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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 14, 2022 20:59:52 GMT
I noticed on the thread about players' contracts being up this summer that most of the discussion has centred on Nick Powell, with the occasional comment on Joe Allen. Barely a mention of Mario Vrancic, who's usually lumped in the 'clear them all out' bracket.
I really like him. I think Powell's injury has meant that he's been overused, but he's a classy, creative player and he'd do well if the manager persists with his newfound fondness for 4-2-3-1. I would give him another year.
Do other people not share this view?
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 14, 2022 21:02:56 GMT
I noticed on the thread about players' contracts being up this summer that most of the discussion has centred on Nick Powell, with the occasional comment on Joe Allen. Barely a mention of Mario Vrancic, who's usually lumped in the 'clear them all out' bracket. I really like him. I think Powell's injury has meant that he's been overused, but he's a classy, creative player and he'd do well if the manager persists with his newfound fondness for 4-2-3-1. I would give him another year. Do other people not share this view? He’s a decent player but in the same bracket as Powell for me inconsistent |
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Post by chuckrocky on Apr 14, 2022 21:04:48 GMT
It seems an age since he contributed anything.
He was overplayed in the first half of the season due to Powell’s injuries and he’s probably feeling the effects of that now.
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Post by stokieinlondon on Apr 14, 2022 21:07:50 GMT
I noticed on the thread about players' contracts being up this summer that most of the discussion has centred on Nick Powell, with the occasional comment on Joe Allen. Barely a mention of Mario Vrancic, who's usually lumped in the 'clear them all out' bracket. I really like him. I think Powell's injury has meant that he's been overused, but he's a classy, creative player and he'd do well if the manager persists with his newfound fondness for 4-2-3-1. I would give him another year. Do other people not share this view? I agree, he makes things happen and links up play well. If anyone doesn’t think he’s good enough for Stoke at the moment is a bit deluded |
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Post by lordb on Apr 14, 2022 21:08:13 GMT
Enjoy watching him play
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 14, 2022 21:08:19 GMT
I think he’s lovely…
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Apr 14, 2022 21:10:24 GMT
Certainly another year for me.
He’s a proper footballer and a game changer on his day.
Apart from Powell (when fit) we’ve precious other creativity in the squad.
At £11k a week, he’s hardly going to break the bank either.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 14, 2022 21:16:04 GMT
Wouldn't be totally against it, but his form's tailed off
He'll be 33 come the start of the season though and he may have been sold the move initially as an integral player and that'd be less the case next season.
Depends what wage he's looking for (if there isn't some kind of trigger for an additional year) and what else is out there for us and him.
Wouldn't think wages would be an issue, but all those internet sites speculating at wage levels haven't got a clue
Don't think he'd start all that often, but depends what he's looking for.
Powell, Baker, the Allen replacement plus Thompson (and maybe Sawyers)
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 14, 2022 21:16:08 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 14, 2022 21:19:42 GMT
Wouldn't be totally against it. He'll be 33 come the start of the season though and he may have been sold the move initially as an integral player and that'd be less the case next season. Depends what wage he's looking for (if there isn't some kind of trigger for an additional year) and what else is out there for us and him. Wouldn't think wages would be an issue, but all those internet sites speculating at wage levels haven't got a clue Don't think he'd start all that often, but depends what he's looking for. Powell, Baker, the Allen replacement plus Thompson (and maybe Sawyers) And Clucas His decision to accept the extra year with pay cut hasn't paid off Allen's decision to see out his big contract this summer has worked out better Can see Clucas going out on loan |
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 14, 2022 21:21:13 GMT
Wouldn't be totally against it. He'll be 33 come the start of the season though and he may have been sold the move initially as an integral player and that'd be less the case next season. Depends what wage he's looking for (if there isn't some kind of trigger for an additional year) and what else is out there for us and him. Wouldn't think wages would be an issue, but all those internet sites speculating at wage levels haven't got a clue Don't think he'd start all that often, but depends what he's looking for. Powell, Baker, the Allen replacement plus Thompson (and maybe Sawyers) And Clucas His decision to accept the extra year with pay cut hasn't paid off Allen's decision to see out his big contract this summer has worked out better Can see Clucas going out on loan Yeah, I don't think Clucas will be here come August, even if it has to be a loan. But on his reduced wage, entering his final year, he may be moveable? |
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Post by banksy1art on Apr 14, 2022 21:21:20 GMT
For me I just look at that game away at QPR! He’s special on his day
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 14, 2022 21:22:54 GMT
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Post by willieeetmiout on Apr 14, 2022 21:26:30 GMT
His average over the 7 seasons before us is about 14 starts a year. He was billed as a bit of a super sub.
By the end of this season he will have started probably not short of 28 games. No surprise we've not seen the best of him.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 14, 2022 21:26:45 GMT
Started very well but been struggling after his injury.
A few months ago it was a no brainer now I'm not so sure he's worth another year.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 14, 2022 21:35:27 GMT
I think he's an excellent player and would like to see him stay next year. He's not been as eye catching since his injury but still puts in a shift. I think part of the problem is that he was pigeon holed as Powell's understudy when in fact he's been more consistent than Powell all season - a few want rid because the fact is he's a threat to Powell's place in the starting eleven.
Lights blue touch and walks away...
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Post by Gods on Apr 14, 2022 21:37:20 GMT
Vrancic reminds me a little of a 2nd division Ibrahim Affelay.
A quality player at this level, as Affelay was for the level above, but sadly lacks the raw physicality required for the job.
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Post by Championship Potter on Apr 14, 2022 21:46:27 GMT
He’s a quality player - just wish he was 5 years younger. Really enjoyed watching him this season and at times he’s been top drawer. At the same time he’s clearly getting on and you can’t carry too many players physically in this league. Tough call but I’d be tempted to give him another year (although that’s probably heart over head).
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 14, 2022 21:55:29 GMT
He’s a Rolls Royce without an engine sitting in a Fiat Garage
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 14, 2022 21:55:35 GMT
Reminds me a bit of George Eastham in the early 70s.
Looks like you could blow him over but got the skills.
Needs to be surrounded by dirty ball winners!...which we are all very fond of, aren't we?
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Apr 14, 2022 22:18:07 GMT
I'd love to see Vrancic here for another season. I don't think he's fully up to speed after his injury. He can put in a great corner and cross, which could lead to a few goals for Souttar next season.
Vrancic gets his foot stuck in more than I thought he would too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2022 22:25:47 GMT
Probably not room for Clucas, Powell, Sawyers AND him. Ideally I'd have him and Powell but we rarely get ideal.
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Post by robstokie on Apr 14, 2022 22:32:19 GMT
I would have him for another year over Sawyers as back up for Powell - far more effective in the final third and not a liability behind the ball like Sawyers. Think he has been overplayed through circumstance and perhaps has been played too deep at times, but offers real quality at times, just need to manage how much we play him though!
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 14, 2022 22:49:20 GMT
For me he is showing his age.
On his day he can be very creative but those days are few. I think his positional sense is weak, or maybe opposition teams have twigged that he needs to be marked out of the game, because he does not receive the ball very often for a MF player.
But for me his big weakness is a total absence of any defensive ability, the same as Sawyers; the opposition go straight past them as though they weren't there.
There is no chance of promotion next season with players the quality, age, and inconsistency of Vrancic, the odd very good game is not good enough for promotion.
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Post by danceswithclams on Apr 14, 2022 23:16:19 GMT
Vrancic gets his foot stuck in more than I thought he would too. This. Makes me laugh when people say he's lightweight. He gets booked pretty much every game he plays for clattering someone 😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2022 23:22:08 GMT
People talk about him as if he's 40 years old.
Definitely worth another year deal.
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Post by theblackdeath on Apr 14, 2022 23:30:42 GMT
I would have him for another year over Sawyers as back up for Powell - far more effective in the final third and not a liability behind the ball like Sawyers. Think he has been overplayed through circumstance and perhaps has been played too deep at times, but offers real quality at times, just need to manage how much we play him though! I disagree I would have Sawyers younger probably cheaper and more diverse and when played in the right position is as good a playmaker as anybody in our league |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 14, 2022 23:46:16 GMT
He never really seems to be in the game much, the odd glimmer of what he could do here and there but not a lot else for me.
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 15, 2022 0:32:45 GMT
All depends on how much money he wants really. He’s old and can’t reliably be called upon to come in for Powell. He had a career that didn’t involve a lot of injuries, but he had a big one the season or so before coming to us, didn’t he? Wasn’t there a piece at the beginning of the year on something like that?
Do we have a number 10 in the U23s that could come in and fight? It so, then I’d sign Vrancic and no one else for that position. If we don’t, I’d let him go as we need a reliable number two for Powell.
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 15, 2022 5:54:13 GMT
We definitely need to sign someone as Powell-cover. Out of the two options we've already got in the building, Sawyers is a couple of years younger but WBA may re-sign him themselves, while Vrancic will soon be 33 and (I feel) has started to show signs of decline.
I think Sawyers would be the better bet as long as we're only considering him as a no.10.
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