, England is not able to use this advantage because of the hype by the media. Underdog? We reached the semi-final of the last World Cup & the final of the last Euro's. Succesive lucky draws, extremely lucky if I may say so, and cheating the ref in some games, made everyone believe England actually had a great team, that they were the king with clothes. When all along they were the king without clothes and recent results were bound to happen sooner or later. They happened sooner, which actually gives England a bit of chance to rethink their excessive belief in their own greatness. It probably won't work because the press - once they get over tomorrow's papers - will tell them that it was just a hiccup, they really are the greatest team ever, and it won't matter that they have no clothes on, because who needs clothes in Qutar?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 14, 2022 23:25:52 GMT
He won't get the boot but who would you choose to replace Gareth? I think i'd go either... English: Graham Potter International: Mauricio Pochettino Potter isn't ready yet but I'd have him working as an understudy to a foreign coach (Poch?) with a view to him taking the reigns eventually (he could always do the understudy thing alongside his club management) Likewise, let's see how Cooper does in the Premier League- maybe one for the future based on how he copes at Forest? I know he's Welsh but he coached (successfully) England U20s and worked with a lot of the current first team. Unlike Gareth, he's gotten over the line in an international tournament. Gerrard? Not yet, let's see what he builds at Villa. Someone mentioned Brendan Rodgers- I could live with that. It's not like Northern Ireland could afford his salary. Somebody? And I thought we were friends on here😉
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Post by rivival on Jun 15, 2022 0:22:58 GMT
Just realised this competition is not yet done, there appear to be 2 more fixtures to fulfill at some point! How much do we get paid to watch them^^
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Post by tejstokie on Jun 15, 2022 3:47:07 GMT
The Hungarians remind me of that Greece Euro team. Just in it to win. They've played well lately against Germany, France and England.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 15, 2022 4:43:42 GMT
The Hungarians remind me of that Greece Euro team. Just in it to win. They've played well lately against Germany, France and England. Yes they have. Our gnashing of teeth over England ignores that Hungary were very good
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Post by thevoid on Jun 15, 2022 5:30:20 GMT
Potter isn't ready yet but I'd have him working as an understudy to a foreign coach (Poch?) with a view to him taking the reigns eventually (he could always do the understudy thing alongside his club management) Likewise, let's see how Cooper does in the Premier League- maybe one for the future based on how he copes at Forest? I know he's Welsh but he coached (successfully) England U20s and worked with a lot of the current first team. Unlike Gareth, he's gotten over the line in an international tournament. Gerrard? Not yet, let's see what he builds at Villa. Someone mentioned Brendan Rodgers- I could live with that. It's not like Northern Ireland could afford his salary. Somebody? And I thought we were friends on here😉 Gammon 😎
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Post by thevoid on Jun 15, 2022 5:33:22 GMT
Underdog? We reached the semi-final of the last World Cup & the final of the last Euro's. Succesive lucky draws, extremely lucky if I may say so, and cheating the ref in some games, made everyone believe England actually had a great team, that they were the king with clothes. When all along they were the king without clothes and recent results were bound to happen sooner or later. They happened sooner, which actually gives England a bit of chance to rethink their excessive belief in their own greatness. It probably won't work because the press - once they get over tomorrow's papers - will tell them that it was just a hiccup, they really are the greatest team ever, and it won't matter that they have no clothes on, because who needs clothes in Qutar? Tell me the parables of the Qutari king without clothes, and the journalist who couldn't get over papers, I've missed these ones 😀
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Post by thevoid on Jun 15, 2022 6:01:44 GMT
The Hungarians remind me of that Greece Euro team. Just in it to win. They've played well lately against Germany, France and England. Yes they have. Our gnashing of teeth over England ignores that Hungary were very good Ian Holloway's done a great job with them. Time to bring him home?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 15, 2022 6:28:34 GMT
Somebody? And I thought we were friends on here😉 Gammon 😎 Bully
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jun 15, 2022 6:29:02 GMT
Does anybody know how this EUFA nations league actually works. Apparently we’re close to relegation ![(question)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/XXiVCR8ugEQgztLfqFjy.gif)
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Post by werrington on Jun 15, 2022 6:39:23 GMT
Does anybody know how this EUFA nations league actually works. Apparently we’re close to relegation ![(question)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/XXiVCR8ugEQgztLfqFjy.gif) They are groups based on rankings ….group A group B and son on The team finishing bottom gets relegated to the next group town and visa versa It was initially three teams only in groups A until Germany got relegated then they quickly changed the rules to four teams to save that scenario happening again ( although they’ll deny it ) Bizarrely now though even with four teams England and amazingly France are staring down a barrel I actually like the nations league but each to their own I suppose
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Post by sheds1862 on Jun 15, 2022 6:43:43 GMT
I find them just a glorified friendly. If we won it I'd be rather meh about it all. The only ones to benefit are your Andorra Luxembourg Scotland etc who get a chance to win a game of football.
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Post by noustie on Jun 15, 2022 7:20:06 GMT
Got be honest I was assuming you'd regressed back to the arrogance of the Golden Generation in a noisy section of support and media wanting Southgate out but after last night fuck me I get it - this is high stakes Rimmers vs Wankers/ Pulis vs Hughes and absolutely no idea which way I'd fall.
One thing noticed last night is the ref didnt seem to be buying Kane falling over near the box to load up on set pieces which is Southgate's main tactic. With the players you have the lack of goals in open play is baffling.
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