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Post by spitthedog on Apr 25, 2022 1:12:22 GMT
Nathan Jones
It really had to be though Cooper must have been close second.
Team of the SeasonTeam: Lee Nicholls (Huddersfield Town), Joe Worrall (Nottingham Forest), Lloyd Kelly (Bournemouth), Tosin Adarabioyo (Fulham), Djed Spence (Nottingham Forest), Antonee Robinson (Fulham), Philip Billing (Bournemouth), Ryan Yates (Nottingham Forest), Harry Wilson (Fulham), Aleksandar Mitrovic (Fulham), Dominic Solanke (Bournemouth)
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Post by spitshaw on Apr 25, 2022 1:14:01 GMT
š It had to be!
I actually hope he somehow flukes them up to the Prem through the playoffs
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 25, 2022 1:28:33 GMT
Nathan Jones It really had to be though Cooper must have been close second. Team of the SeasonTeam: Lee Nicholls (Huddersfield Town), Joe Worrall (Nottingham Forest), Lloyd Kelly (Bournemouth), Tosin Adarabioyo (Fulham), Djed Spence (Nottingham Forest), Antonee Robinson (Fulham), Philip Billing (Bournemouth), Ryan Yates (Nottingham Forest), Harry Wilson (Fulham), Aleksandar Mitrovic (Fulham), Dominic Solanke (Bournemouth) Heās done a great job there. Iād never want him back though and I canāt see him ever doing it at a big club. Personally Iād like to see Nottm Forest go up.
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 25, 2022 6:32:16 GMT
The right choice and he could even have won it last year.
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Post by Simon Drainrod on Apr 25, 2022 6:51:12 GMT
Souttar would have been in that team but for ā¦..
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Post by scfc75 on Apr 25, 2022 6:59:00 GMT
Heās a nice bloke and deserves success. He and Luton obviously just āfitā. He could never get his arms around the job here and didnāt have the right attributes for the task in hand, but that never made him a bad person or a bad manager. Part of me would actually like to see them go up, itās one hell of a story.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Apr 25, 2022 7:03:50 GMT
Deserved.
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Post by Gods on Apr 25, 2022 7:22:52 GMT
Still don't quite get the 'can't do it at a big club' if people mean us by a 'big club'?
All we really know is he didn't do it in spectacular style in the first 15 games, or whatever it was, of one season here.
I mean what's the relevant difference between us and Luton apart from we get another 10k on the gate? Half his matches are away anyway.
In any case Luton will be a big club, for the time being at least, if he does take them to the promised land.
I'm not saying it didn't work out for him at Stoke, I just don't think 'bigness' had anything to do with it.
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 25, 2022 7:28:01 GMT
A sad indictment on our club. Our owners need to look long and hard at themselves.
We had this man at our club and helped him take us to the bottom of the league. Yes, there is always a certain amount of responsibility on the man in the hot seat but as we've seen many times, we seem to put way too much responsibility on our managers.
It has to change and hopefully it is in the background as we 'speak'.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 25, 2022 7:46:34 GMT
Still don't quite get the 'can't do it at a big club' if people mean us by a 'big club'? All we really know is he didn't do it in spectacular style in the first 15 games, or whatever it was, of one season here. I mean what's the relevant difference between us and Luton apart from we get another 10k on the gate? Half his matches are away anyway. In any case Luton will be a big club, for the time being at least, if he does take them to the promised land. I'm not saying it didn't work out for him at Stoke, I just don't think 'bigness' had anything to do with it. It does in terms of the personnel involved. His style is a demanding one that requires a hefty amount of buy-in from his charges. Luton's team of hungry, aspirational no-names signed up for that eagerly. Our team of established, 'name' pros on big wages emphatically didn't. It's a long way from the only reason why Jones failed here (his recruitment was horrendous, his public persona didn't help things, he completely lost the plot in his last few months in terms of tactics), but it was a factor.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 25, 2022 8:47:02 GMT
A sad indictment on our club. Our owners need to look long and hard at themselves. We had this man at our club and helped him take us to the bottom of the league. Yes, there is always a certain amount of responsibility on the man in the hot seat but as we've seen many times, we seem to put way too much responsibility on our managers. It has to change and hopefully it is in the background as we 'speak'. I think you are on the right lines here. We have been operating based on having an old school manager responsible for what goes on on the pitch and managing a good deal of the behind the scenes stuff as well. I think when Jones joined the behind the scenes issues were just too much - Luton appear to be in a stable state and Jones is able to concentrate on the playing side. O'Neill has done a tremendous job sorting out the behind the scenes problems and hasn't been given the credit due for what he's done. Too many people on here do seem to get just how deep the problems ran - it's only because of O'Neills work behind the scenes that we are now capable of mounting a realistic promotion challenge. Going forward I'd be quite happy to see us adopt a more continental structure with a Director of Football managing the behind the scenes stuff and a manager/coach dealing with what goes on on the pitch. It wouldn't surprise me if the club offered O'Neill the DoF role if they were to opt for that model.
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Post by nott1 on Apr 25, 2022 9:12:33 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 25, 2022 9:14:50 GMT
He's done a superb job at Luton, congratulations to him.
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Post by Gods on Apr 25, 2022 9:19:17 GMT
Still don't quite get the 'can't do it at a big club' if people mean us by a 'big club'? All we really know is he didn't do it in spectacular style in the first 15 games, or whatever it was, of one season here. I mean what's the relevant difference between us and Luton apart from we get another 10k on the gate? Half his matches are away anyway. In any case Luton will be a big club, for the time being at least, if he does take them to the promised land. I'm not saying it didn't work out for him at Stoke, I just don't think 'bigness' had anything to do with it. It does in terms of the personnel involved. His style is a demanding one that requires a hefty amount of buy-in from his charges. Luton's team of hungry, aspirational no-names signed up for that eagerly. Our team of established, 'name' pros on big wages emphatically didn't. It's a long way from the only reason why Jones failed here (his recruitment was horrendous, his public persona didn't help things, he completely lost the plot in his last few months in terms of tactics), but it was a factor. Okay I see what you are saying, it's about player characteristics rather than club size, although the two may be linked by budget.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 25, 2022 10:38:42 GMT
Said all along their is a very good manager in there I thin I he desperately missed Harford when he was here but hes decent bloke with a lovely family and it says more about stroke and the environment at the tome than it does about him that he failed here
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 25, 2022 10:43:37 GMT
Still don't quite get the 'can't do it at a big club' if people mean us by a 'big club'? All we really know is he didn't do it in spectacular style in the first 15 games, or whatever it was, of one season here. I mean what's the relevant difference between us and Luton apart from we get another 10k on the gate? Half his matches are away anyway. In any case Luton will be a big club, for the time being at least, if he does take them to the promised land. I'm not saying it didn't work out for him at Stoke, I just don't think 'bigness' had anything to do with it. At the time, we were a ābig clubā and the gap between us and Luton was far larger than now. We also had a lot more players with āreputationsā in the game. Jones strikes me as someone with a motivation style similar to Pulis. A real āthey are so good/everyone thinks we are lucky to be here/play like itās your last gameā style. That doesnāt really work when expectations improve or when you are coaching players who believe that they are better than that. He was atrocious for the 15 games into the season he was sacked in. He was almost equally as bad for the half a season he replaced Rowett in. Neither manager appeared to know how to build a promotion seeking side at this level and both contributed to crippling us by FFP. Because of those reasons, I donāt think he could do it at a ābig clubā. P.s. Kenilworth Road has a max capacity of 10k fans. Luton are a tiny club compared to most in the division.
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 25, 2022 10:47:10 GMT
A sad indictment on our club. Our owners need to look long and hard at themselves. We had this man at our club and helped him take us to the bottom of the league. Yes, there is always a certain amount of responsibility on the man in the hot seat but as we've seen many times, we seem to put way too much responsibility on our managers. It has to change and hopefully it is in the background as we 'speak'. Luton donāt have a sporting director either. He failed because of him. He wasnāt ready for the task and he never seemed comfortable in the role.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Apr 25, 2022 10:49:30 GMT
Lets not re-write history. The bloke was absolute garbage for us and the day his unhinged arse was sent packing, was a great day for the club.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 25, 2022 10:53:23 GMT
A sad indictment on our club. Our owners need to look long and hard at themselves. We had this man at our club and helped him take us to the bottom of the league. Yes, there is always a certain amount of responsibility on the man in the hot seat but as we've seen many times, we seem to put way too much responsibility on our managers. It has to change and hopefully it is in the background as we 'speak'. Luton donāt have a sporting director either. He failed because of him. He wasnāt ready for the task and he never seemed comfortable in the role. I think the argument is more that at a club like ours it's a huge ask of an up and coming young manager to do absolutely everything and that a sporting director might provide some of the appropriate bridges and hand-holding they need. I'd hate to think we can only appoint a certain kind of muck and bullets pragmatist because we don't have the support structures in place to give a bright young head coach like Critchley a puncher's chance without the same shit show that Jones' (who absolutely does deserve a huge portion of the blame for his failure here) reign curdled into.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 25, 2022 11:31:43 GMT
Yes well done to him.
I hope they go up. It would add much needed comedy value to the PL.
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 25, 2022 11:36:19 GMT
A sad indictment on our club. Our owners need to look long and hard at themselves. We had this man at our club and helped him take us to the bottom of the league. Yes, there is always a certain amount of responsibility on the man in the hot seat but as we've seen many times, we seem to put way too much responsibility on our managers. It has to change and hopefully it is in the background as we 'speak'. Luton donāt have a sporting director either. He failed because of him. He wasnāt ready for the task and he never seemed comfortable in the role. I never said they did. What he did have at Luton was an experienced football man in Mick Harford that was in and around him, no doubt challenging him and supporting him on a daily basis, not too dissimilar to how Rudge and Francis operated around Pulis when he was successful here. Mark Hughes warned us years ago that he'd never been at a club where he had to do so much non football work in his role before. Seems the warning wasn't heeded many years later.
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Post by Billy the kid on Apr 25, 2022 17:29:32 GMT
Nathan Jones It really had to be though Cooper must have been close second. Team of the SeasonTeam: Lee Nicholls (Huddersfield Town), Joe Worrall (Nottingham Forest), Lloyd Kelly (Bournemouth), Tosin Adarabioyo (Fulham), Djed Spence (Nottingham Forest), Antonee Robinson (Fulham), Philip Billing (Bournemouth), Ryan Yates (Nottingham Forest), Harry Wilson (Fulham), Aleksandar Mitrovic (Fulham), Dominic Solanke (Bournemouth) Heās done a great job there. Iād never want him back though and I canāt see him ever doing it at a big club. Personally Iād like to see Nottm Forest go up. As a Notts based stokie, I really hope they fall flat.
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Post by Billy the kid on Apr 25, 2022 17:33:09 GMT
Still don't quite get the 'can't do it at a big club' if people mean us by a 'big club'? All we really know is he didn't do it in spectacular style in the first 15 games, or whatever it was, of one season here. I mean what's the relevant difference between us and Luton apart from we get another 10k on the gate? Half his matches are away anyway. In any case Luton will be a big club, for the time being at least, if he does take them to the promised land. I'm not saying it didn't work out for him at Stoke, I just don't think 'bigness' had anything to do with it. It does in terms of the personnel involved. His style is a demanding one that requires a hefty amount of buy-in from his charges. Luton's team of hungry, aspirational no-names signed up for that eagerly. Our team of established, 'name' pros on big wages emphatically didn't. It's a long way from the only reason why Jones failed here (his recruitment was horrendous, his public persona didn't help things, he completely lost the plot in his last few months in terms of tactics), but it was a factor. When your seasoned pros are openly laughing behind your back at your methods it's not hard to see where it all unraveled. Personal inspirational notes above your shirt when walking in for a game etc. They all just thought he was a numpty. With kids and inexperienced hungry and out to prove a point players that shit works, but not with your big time Charlie's.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 25, 2022 17:36:34 GMT
Still don't quite get the 'can't do it at a big club' if people mean us by a 'big club'? All we really know is he didn't do it in spectacular style in the first 15 games, or whatever it was, of one season here. I mean what's the relevant difference between us and Luton apart from we get another 10k on the gate? Half his matches are away anyway. In any case Luton will be a big club, for the time being at least, if he does take them to the promised land. I'm not saying it didn't work out for him at Stoke, I just don't think 'bigness' had anything to do with it. It does in terms of the personnel involved. His style is a demanding one that requires a hefty amount of buy-in from his charges. Luton's team of hungry, aspirational no-names signed up for that eagerly. Our team of established, 'name' pros on big wages emphatically didn't. It's a long way from the only reason why Jones failed here (his recruitment was horrendous, his public persona didn't help things, he completely lost the plot in his last few months in terms of tactics), but it was a factor. He signed the āgod likeā Nick Powell so he got that right at least! Fair play to him for what heās done there though, a deserved winner
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Post by datguy on Apr 25, 2022 17:39:43 GMT
Carlos Corberan, surely?
His Huddersfield team on paper looks 18th and below worthy. They can still finish second.
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Post by datguy on Apr 25, 2022 17:42:06 GMT
Also think Bournemouth should sack Scott Parker before the Premier League season starts.
Not a chance in hell he keeps them up. His team is Fulham worthy but not performed that well. Chugging along to automatic promotion and not looking that convincing.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 25, 2022 17:46:31 GMT
The fucking stiffy this gave me at the time. How different things could have been
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 25, 2022 17:54:50 GMT
It does in terms of the personnel involved. His style is a demanding one that requires a hefty amount of buy-in from his charges. Luton's team of hungry, aspirational no-names signed up for that eagerly. Our team of established, 'name' pros on big wages emphatically didn't. It's a long way from the only reason why Jones failed here (his recruitment was horrendous, his public persona didn't help things, he completely lost the plot in his last few months in terms of tactics), but it was a factor. He signed the āgod likeā Nick Powell so he got that right at least Fair play to him for what heās done there though, a deserved winner But didnāt play himā¦
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 25, 2022 17:56:35 GMT
He signed the āgod likeā Nick Powell so he got that right at least Fair play to him for what heās done there though, a deserved winner But didnāt play himā¦ He was saving him for the promotion pushš
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Post by TinkerT on Apr 25, 2022 17:59:07 GMT
Carlos Corberan, surely? His Huddersfield team on paper looks 18th and below worthy. They can still finish second. Luton team on paper looks even worse, and ours on paper looks like one of the best.
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