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Post by gaznandi on May 25, 2022 10:19:33 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on May 25, 2022 10:25:44 GMT
They speak out now four years later when it's all done and away.
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Post by xchpotter on May 25, 2022 10:45:26 GMT
They speak out now four years later when it's all done and away. Exactly. Begs the question what efforts the "seasoned pros" made to sort it out. The general lack of effort and personal responsibility still seems to be in abundance now, so goodness knows what went on and continues to take place. |
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Post by JoeinOz on May 25, 2022 11:01:07 GMT
They speak out now four years later when it's all done and away. Exactly. Begs the question what efforts the "seasoned pros" made to sort it out. The general lack of effort and personal responsibility still seems to be in abundance now, so goodness knows what went on and continues to take place. Exactly. Did we have Crouchy leading and cajoling them? Or did he just decide keep quiet to avoid controversy and wait for his next appearance on Ant and Dec? I like Pete but these 'revelations' are getting tiresome. |
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Post by AlbertTatlock on May 25, 2022 11:15:36 GMT
No real revelations though, we all knew what the problems were except those in charge. Seem like some toilet paper rag is short of something to print, cheap lazy journalism but what do you expect from the Daily Star. Gouranga.  |
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Post by nottsover60 on May 25, 2022 11:20:18 GMT
Exactly. Begs the question what efforts the "seasoned pros" made to sort it out. The general lack of effort and personal responsibility still seems to be in abundance now, so goodness knows what went on and continues to take place. Exactly. Did we have Crouchy leading and cajoling them? Or did he just decide keep quiet to avoid controversy and wait for his next appearance on Ant and Dec? I like Pete but these 'revelations' are getting tiresome. To be fair he admits his part. The telling bit is 'none of the 4 managers' - who are the 3rd and 4th? according to him could get a tune out of them. Does that mean it went into the following season and he includes Rowett and Jones? Backs up what I was told about Rowett but also asks the question of who exactly the bad recruits were. You are looking at players brought in by Hughes and still here for the first Championship season. You look at Bauer, Wimmer, Etebo and N'diaye and, I hate to say it, but the most involved in the Championship, Allen. |
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Post by werrington on May 25, 2022 11:31:08 GMT
Exactly. Begs the question what efforts the "seasoned pros" made to sort it out. The general lack of effort and personal responsibility still seems to be in abundance now, so goodness knows what went on and continues to take place. Exactly. Did we have Crouchy leading and cajoling them? Or did he just decide keep quiet to avoid controversy and wait for his next appearance on Ant and Dec? I like Pete but these 'revelations' are getting tiresome. He slaughtered Shaqiri I seem to remember? The same Shaqiri who was one of the players who couldn’t be criticised |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on May 25, 2022 11:31:20 GMT
Crouch was one of the worst offenders.
The place was a country club for the boys.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 25, 2022 11:35:44 GMT
Exactly. Did we have Crouchy leading and cajoling them? Or did he just decide keep quiet to avoid controversy and wait for his next appearance on Ant and Dec? I like Pete but these 'revelations' are getting tiresome. He slaughtered Shaqiri I seem to remember? The same Shaqiri who was one of the players who couldn’t be criticised Agree. I was with you for the second half home to Burnley and we both noticed Shaqiri was the only one ho looked remotely like making the difference and digging us a win out. |
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Post by werrington on May 25, 2022 11:38:40 GMT
He slaughtered Shaqiri I seem to remember? The same Shaqiri who was one of the players who couldn’t be criticised Agree. I was with you for the second half home to Burnley and we both noticed Shaqiri was the only one ho looked remotely like making the difference and digging us a win out. Ndiaye was another who couldn’t be criticised |
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Post by JoeinOz on May 25, 2022 12:02:41 GMT
Agree. I was with you for the second half home to Burnley and we both noticed Shaqiri was the only one ho looked remotely like making the difference and digging us a win out. Ndiaye was another who couldn’t be criticised Yeah true. For some of them though it was galling watching them bumbling around knowing they had more to give. |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on May 25, 2022 12:05:53 GMT
Wasn’t it Imbula that walked off the pitch coz they wouldn’t pass it to him?
What a tosser!
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Post by FranktheRabbit on May 25, 2022 12:08:09 GMT
Wasn’t it Imbula that walked off the pitch coz they wouldn’t pass it to him? What a tosser! Yes, then subbed himself back on when he come out of his cob. Hughes allowed it to happen. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 25, 2022 12:09:06 GMT
Too many players saw Stoke City has some sort of cash cow.
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Post by RF10 on May 25, 2022 12:31:43 GMT
Wasn’t it Imbula that walked off the pitch coz they wouldn’t pass it to him? What a tosser! Yes, then subbed himself back on when he come out of his cob. Hughes allowed it to happen. Didn't it also come out we had clubs after hom to make a big profit at the point too? Knowing his attitude its criminal they didn't cash in. |
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Post by theonlooker on May 25, 2022 12:47:51 GMT
"We all sat in the dressing room in Pre Season and called relegation"
Shithouses, the lot of them.
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Post by kustokie on May 25, 2022 13:21:41 GMT
Crouch was one of the worst offenders. The place was a country club for the boys. Interesting. I’m genuinely interested in learning how’s you know this for a fact. If you made it up you’re no better than the average tabloid journalist who makes stuff up to sell newspapers. |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on May 25, 2022 13:23:59 GMT
Crouch was one of the worst offenders. The place was a country club for the boys. Interesting. I’m genuinely interested in learning how’s you know this for a fact. If you made it up you’re no better than the average tabloid journalist who makes stuff up to sell newspapers. I don't, that's just the vibe I got. It felt like the club was treated as a high end golf club where the boys went for a piss up and a round of 18 with the occasional game of football thrown in. |
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Post by anchorman on May 25, 2022 13:27:13 GMT
I sat in my living room and called relegation. I could smell it a mile off. The shithouses are the idiots who failed to relieve Hughes of his duties a year earlier, Hughes himself because as I said from day one. He walked into a club, a team built on a decade of hard graft, the building of a culture of togetherness, a never say die attitude and a spine/core willing to run through the proverbial brick wall for Stoke City. Unfortunately, despite some breath taking football on occasion's, Hughes was and never will be capable of building his own spine. Once that went it was game over. It was always inevitable in my opinion and we are still paying the price. The culture starts at the very top of course and as much I appreciate bet365 and the Coates family, John Coates (bless him) hasn't got a scooby. And re Crouch's comments that we would have survived with Huth, Walters & Whelhan around. He's absolutely bang on the money. There's a real spine.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 25, 2022 13:33:35 GMT
I sat in my living room and called relegation. I could smell it a mile off. The shithouses are the idiots who failed to relieve Hughes of his duties a year earlier, Hughes himself because as I said from day one. He walked into a club, a team built on a decade of hard graft, the building of a culture of togetherness, a never say die attitude and a spine/core willing to run through the proverbial brick wall for Stoke City. Unfortunately, despite some breath taking football on occasion's, Hughes was and never will be capable of building his own spine. Once that went it was game over. It was always inevitable in my opinion and we are still paying the price. The culture starts at the very top of course and as much I appreciate bet365 and the Coates family, John Coates (bless him) hasn't got a scooby. And re Crouch's comments that we would have survived with Huth, Walters & Whelhan around. He's absolutely bang on the money. There's a real spine. Walters was absolutely shot. He barely played for Burnley and we robbed them blind for £3m. Whelan's legs were going too. He did Villa a serviceable job in the Championship but was a big part of the midfield wasteland that was getting us regular tonkings long before the relegation season. The assessment of Hughes in terms of building his own side is probably fair but it's massively disingenuous to say we walked into a club that was fine and dandy and wrecked it. The 'never say die attitude' wasn't much in evidence in his predecessor's last 18 months when they failed to win 77% of their games. He revitalised the club and improved it by most conceivable metrics before we royally cocked things up. |
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Post by LGH87 on May 25, 2022 13:34:41 GMT
I sat in my living room and called relegation. I could smell it a mile off. The shithouses are the idiots who failed to relieve Hughes of his duties a year earlier, Hughes himself because as I said from day one. He walked into a club, a team built on a decade of hard graft, the building of a culture of togetherness, a never say die attitude and a spine/core willing to run through the proverbial brick wall for Stoke City. Unfortunately, despite some breath taking football on occasion's, Hughes was and never will be capable of building his own spine. Once that went it was game over. It was always inevitable in my opinion and we are still paying the price. The culture starts at the very top of course and as much I appreciate bet365 and the Coates family, John Coates (bless him) hasn't got a scooby. And re Crouch's comments that we would have survived with Huth, Walters & Whelhan around. He's absolutely bang on the money. There's a real spine. Huth left 3 years previously and played no part in us finishing 9th three seasons in a row, so to say we'd have stayed up if we still had Huth at the club is a bit of a pointless statement. As for Walters and Whelan, they were clearly finished at the top level by the time they left so probably would've added to the problems, not solved them. |
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Post by nottsover60 on May 25, 2022 13:47:30 GMT
I sat in my living room and called relegation. I could smell it a mile off. The shithouses are the idiots who failed to relieve Hughes of his duties a year earlier, Hughes himself because as I said from day one. He walked into a club, a team built on a decade of hard graft, the building of a culture of togetherness, a never say die attitude and a spine/core willing to run through the proverbial brick wall for Stoke City. Unfortunately, despite some breath taking football on occasion's, Hughes was and never will be capable of building his own spine. Once that went it was game over. It was always inevitable in my opinion and we are still paying the price. The culture starts at the very top of course and as much I appreciate bet365 and the Coates family, John Coates (bless him) hasn't got a scooby. And re Crouch's comments that we would have survived with Huth, Walters & Whelhan around. He's absolutely bang on the money. There's a real spine. Huth left 3 years previously and played no part in us finishing 9th three seasons in a row, so to say we'd have stayed up if we still had Huth at the club is a bit of a pointless statement. As for Walters and Whelan, they were clearly finished at the top level by the time they left so probably would've added to the problems, not solved them. The problem wasn't who left but who we replaced them with. If anything we have generally kept players for too long. |
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Post by spitthedog on May 25, 2022 13:48:55 GMT
I sat in my living room and called relegation. I could smell it a mile off. The shithouses are the idiots who failed to relieve Hughes of his duties a year earlier, Hughes himself because as I said from day one. He walked into a club, a team built on a decade of hard graft, the building of a culture of togetherness, a never say die attitude and a spine/core willing to run through the proverbial brick wall for Stoke City. Unfortunately, despite some breath taking football on occasion's, Hughes was and never will be capable of building his own spine. Once that went it was game over. It was always inevitable in my opinion and we are still paying the price. The culture starts at the very top of course and as much I appreciate bet365 and the Coates family, John Coates (bless him) hasn't got a scooby. And re Crouch's comments that we would have survived with Huth, Walters & Whelhan around. He's absolutely bang on the money. There's a real spine. Walters was absolutely shot. He barely played for Burnley and we robbed them blind for £3m. Whelan's legs were going too. He did Villa a serviceable job in the Championship but was a big part of the midfield wasteland that was getting us regular tonkings long before the relegation season. The assessment of Hughes in terms of building his own side is probably fair but it's massively disingenuous to say we walked into a club that was fine and dandy and wrecked it. The 'never say die attitude' wasn't much in evidence in his predecessor's last 18 months when they failed to win 77% of their games. He revitalised the club and improved it by most conceivable metrics before we royally cocked things up. The club was in a bit of a mess when Hughes arrived, there were loads of players who were passed it, not fit or not good enough like Whitehead, Delap, Sidibe, Upson, Kightly, Shea, Shotton and Etherington he had to get rid of these and was given no budget to replace them initially. It was pretty threadbare squad and he brought in Pieters, Arnie and Ireland all within £5m and that was a big improvement straight away. Odemwingie was also a master stroke. Everyone thought we were going to get relegated when Hughes came in given the state of the squad. The players he brought in initially (Moses, Bojan etc) improved the squad considerably. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 25, 2022 13:49:47 GMT
The claim that he was some kind of peripheral figure so he didn't feel able to be vocal to the troublemakers in the squad when he played the 9th most minutes of any outfield player and featured in 31 games in some capacity is fucking laughable sorry. He nearly played more that season than the previous two combined.
He's had absolutely no problem talking about it on his many podcast appearances ad infinitum after the fact along with Glen Johnson and Irn Bru, or talking about how they all took the piss out of Wollscheid etc
It's a sorry chapter in our history and I wish they'd all stop talking about it in truth because I don't think anyone comes out of well or looks like they're doing anything else but trying to cover their own arse.
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Post by nottsover60 on May 25, 2022 13:52:15 GMT
Watch the highlights of that match against Liverpool and tell me Hughes was an awful manager. The problem was he got carried away trying to bring in marquee signings instead of what he needed.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 13:54:01 GMT
I preferred Richard ' cresser ' cresswell, to crouch , at least he played his heart out .
Signed as blatant back up and second string to the massively more talented footballer ric fuller , he actually managed to finish the season with decent stats , even compared to ric .
He played to 110 per cent of his limited ability in every match and literally got our promotion over the line
If crouch and co had given everything and arguably even a bit more than that , cresser style , we might actually have stayed up .
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 25, 2022 14:15:17 GMT
Imbula what a complete and utter wanker walking off a pitch because nobody would pass to him😡Hang your fuckin head in shame Mark Hughes for signing this utter cnut along with Wimmer and that lazy bastard Berahino,absolutely scandalous
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Post by questionable on May 25, 2022 14:20:52 GMT
No real revelations though, we all knew what the problems were except those in charge. Seem like some toilet paper rag is short of something to print, cheap lazy journalism but what do you expect from the Daily Star. Gouranga. We’ve learnt the square root of .... all, we’ve binned over paid shit players with still paying shit players. ON is a poor mans Hughes and don’t get me started on Jnr’s reign 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 |
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Post by hardcastle on May 25, 2022 14:21:20 GMT
I sat in my living room and called relegation. I could smell it a mile off. The shithouses are the idiots who failed to relieve Hughes of his duties a year earlier, Hughes himself because as I said from day one. He walked into a club, a team built on a decade of hard graft, the building of a culture of togetherness, a never say die attitude and a spine/core willing to run through the proverbial brick wall for Stoke City. Unfortunately, despite some breath taking football on occasion's, Hughes was and never will be capable of building his own spine. Once that went it was game over. It was always inevitable in my opinion and we are still paying the price. The culture starts at the very top of course and as much I appreciate bet365 and the Coates family, John Coates (bless him) hasn't got a scooby. And re Crouch's comments that we would have survived with Huth, Walters & Whelhan around. He's absolutely bang on the money. There's a real spine. Huth left 3 years previously and played no part in us finishing 9th three seasons in a row, so to say we'd have stayed up if we still had Huth at the club is a bit of a pointless statement. As for Walters and Whelan, they were clearly finished at the top level by the time they left so probably would've added to the problems, not solved them. Spot on. How many times does it need saying. It wasn't Hughes' decision to no longer play Huth, Whelan and Walters that was our undoing (they were all in decline by then) it was his poor choice of choice of replacements such as Jesse and lmbula. |
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Post by werrington on May 25, 2022 14:22:42 GMT
Imbula what a complete and utter wanker walking off a pitch because nobody would pass to him😡Hang your fuckin head in shame Mark Hughes for signing this utter cnut along with Wimmer and that lazy bastard Berahino,absolutely scandalous The ones who need to hang their heads are the ones like Crouch who sat back and allowed it to happen |
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