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Post by scfcwebby on May 8, 2022 8:25:09 GMT
Something stood out to me yesterday, I've noticed it for a long time but it really annoyed me yesterday
When defending a corner, why do we have every single one of our players in the box and no one on the halfway line? All that was happening was, we'd clear the ball and it would come straight back to us because we didn't have an out ball.
Coventry on the other hand placed 2 of their forwards on the halfway line, not only does that give them an out ball, but it drags a number of our players out of their box giving us less options.
It's something that we've done for a while but yesterday it really got on my tits
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 8, 2022 8:30:11 GMT
Most managers do it.
There must be something they’ve been told/read or some stat that shows it’s the best way.
Because for the life of me I can’t see how it’s anything but a load of old shite.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 8, 2022 8:31:55 GMT
It’s insanity
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Post by fraybentos on May 8, 2022 8:34:29 GMT
I wonder what the stats are from scoring off corners, one of the best dead ball specialists in our league(Vrancic) and im struggling to think of any goals scored apart from brown.
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Post by onefatcopper on May 8, 2022 9:32:38 GMT
I wonder what the stats are from scoring off corners, one of the best dead ball specialists in our league(Vrancic) and im struggling to think of any goals scored apart from brown. I can never understand why we don’t use a set piece that we were once renowned for eg McGuire & O’Callaghan ? We must have someone who can take a corner and land it onto Soutar’s head who would dominate the near post then flick it on into the box, it used to be unplayable.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 8, 2022 9:33:27 GMT
Don't start me on corners
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Post by scfcwebby on May 8, 2022 9:38:37 GMT
Don't start me on corners We just don't Use it Joe 🤦🏻♂️
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Post by davethebass on May 8, 2022 9:40:03 GMT
A thread about corners use it
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Post by chuckrocky on May 8, 2022 9:40:13 GMT
As bad as our set-pieces are they aren’t a patch on our throw-ins. I don’t have any stats but I’d wager that around 80% of our throw-ins end up with us turning the ball over to the opposition.
I seem to remember the manager mentioning it previously and stated that we’d been working hard on them on the training ground. I’d love to know what this training involved.
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May 8, 2022 9:40:33 GMT
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Post by onefatcopper on May 8, 2022 9:40:33 GMT
Don't start me on corners Don’t you rate our defensive or offensive play at corners, do you have any ideas how the team could improve in this area of play ? whats your opinion on this overlooked passage of play ?
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Post by davethebass on May 8, 2022 9:41:36 GMT
Don't start me on corners We just don't Use it Joe 🤦🏻♂️ lol you beat me to it
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Post by xchpotter on May 8, 2022 9:46:38 GMT
I’m more bothered about the corners we get where within 10 seconds of striking the ball we’ve lost possession and the opposition are bearing down on our penalty area. Sheer incompetence and like many other parts of the way we play should be eradicated on the training pitches. I do wonder what actually happens in training because it sure as hell doesn’t work during a game.
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Post by onefatcopper on May 8, 2022 9:53:42 GMT
Why is the corner spot marked with a crescent ? Nobody uses it any more, they place the ball on the very edge of the white line just to gain those extra few millimetres BAN IT, bring real football back and make them put it into the semicircle, if not it’s a straight red.
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May 8, 2022 10:27:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2022 10:27:03 GMT
As least we filled them in
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Post by tachyon on May 8, 2022 10:34:10 GMT
How strange that our attacking and defensive record from corners is one of the best in the league.
Last two seasons, we've taken roughly as many as we've faced, yet, respectively in 20/21 and 21/22 we've created a net 24% and 30% more scoring opportunities from corners compared to our concession numbers.
We've created a net positive 60% & 65% more xG from corner situations and the quality of the chances we've created is 30% higher than those we've allowed.
Training ground work paying off big time, fan wisdom, not so much.
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May 8, 2022 10:37:53 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on May 8, 2022 10:37:53 GMT
Don't start me on corners Don’t you rate our defensive or offensive play at corners, do you have any ideas how the team could improve in this area of play ? whats your opinion on this overlooked passage of play ? Overlooked it is. In each game, even when against teams much better it'd be unlikely not to get a corner. Despite being a clear opportunity to create a goalscoring chance only 6% of corners produce goals. They need movement as the ball is struck. The ball in doesn't have to be 100% accurate but it does have to go to the right areas of the goalmouth. The best place for a corner to land is usually around the penalty spot. However a good headerer a forward is if the delivery isn't at the right pace and height it'll be wasted. One great one would be being able to land the ball just below the bar at the dark post. Imagine the chaos. Defences having to pack the far post meaning you could land one elsewhere into more space. I did say don't start me 😉
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Post by fraybentos on May 8, 2022 11:18:03 GMT
How strange that our attacking and defensive record from corners is one of the best in the league. Last two seasons, we've taken roughly as many as we've faced, yet, respectively in 20/21 and 21/22 we've created a net 24% and 30% more scoring opportunities from corners compared to our concession numbers. We've created a net positive 60% & 65% more xG from corner situations and the quality of the chances we've created is 30% higher than those we've allowed. Training ground work paying off big time, fan wisdom, not so much. created but not scored
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Post by fraybentos on May 8, 2022 11:21:39 GMT
I wonder what the stats are from scoring off corners, one of the best dead ball specialists in our league(Vrancic) and im struggling to think of any goals scored apart from brown. I can never understand why we don’t use a set piece that we were once renowned for eg McGuire & O’Callaghan ? We must have someone who can take a corner and land it onto Soutar’s head who would dominate the near post then flick it on into the box, it used to be unplayable. crazy looking back this season, having Soutar up for corners, when hes back, surely they must work on this
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Post by lordb on May 8, 2022 11:46:10 GMT
Something stood out to me yesterday, I've noticed it for a long time but it really annoyed me yesterday When defending a corner, why do we have every single one of our players in the box and no one on the halfway line? All that was happening was, we'd clear the ball and it would come straight back to us because we didn't have an out ball. Coventry on the other hand placed 2 of their forwards on the halfway line, not only does that give them an out ball, but it drags a number of our players out of their box giving us less options. It's something that we've done for a while but yesterday it really got on my tits DWP stayed up when he came on which is the first time I've seen Stoke do that possibly for decades Vast majority of managers have every player back, it's Shyte
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Post by theonlooker on May 8, 2022 11:53:19 GMT
Why is the corner spot marked with a crescent ? Nobody uses it any more, they place the ball on the very edge of the white line just to gain those extra few millimetres BAN IT, bring real football back and make them put it into the semicircle, if not it’s a straight red. Ball doesn't have to be in the quadrant. The law states that a theoretical vertical line drawn down from the edge of the ball must be level with the white line, meaning the bottom of the ball (touching the ground) can be outside of the quadrant.
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Post by Clem Fandango on May 8, 2022 12:14:33 GMT
As bad as our set-pieces are they aren’t a patch on our throw-ins. I don’t have any stats but I’d wager that around 80% of our throw-ins end up with us turning the ball over to the opposition. I seem to remember the manager mentioning it previously and stated that we’d been working hard on them on the training ground. I’d love to know what this training involved. God knows. A couple of times yesterday Sparrow threw the ball to Allen who tried to pass it back to him only for it go straight out of play. At times so much basic stuff is letting us down. We also only ever seem to have one option when taking a throw in and the opposition can easily cover it.
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Post by tachyon on May 8, 2022 14:00:24 GMT
How strange that our attacking and defensive record from corners is one of the best in the league. Last two seasons, we've taken roughly as many as we've faced, yet, respectively in 20/21 and 21/22 we've created a net 24% and 30% more scoring opportunities from corners compared to our concession numbers. We've created a net positive 60% & 65% more xG from corner situations and the quality of the chances we've created is 30% higher than those we've allowed. Training ground work paying off big time, fan wisdom, not so much. created but not scored The former matters much more than the latter in the long run.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 8, 2022 14:06:05 GMT
Why is the corner spot marked with a crescent ? Nobody uses it any more, they place the ball on the very edge of the white line just to gain those extra few millimetres BAN IT, bring real football back and make them put it into the semicircle, if not it’s a straight red. Ball doesn't have to be in the quadrant. The law states that a theoretical vertical line drawn down from the edge of the ball must be level with the white line, meaning the bottom of the ball (touching the ground) can be outside of the quadrant. Why do people get worked up about such nonsense.
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Post by onefatcopper on May 8, 2022 17:02:32 GMT
Why is the corner spot marked with a crescent ? Nobody uses it any more, they place the ball on the very edge of the white line just to gain those extra few millimetres BAN IT, bring real football back and make them put it into the semicircle, if not it’s a straight red. Ball doesn't have to be in the quadrant. The law states that a theoretical vertical line drawn down from the edge of the ball must be level with the white line, meaning the bottom of the ball (touching the ground) can be outside of the quadrant. Then why have the quadrant ? Have a thought for the poor groundsman, the effort he must put in to manoeuvre his paint machine so we get four semi circles (quadrants) that are now redundant must really piss him off. Bring back real football, with tackles from behind, pitches in May that had more sand than grass, footballers who knew that the ball must be inside the quadrant (semi circle)
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 8, 2022 17:26:26 GMT
Every time we concede a corner, I cack mesen.
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Post by AlliG on May 8, 2022 19:26:35 GMT
Ball doesn't have to be in the quadrant. The law states that a theoretical vertical line drawn down from the edge of the ball must be level with the white line, meaning the bottom of the ball (touching the ground) can be outside of the quadrant. Then why have the quadrant ? Have a thought for the poor groundsman, the effort he must put in to manoeuvre his paint machine so we get four semi circles (quadrants) that are now redundant must really piss him off. Bring back real football, with tackles from behind, pitches in May that had more sand than grass, footballers who knew that the ball must be inside the quadrant (semi circle) Pedant alert!! A quadrant isn't a semi-circle. The only semi-circles on a football pitch are the "D"s on the edge of the penalty area (or being pedantically pedantic you could include the 2 halves of the centre-circle) As to the original point, I am sure I remember hearing a manager some years ago explain that having as many players as possible in the penalty area reduced the amount of space and therefore the opportunity for an attacker to have a clear run and a "free" header. Even the little blokes like Joe Allen can be used to get in the way of big blokes to make it just that bit more difficult to get a good run and header. I am sure TPs view was that he thought stopping the opposition scoring was more important than the possibility that we could score on the counter-attack. It would be interesting to see if there is any real data to show whether the number of defenders back does actually reduce the percentage of goals scored from corners.
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Post by onefatcopper on May 8, 2022 20:08:34 GMT
Then why have the quadrant ? Have a thought for the poor groundsman, the effort he must put in to manoeuvre his paint machine so we get four semi circles (quadrants) that are now redundant must really piss him off. Bring back real football, with tackles from behind, pitches in May that had more sand than grass, footballers who knew that the ball must be inside the quadrant (semi circle) Pedant alert!! A quadrant isn't a semi-circle. The only semi-circles on a football pitch are the "D"s on the edge of the penalty area (or being pedantically pedantic you could include the 2 halves of the centre-circle) As to the original point, I am sure I remember hearing a manager some years ago explain that having as many players as possible in the penalty area reduced the amount of space and therefore the opportunity for an attacker to have a clear run and a "free" header. Even the little blokes like Joe Allen can be used to get in the way of big blokes to make it just that bit more difficult to get a good run and header. I am sure TPs view was that he thought stopping the opposition scoring was more important than the possibility that we could score on the counter-attack. It would be interesting to see if there is any real data to show whether the number of defenders back does actually reduce the percentage of goals scored from corners. What about the 2x penalty spots ? Are they spots or circles ? They are both 360 degrees or 4x 90 degree quadrants or 2x 180 degree semi circles.
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on May 8, 2022 21:23:04 GMT
Then why have the quadrant ? Have a thought for the poor groundsman, the effort he must put in to manoeuvre his paint machine so we get four semi circles (quadrants) that are now redundant must really piss him off. Bring back real football, with tackles from behind, pitches in May that had more sand than grass, footballers who knew that the ball must be inside the quadrant (semi circle) Pedant alert!! A quadrant isn't a semi-circle. The only semi-circles on a football pitch are the "D"s on the edge of the penalty area (or being pedantically pedantic you could include the 2 halves of the centre-circle) As to the original point, I am sure I remember hearing a manager some years ago explain that having as many players as possible in the penalty area reduced the amount of space and therefore the opportunity for an attacker to have a clear run and a "free" header. Even the little blokes like Joe Allen can be used to get in the way of big blokes to make it just that bit more difficult to get a good run and header. I am sure TPs view was that he thought stopping the opposition scoring was more important than the possibility that we could score on the counter-attack. It would be interesting to see if there is any real data to show whether the number of defenders back does actually reduce the percentage of goals scored from corners. Sorry, but the “D”s on the edge of the penalty areas are not semi-circles, they are arcs ( a portion of a circle, not half a circle) the centre of which are the penalty spots. They are there to ensure that players are at least 10 yards away from the ball when a penalty is taken!
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Post by spitthedog on May 8, 2022 21:31:05 GMT
As bad as our set-pieces are they aren’t a patch on our throw-ins. I don’t have any stats but I’d wager that around 80% of our throw-ins end up with us turning the ball over to the opposition. I seem to remember the manager mentioning it previously and stated that we’d been working hard on them on the training ground. I’d love to know what this training involved. Ive lost most of my hair because of our throw-ins...lost for words too!
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Post by scfc75 on May 8, 2022 21:59:02 GMT
Ball doesn't have to be in the quadrant. The law states that a theoretical vertical line drawn down from the edge of the ball must be level with the white line, meaning the bottom of the ball (touching the ground) can be outside of the quadrant. Then why have the quadrant ? Have a thought for the poor groundsman, the effort he must put in to manoeuvre his paint machine so we get four semi circles (quadrants) that are now redundant must really piss him off. Bring back real football, with tackles from behind, pitches in May that had more sand than grass, footballers who knew that the ball must be inside the quadrant (semi circle) Not sure how they’re redundant. If some of the ball is over some of the line (if viewed from directly above) it’s considered within the quadrant and is perfectly within the rules. In the same way that for a goal to be given, all of the ball has to be over all of the line, otherwise the ball is still in play. I’m not sure why some fans get outraged when it looks like the ball isn’t in the quadrant, it’s no advantage having it a cm or two outside the line anyway.
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