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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 14, 2022 14:58:57 GMT
Having a manager who had won any of the major trophies in English football (The League, FA Cup or League Cup) while managing with any of their previous clubs.
It would seem we like managers who have never won anything of importance.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 14, 2022 15:02:37 GMT
Brian Little won the League Cup!
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Post by J-Roar on May 14, 2022 15:03:05 GMT
Having a manager who had won any of the major trophies in English football (The League, FA Cup or League Cup) while managing with any of their previous clubs. It would seem we like managers who have never won anything of importance. Brian Little |
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Post by J-Roar on May 14, 2022 15:03:47 GMT
Brian Little won the League Cup! Just too quick! |
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Post by J-Roar on May 14, 2022 15:05:14 GMT
Having a manager who had won any of the major trophies in English football (The League, FA Cup or League Cup) while managing with any of their previous clubs. It would seem we like managers who have never won anything of importance. I'd guess the same applies to a lot of clubs |
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Post by jokker on May 14, 2022 15:28:20 GMT
When two of your managers' main background is that of Welsh and NI it narrows down their possibility of winning "anything of importance" considerably. They could only have won the World Cup or the Euros, but that was never going to happen.
If we'd waited six months before signing Nathan Jones, he might have won L1 promotion, but that trophy's unlikely to impress any Stokie.
Five of the last six managers have been signed because they ranked high on an unknown list in the Coates' little book pf potential managers, so "winning things" don't seem to have any real importance in the job profile.
They didn't apply for the job, but Lambert did. I don't recall who the other applicants were, but I would still conclude that managers who are out to "win anything of importance " don't apply at a club where they've won one major trophy in 160 years...
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Post by baystokie on May 14, 2022 16:22:42 GMT
Having a manager who had won any of the major trophies in English football (The League, FA Cup or League Cup) while managing with any of their previous clubs. It would seem we like managers who have never won anything of importance. Bill Shankly took over at Liverpool in 1962(?) never having won anything as a manager whilst at Carlisle, Workington or Huddersfield. Liverpool had won the 1st Division title in 1947 (don't we know it!) but previous League titles had been earlier in 20th Century. They had never won the FA Cup prior to his arrival.. We just need to find the next Shankly |
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Post by lordb on May 14, 2022 16:26:40 GMT
Having a manager who had won any of the major trophies in English football (The League, FA Cup or League Cup) while managing with any of their previous clubs. It would seem we like managers who have never won anything of importance. Bill Shankly took over at Liverpool in 1962(?) never having won anything as a manager whilst at Carlisle, Workington or Huddersfield. Liverpool had won the 1st Division title in 1947 (don't we know it!) but previous League titles had been earlier in 20th Century. They had never won the FA Cup prior to his arrival.. We just need to find the next Shankly Would Shankly had achieved even a small percentage of the same success in the modern era where there a handful of mega rich clubs which excludes everyone else from sustainable success? |
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Post by baystokie on May 14, 2022 17:09:04 GMT
Bill Shankly took over at Liverpool in 1962(?) never having won anything as a manager whilst at Carlisle, Workington or Huddersfield. Liverpool had won the 1st Division title in 1947 (don't we know it!) but previous League titles had been earlier in 20th Century. They had never won the FA Cup prior to his arrival.. We just need to find the next Shankly Would Shankly had achieved even a small percentage of the same success in the modern era where there a handful of mega rich clubs which excludes everyone else from sustainable success? We'll never know, of course. The biggest stumbling block to a Shankly-type story is the requirement of Premier and Championship fans these days for instant, or near instant, success. They won't allow a long-term project like Shankly (or Ferguson) even if it were achievable |
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 14, 2022 17:17:16 GMT
Gudjon is the most 'decorated' manager we've ever had isn't he?
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Post by lordb on May 14, 2022 17:40:42 GMT
Gudjon is the most 'decorated' manager we've ever had isn't he? Boskamp won Belgian league I think? |
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Post by cliffpark06 on May 14, 2022 21:12:01 GMT
Alan Durban won the league
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Post by boweryboy on May 14, 2022 21:59:58 GMT
Alan Ball won the World Cup 😄😄😄 I'll get me coat !!
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Post by Gods on May 14, 2022 22:33:41 GMT
The trouble is the 3 major tropies are always won by one of the Big 6 clubs these days so unless we poach a Big 6 manager or appoint one who has fallen on hard times it won't happen. Arsene Wenger anyone?
Our best realistic hope now would be to appoint 'Big' Ron Atkinson who has 4 of the trophies to which you refer but he is rather frowned upon in polite society these days :-)
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Post by SamB_SCFC on May 15, 2022 0:16:49 GMT
Would Shankly had achieved even a small percentage of the same success in the modern era where there a handful of mega rich clubs which excludes everyone else from sustainable success? We'll never know, of course. The biggest stumbling block to a Shankly-type story is the requirement of Premier and Championship fans these days for instant, or near instant, success. They won't allow a long-term project like Shankly (or Ferguson) even if it were achievable It's the same with Ferguson. His results in his early seasons were very average and nowadays he wouldn't have made it past a season and a half with the results he got. And he nearly ended up getting the sack even back then, he was just lucky that the FA Cup was still important back then and a Third Round win was considered important enough to save his job whereas it definitely wouldn't be now. It's a hard balance to know when to sack a manager who's had mediocre, but not necessarily disastrous results. We're in one of those situations now with O'Neill. He's had 2 and a half seasons and while he'd not been a disaster, he's not been a success either and you'd consider his results overall as average or below average. Do we stick with him and assume his transfer dealings have been hampered by having to walk the FFP tightrope and now things might improve now we got rid if almost all our high earners? Or do we consider he's had long enough with no obvious signs of improvement so it's time to go? |
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Post by marrer on May 15, 2022 2:40:08 GMT
Gudjon is the most 'decorated' manager we've ever had isn't he? Used to spend many a happy day catching them down at the canal in Stone |
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Post by mart57 on May 15, 2022 9:03:26 GMT
According to Wikipedia Hughes won a few
Manchester United[196]
Premier League: 1992–93, 1993–94
FA Cup: 1984–85, 1989–90, 1993–94
Football League Cup: 1991–92
FA Charity Shield: 1990 (shared), 1993, 1994
European Cup Winners' Cup: 1990–91
European Super Cup: 1991
Chelsea[198]
FA Cup: 1996–97
Football League Cup: 1997–98
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup: 1997–98
Blackburn Rovers
Football League Cup: 2001–02
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Post by Gods on May 15, 2022 13:44:25 GMT
According to Wikipedia Hughes won a few Manchester United[196] Premier League: 1992–93, 1993–94 FA Cup: 1984–85, 1989–90, 1993–94 Football League Cup: 1991–92 FA Charity Shield: 1990 (shared), 1993, 1994 European Cup Winners' Cup: 1990–91 European Super Cup: 1991 Chelsea[198] FA Cup: 1996–97 Football League Cup: 1997–98 UEFA Cup Winners' Cup: 1997–98 Blackburn Rovers Football League Cup: 2001–02 He said 'while a manager ' :-) |
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