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Post by ceejays on Jun 4, 2022 19:21:00 GMT
Grow up lad
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Post by theonlooker on Jun 4, 2022 19:25:06 GMT
Why what's he done?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 4, 2022 19:27:51 GMT
This isn’t going to be some nonsense about him not singing the anthem is it?
I wouldn’t sing it, it’s a fucking dirge.
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Post by scfc75 on Jun 4, 2022 19:36:37 GMT
He was jibbing his ticketless mates over a fence into the ground in Paris. Probably.
Bloody scousers.
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 4, 2022 19:40:34 GMT
This isn’t going to be some nonsense about him not singing the anthem is it? I wouldn’t sing it, it’s a fucking dirge. Well if you agree to represent your national team and you do have a choice then surely you can be patriotic or why bother?
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 4, 2022 19:40:57 GMT
Made up bearded fairy, please save woman.
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Post by Gods on Jun 4, 2022 19:41:08 GMT
I must admit I don't join in.
For some reason I can't precisely pinpoint, I find it mildly embarrassing.
I'm actually hugely proud of this country so it's not that, maybe I don't like shouting about it, I'm genuinely not sure.
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 4, 2022 19:43:27 GMT
I must admit I don't join in. For some reason I can't precisely pin point, I find it mildly embarrassing. I'm actually hugely proud of this country so it's not that, maybe I don't like shouting about it, I'm genuinely not sure. You don't have to shout you sing it but at football with all songs sung we seen to make as much noise as we can! (except the Boothen can't hear a thing from them in the south stand)
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 4, 2022 19:45:02 GMT
Right or wrong I suspect Southgate won’t be very enamoured , retribution will come when it’s settled down
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 4, 2022 19:46:47 GMT
This isn’t going to be some nonsense about him not singing the anthem is it? I wouldn’t sing it, it’s a fucking dirge. Well if you agree to represent your national team and you do have a choice then surely you can be patriotic or why bother? Why do you have to be demonstratively patriotic? Maybe he is patriotic but doesn’t give a shit about the royal family?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 4, 2022 19:47:26 GMT
Right or wrong I suspect Southgate won’t be very enamoured , retribution will come when it’s settled down He’s not Southgate’s first choice for footballing reasons anyway.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 4, 2022 19:51:18 GMT
What the hell is this all about, surely there have been loads of England players who have not sung the national anthem.
It's not compulsory and neither should it be.
There are countries where you can be punished for not singing a national anthem I hope we never become one of those authoritarian states, or is that what people want now?
why is it even a story?
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Post by werrington on Jun 4, 2022 19:53:07 GMT
What the hell is this all about, there have been loads of England players who have not sung the national anthem. It's not compulsory and neither should it be. There are countries where you can be punished for not singing a national anthem I hope we never become one of those authoritarian states, or is that what people want now? Cmon mate we all know why it’s him who’s been singled out You only need to read the OPs posts on a thread not too far down It’s an absolute non story
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 4, 2022 19:54:43 GMT
Well if you agree to represent your national team and you do have a choice then surely you can be patriotic or why bother? Why do you have to be demonstratively patriotic? Maybe he is patriotic but doesn’t give a shit about the royal family? But that what this county is built on, so I assume all those who don't give a shit about the royal family openly withdrew the allocation of the extra bank holiday and worked it then?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 4, 2022 19:56:47 GMT
Why do you have to be demonstratively patriotic? Maybe he is patriotic but doesn’t give a shit about the royal family? But that what this county is built on, so I assume all those who don't give a shit about the royal family openly withdrew the allocation of the extra bank holiday and worked it then? In what way is it ‘what this country is built on’?
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 4, 2022 19:57:34 GMT
Why do you have to be demonstratively patriotic? Maybe he is patriotic but doesn’t give a shit about the royal family? But that what this county is built on, so I assume all those who don't give a shit about the royal family openly withdrew the allocation of the extra bank holiday and worked it then? No. I pay enough in tax to keep them in palaces and costumes. I'll take the day off thanks.
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 4, 2022 19:58:51 GMT
But that what this county is built on, so I assume all those who don't give a shit about the royal family openly withdrew the allocation of the extra bank holiday and worked it then? In what way is it ‘what this country is built on’? We're built on a German and Greek family of immigrants who gets benefits. I think that's what he means.
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Post by werrington on Jun 4, 2022 19:58:59 GMT
This must be the third thread in two weeks on singing the national anthem
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 4, 2022 20:05:51 GMT
But that what this county is built on, so I assume all those who don't give a shit about the royal family openly withdrew the allocation of the extra bank holiday and worked it then? In what way is it ‘what this country is built on’? Nothing you will be what you usually are on here so on this subject no point trying, although one question where did democracy evolve from?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 4, 2022 20:17:41 GMT
In what way is it ‘what this country is built on’? Nothing you will be what you usually are on here so on this subject no point trying, although one question where did democracy evolve from? What am I usually on here? Are you giving the royal family the credit for democracy?!
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 4, 2022 20:31:39 GMT
Nothing you will be what you usually are on here so on this subject no point trying, although one question where did democracy evolve from? What am I usually on here? Are you giving the royal family the credit for democracy?! I am saying that this country was ruled by the royal family for many centuries so how can you not say that this country wasn't built on that foundation? And yes when the monarchy did decide it would be best if we had an independent view point that's when democracy came in.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 4, 2022 20:34:03 GMT
What am I usually on here? Are you giving the royal family the credit for democracy?! I am saying that this country was ruled by the royal family for many centuries so how can you not say that this country wasn't built on that foundation? And yes when the monarchy did decide it would be best if we had an independent view point that's when democracy came in. It depends which part of that ‘foundation’ you value I guess. The monarchy decided benevolently that it would be best if someone else had a crack at running things? That’s really not my understanding of history, which monarch decided that?
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 4, 2022 20:44:41 GMT
I am saying that this country was ruled by the royal family for many centuries so how can you not say that this country wasn't built on that foundation? And yes when the monarchy did decide it would be best if we had an independent view point that's when democracy came in. It depends which part of that ‘foundation’ you value I guess. The monarchy decided benevolently that it would be best if someone else had a crack at running things? That’s really not my understanding of history, which monarch decided that? It doesn't matter what I value it's a fact the royal family ruled either way. So tell me then when and why the royal family stopped ruling the country? Don't bother we both know that Charles death in 1649 was the turning point.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 4, 2022 20:51:10 GMT
It depends which part of that ‘foundation’ you value I guess. The monarchy decided benevolently that it would be best if someone else had a crack at running things? That’s really not my understanding of history, which monarch decided that? It doesn't matter what I value it's a fact the royal family ruled either way. So tell me then when and why the royal family stopped ruling the country? It does matter what you value yes. The fact that they ruled doesn’t mean they’re unquestionably what this country is built on. The royal family didn’t benevolently and willingly hand over power, it was forced on them, first to a degree by the Magna Carta and then centuries later a process started by the civil war.
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 4, 2022 20:56:52 GMT
It doesn't matter what I value it's a fact the royal family ruled either way. So tell me then when and why the royal family stopped ruling the country? It does matter what you value yes. The fact that they ruled doesn’t mean they’re unquestionably what this country is built on. The royal family didn’t benevolently and willingly hand over power, it was forced on them, first to a degree by the Magna Carta and then centuries later a process started by the civil war. So we have to dismiss many centuries of our history?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 4, 2022 20:58:44 GMT
It does matter what you value yes. The fact that they ruled doesn’t mean they’re unquestionably what this country is built on. The royal family didn’t benevolently and willingly hand over power, it was forced on them, first to a degree by the Magna Carta and then centuries later a process started by the civil war. So we have to dismiss many centuries of our history? Not dismiss them no, just analyse them a bit.
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