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Post by iglugluk on Jun 14, 2022 21:08:43 GMT
Yeah, but he's probably in favour of Britain re-entering the EU and he doesn't support the current government's divisive England 1st policies, so he needs getting rid of.. Don’t do drugs kids Baaaa
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Post by Olgrligm on Jun 14, 2022 21:11:06 GMT
I still think the worst part in british football is how media convinces the average player he is world-class until he discovers suddenly he is not that good. And then, when it turns out that they are average, the press absolutely crucify them.
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Post by Dr Hesham on Jun 14, 2022 21:11:13 GMT
Not really, it is just a general impression. Being the underdog is usually something positive to decrease the pressure on the team, England is not able to use this advantage because of the hype by the media. Underdog? We reached the semi-final of the last World Cup & the final of the last Euro's. How does that make us an 'underdog' right now? Certainly England is not the underdog against Hungary. The problem is England is never underdog against any team because of the high expectations from the media so they are losing this advantage even when they deserve it.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 14, 2022 21:12:37 GMT
Underdog? We reached the semi-final of the last World Cup & the final of the last Euro's. How does that make us an 'underdog' right now? Certainly England is not the underdog against Hungary. The problem is England is never underdog against any team because of the high expectations from the media so they are losing this advantage even when they deserve it. They deserve the square root of piss all for that performance
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Post by Dr Hesham on Jun 14, 2022 21:13:15 GMT
I still think the worst part in british football is how media convinces the average player he is world-class until he discovers suddenly he is not that good. And then, when it turns out that they are average, the press absolutely crucify them. Which makes the bad situation even worse, isnt it?
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Post by lennythegoose on Jun 14, 2022 21:14:26 GMT
Joe Cole talking bollox about Harry Kane talking bollox. Haha. I can't imagine 3 more stupid pundits than these. Thick as pigshit. Embarrassing stuff. The pride on Ashley Cole’s face when he said ‘Hungary were more hungry’.
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Post by Gods on Jun 14, 2022 21:14:55 GMT
Just realised this competition is not yet done, there appear to be 2 more fixtures to fulfill at some point!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 14, 2022 21:17:54 GMT
He won't get the boot but who would you choose to replace Gareth? I think i'd go either... English: Graham Potter International: Mauricio Pochettino Brendan Rodgers
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 14, 2022 21:21:26 GMT
It supports your point… Difference is players stamina for those last 30 minutes was obvious. Quite a few Hungary players have had the best part of a month off, played considerably less games than the English and not having a break doesn’t bring the best from a competitive angle…
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 14, 2022 21:21:35 GMT
Just realised this competition is not yet done, there appear to be 2 more fixtures to fulfill at some point! Yeah play eachother home and away. I don't really mind it to be honest but the timing and volume of these matches has been nonsense. I know there's never really a great time to fit them in but I'm sure there'll be spells in the standard League season as there often is.
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Post by jebbstuart on Jun 14, 2022 21:24:01 GMT
Well he has seen what they can collectively do. Ramsdale was poor, the defence even worse the positioning was very poor, midfield offers very little and really only one up front. For the world cup you got to have a squad, think we can draw a line through a couple they may be premier league quality but not international quality.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 14, 2022 21:25:21 GMT
Just realised this competition is not yet done, there appear to be 2 more fixtures to fulfill at some point! Yeah play eachother home and away. I don't really mind it to be honest but the timing and volume of these matches has been nonsense. I know there's never really a great time to fit them in but I'm sure there'll be spells in the standard League season as there often is. It was good when we were winning games. Do we get relegated to tier b if we finish bottom of the group?
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 14, 2022 21:25:21 GMT
It supports your point… Difference is players stamina for those last 30 minutes was obvious. Quite a few Hungary players have had the best part of a month off, played considerably less games than the English and not having a break doesn’t bring the best from a competitive angle… It's the mental side as much as the physical side too. That's my main concern to be honest. You see it a lot to maintain that same mentality, desire to win and level of intensity over a long period of time is very tough. Especially when many of them have had that adrenaline dump of winning something at the end of a long, hard season.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 14, 2022 21:27:09 GMT
Well he has seen what they can collectively do. Ramsdale was poor, the defence even worse the positioning was very poor, midfield offers very little and really only one up front. For the world cup you got to have a squad, think we can draw a line through a couple they may be premier league quality but not international quality. We missed Rice massively in the middle. There just didn't seem to be an outlet for the defence and they were getting frustrated. Foden also offers that link between defence and attack, as does Grealish. Gallagher did alright, it's clear Bowen isn't good enough, Guehi so-so. Phillips was diabolical tonight, as was Saka.
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Post by alsagerstokie on Jun 14, 2022 21:27:18 GMT
It supports your point… Difference is players stamina for those last 30 minutes was obvious. Quite a few Hungary players have had the best part of a month off, played considerably less games than the English and not having a break doesn’t bring the best from a competitive angle… Sorry to sound rude 🙂 Yeah i have always been the first to say yes they earn huge amounts. They are still humans tho. Take players like TAA all season 4 competitions a CL Final. They need rest before the new season starts early. Yet they need to be available for a pointless glorified tournament. Im not the same obviously but after an hour in gym guess what im tired my body needs a rest. Your points are spot on.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 14, 2022 21:29:12 GMT
It supports your point… Difference is players stamina for those last 30 minutes was obvious. Quite a few Hungary players have had the best part of a month off, played considerably less games than the English and not having a break doesn’t bring the best from a competitive angle… It's the mental side as much as the physical side too. That's my main concern to be honest. You see it a lot to maintain that same mentality, desire to win and level of intensity over a long period of time is very tough. Especially when many of them have had that adrenaline dump of winning something at the end of a long, hard season. Fair point The adrenaline dump to get over the line or the disappointment to fail at final hurdle for a fair few as well. Over the line: Man City to win the league Spurs to snatch the champions league place Man Utd to finish top half… Leeds staying up (Phillips) Failing: Liverpool on the league and champions league Arsenal on finishing 5th Add to that Chelsea who’s season finished when Russia invaded Ukraine.
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Post by baystokie on Jun 14, 2022 21:31:13 GMT
I still think the worst part in british football is how media convinces the average player he is world-class until he discovers suddenly he is not that good. And then, when it turns out that they are average, the press absolutely crucify them. Playing in the Premiership can sometimes give a false impression of English players as they are surrounded by 'foreign' players with better technical ability and tactical nous. Take English players away from this environment and their inadequacies are exposed. England seemed to have made progress following their recent competition qualifications but it is evident that the 'pool' of alternatives for selection is quite shallow.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 14, 2022 21:32:54 GMT
It supports your point… Difference is players stamina for those last 30 minutes was obvious. Quite a few Hungary players have had the best part of a month off, played considerably less games than the English and not having a break doesn’t bring the best from a competitive angle… Sorry to sound rude 🙂 Yeah i have always been the first to say yes they earn huge amounts. They are still humans tho. Take players like TAA all season 4 competitions a CL Final. They need rest before the new season starts early. Yet they need to be available for a pointless glorified tournament. Im not the same obviously but after an hour in gym guess what im tired my body needs a rest. Your points are spot on. Add to that only having a few weeks off last summer as well - it’s been a long, long slog for a lot of them. I do like the nations league but it’s good during those international breaks when players are fit, good to go and in their stride. Given how the results have gone I half wish we’d chucked a few more youngsters in and let a few more senior players have a proper holiday.
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Post by jebbstuart on Jun 14, 2022 21:33:46 GMT
Well he has seen what they can collectively do. Ramsdale was poor, the defence even worse the positioning was very poor, midfield offers very little and really only one up front. For the world cup you got to have a squad, think we can draw a line through a couple they may be premier league quality but not international quality. We missed Rice massively in the middle. There just didn't seem to be an outlet for the defence and they were getting frustrated. Foden also offers that link between defence and attack, as does Grealish. Gallagher did alright, it's clear Bowen isn't good enough, Guehi so-so. Phillips was diabolical tonight, as was Saka. Agree with that, the problem with this world cup is you will need a larger squad as fewer rest days between matches, injuries, yellow cards etc. I think we know the best starting team its the squad we need to improve. Say a Kane or Sterling or worse both are missing who is pushing for a place.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 14, 2022 21:37:34 GMT
Given that the excuse seems to be that they are all buggered after a long season, how will they be in 80 degree heat in a World Cup, when the new season starts in 6 weeks time? What have the Hungarian players been doing this past 9 months, haven't they been playing for their clubs too?
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Post by andystokey on Jun 14, 2022 21:38:23 GMT
It's a pointless UEFA competition designed for TV.
If the England team were on sunbeds now and looking forward to a good pre season I'd make us strong favourites for the last 4 come December.
This debacle undermines our entire focus for the WC. We shouldn't be playing any of the finals squad in this joke league.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jun 14, 2022 21:39:47 GMT
And then, when it turns out that they are average, the press absolutely crucify them. Which makes the bad situation even worse, isnt it? Absolutely. They make them out to be something they're not and then hammer them when it turns out they're not.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 14, 2022 21:40:58 GMT
We missed Rice massively in the middle. There just didn't seem to be an outlet for the defence and they were getting frustrated. Foden also offers that link between defence and attack, as does Grealish. Gallagher did alright, it's clear Bowen isn't good enough, Guehi so-so. Phillips was diabolical tonight, as was Saka. Agree with that, the problem with this world cup is you will need a larger squad as fewer rest days between matches, injuries, yellow cards etc. I think we know the best starting team its the squad we need to improve. Say a Kane or Sterling or worse both are missing who is pushing for a place. I think part of it is the other players trusting others as well. Abraham didn’t get a ball in on Saturday but if Kane was up there then the players would’ve taken a few more chances. Plan A with Team A generally works but as you say if we’re missing someone from team A then we start to struggle. A few months to get it right.
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Post by lordb on Jun 14, 2022 21:41:13 GMT
Yeah play eachother home and away. I don't really mind it to be honest but the timing and volume of these matches has been nonsense. I know there's never really a great time to fit them in but I'm sure there'll be spells in the standard League season as there often is. It was good when we were winning games. Do we get relegated to tier b if we finish bottom of the group? Yes
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 14, 2022 21:42:31 GMT
It was good when we were winning games. Do we get relegated to tier b if we finish bottom of the group? Yes Southgate sneakily going to win something then when we get to that final… Like Le Tournoi but better (although that was Brazil, France and Italy so maybe not…)
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Post by jebbstuart on Jun 14, 2022 21:45:14 GMT
In a way good get to see some different teams! Tick a few more countries off the list.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 14, 2022 21:45:19 GMT
Yeah play eachother home and away. I don't really mind it to be honest but the timing and volume of these matches has been nonsense. I know there's never really a great time to fit them in but I'm sure there'll be spells in the standard League season as there often is. It was good when we were winning games. Do we get relegated to tier b if we finish bottom of the group? Yes we do. Pretty obvious most of those players were just going through the motions tonight, desperate for a break after a long season, and knackered. Only good thing to come out of it is that we know our B XI is mediocre at best. If you don't play at least one of Grealish, Foden, Sterling or even Mount there is absolutely zero decent attacking ability in the side. Bellingham and Bowen are ok, but even they were poor tonight. Well done, Hungary, they're a good side. The game reminded me a bit of the 5-1 win we had in Germany 21 years ago, where almost everything goes for you all night.
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Post by jokker on Jun 14, 2022 21:45:43 GMT
He won't get the boot but who would you choose to replace Gareth? I think i'd go either... English: Graham Potter International: Mauricio Pochettino Brendan Rodgers Mourinho would love to manage England - and destroy them in the process.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 14, 2022 21:46:44 GMT
I can’t help thinking that this is the best group of players we’ve had in my lifetime. Yes it’s the end of a long season but we just seem devoid of any attacking flair choosing instead to play the same boring, slow, posession football that MON plays. Unlike MON though Southgate has top players to choose from but chooses to play them in roles that are alien too them. We may well do OK in the World Cup but it’ll be despite of Southgate not because of him. I wonder how many of Bellingham, Fodan and Grealish will start in our first game. I think we’re more likely to see Mount, Henderson and Saka (who I like at club level).
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Post by jokker on Jun 14, 2022 21:51:21 GMT
It was good when we were winning games. Do we get relegated to tier b if we finish bottom of the group? Yes we do. Pretty obvious most of those players were just going through the motions tonight, desperate for a break after a long season, and knackered. Yes but other countries were going through the same thing. Denmark could barely find 11 fit players but still beat Austria. Austria beat Croatia. Croatia beat Denmark. Everyone beat France or drew with them. So stop feeling sorry for yourselves. You're not the only nation going down.
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