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Post by heworksardtho on Apr 7, 2022 13:41:48 GMT
It’s not bashing the stats are thereto be seen he’s a shit manager at this level Obviously you can’t read. So I’m out You in Gala Bingo
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Post by hyaduck on Apr 7, 2022 13:44:31 GMT
If ONearly is still in charge we will be bottom six without a doubt It’s interesting how a post/thread about Burnley/Everton in the Championship has been turned into a MON bashing platform. Because he’s wank and needs to go. O’Neill OUT!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2022 13:48:27 GMT
It’s interesting how a post/thread about Burnley/Everton in the Championship has been turned into a MON bashing platform. Because he’s wank and needs to go. O’Neill OUT!!!!!!! Didn't see that coming !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2022 13:52:41 GMT
I'm expecting the same old next season.
Nothing I've seen this season has filled me with optimism about the fact that we can push on.
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Post by hyaduck on Apr 7, 2022 21:35:47 GMT
Because he’s wank and needs to go. O’Neill OUT!!!!!!! Didn't see that coming !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Open your eyes, though you’d have more powers than that!!!!!!!!
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Post by kjpt140v on Apr 7, 2022 21:47:56 GMT
Relegation candidates from the EPL Our biggest threat to progress would be Burnley Everton
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Post by potterpaul on Apr 7, 2022 22:36:51 GMT
But you haven't answered the question. What progress? Top half? Top 10? Top 8 or play-offs? If you haven't noticed we are languishing in the bottom half again. Top 10 is acceptable 8th or higher progress Genuinely think this group of players should be achieving at least 10th No arguments there but there's going to be a hell of lot more teams than 2 relegated teams chucking a spanner in the works finishing between 6th and 10th. Which the OP is eluding to.
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Post by theblackdeath on Apr 7, 2022 23:07:16 GMT
If they don't go up this year I am certain forest will be automatic spots next season without a doubt
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Post by jokker on Apr 8, 2022 4:54:42 GMT
Relegation candidates from the EPL Our biggest threat to progress would be Burnley What do you mean by progress? Top 10. Play off challenge. I like a dream and know the championship throws up surprise packages for direct promotion Stoke (2007/08), but Stoke will be some distance away but hopefully some joyous moments but their will be many low moments that's the championship. Every year there's 20 clubs with management and fans that think along the lines of this year I have a feeling it'll be our year. Then there's four clubs who are realistic enough to know that they will have to be that fourth club from bottom that escapes relegation. They can't all be right but it usually takes 45 games before they realise that. We're in an exclusive set this season, because it soon became clear that we weren't going to be among the top teams and we were never within sight of relegation spots. For at least the last five months that's been obvious and yet there's still those that chime in as if it was an absolute catastrophe that just happened... So how will we make next season different? Maybe we should start at the bottom and work our way up. Be the Luton next year, and the Barnsley the year before. After all after the summer clearout nobody is going to saddle us with how much they would like to have our squad. They won't know half the players. Promotion? Don't even mention it. Then it might happen.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Apr 8, 2022 5:43:48 GMT
Top 10 is acceptable 8th or higher progress Genuinely think this group of players should be achieving at least 10th No arguments there but there's going to be a hell of lot more teams than 2 relegated teams chucking a spanner in the works finishing between 6th and 10th. Which the OP is eluding to. Top ten is not acceptable and would only be marginally less shit than this and last season ..........playoffs is an absolute minimum to be classed as progress in my view
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Post by soulsurvivor on Apr 8, 2022 6:35:00 GMT
Would it be too far fetched that the owners have realised that unless you do a Wolves and build a team to go up and stay up then promotion is not worth it? I do not quite understand when FFP allows us to spend some of their money and build a sustainable challenge, maybe they do and maybe a decision has been made to keep a caretaker manager in place, shift the shit and rebuild with youth and good players on realistic wages. We have the funds but perhaps the time isn't right? Mid table championship is not such a bad place if you think like that until the time is right .......or you sell???
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 8, 2022 7:28:18 GMT
Would it be too far fetched that the owners have realised that unless you do a Wolves and build a team to go up and stay up then promotion is not worth it? I do not quite understand when FFP allows us to spend some of their money and build a sustainable challenge, maybe they do and maybe a decision has been made to keep a caretaker manager in place, shift the shit and rebuild with youth and good players on realistic wages. We have the funds but perhaps the time isn't right? Mid table championship is not such a bad place if you think like that until the time is right .......or you sell??? But you get an absolute shit-tonne of money for going up?
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Post by lordb on Apr 8, 2022 7:33:53 GMT
No arguments there but there's going to be a hell of lot more teams than 2 relegated teams chucking a spanner in the works finishing between 6th and 10th. Which the OP is eluding to. Top ten is not acceptable and would only be marginally less shit than this and last season ..........playoffs is an absolute minimum to be classed as progress in my view Well I don't agree If a new manager comes in and acheaives 10th I'd argue that's progress, not success, but progress all the same However just to be clear would argue 10th next season is acceptable as it's a jump from 16th but the following season you'd look for top six Going from 16th to 6th in one go whilst that does happen is unlikely If we are demanding 6th as a minimum after successive seasons of lower mid table that's seems childish to me. We need progress before we get success imho
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Post by lordb on Apr 8, 2022 7:51:11 GMT
Top ten is not acceptable and would only be marginally less shit than this and last season ..........playoffs is an absolute minimum to be classed as progress in my view Well I don't agree If a new manager comes in and acheaives 10th I'd argue that's progress, not success, but progress all the same However just to be clear would argue 10th next season is acceptable as it's a jump from 16th but the following season you'd look for top six Going from 16th to 6th in one go whilst that does happen is unlikely If we are demanding 6th as a minimum after successive seasons of lower mid table that's seems childish to me. We need progress before we get success imho Edit: Perhaps points difference is a better measure As above given where we have been for years now if a new manager comes in and gets within 6 points of play offs that's progress
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Post by jokker on Apr 8, 2022 8:03:35 GMT
Would it be too far fetched that the owners have realised that unless you do a Wolves and build a team to go up and stay up then promotion is not worth it? I do not quite understand when FFP allows us to spend some of their money and build a sustainable challenge, maybe they do and maybe a decision has been made to keep a caretaker manager in place, shift the shit and rebuild with youth and good players on realistic wages. We have the funds but perhaps the time isn't right? Mid table championship is not such a bad place if you think like that until the time is right .......or you sell??? Promotion is always worth it, because of the financial addvantages. Whether it's good for a team that does not remotely have the class to even just get by in the PL is another thing, but it would be possible to earn so much during one year that the family might even get some of their money back - which they would probably reinvest in the club's future. Plus when the team gets relegated the season after, a new set of parachute payments enter the picture. It would not guarantee a sustained effort at promotion again, Norwich-style, but it would put the club in a much better place. Whilst a repeat of recent history should be avoided at all costs, there would still be cash to buy better players and back ups, while continuing to bring younger players into the picture.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 9, 2022 16:31:06 GMT
Six years is our average stay in the second division.
However, so far, we appear to be making progress up the table one place at a time, so promotion will be achieved around 2033...!
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Post by stokeoptimist on Apr 9, 2022 19:04:55 GMT
Any constructive comment or discussion points FFS I think he’s totally right.What makes you think next season will be any different? What makes you think changing will make any difference, history? yeah right!
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 12, 2022 7:58:33 GMT
Would it be too far fetched that the owners have realised that unless you do a Wolves and build a team to go up and stay up then promotion is not worth it? I do not quite understand when FFP allows us to spend some of their money and build a sustainable challenge, maybe they do and maybe a decision has been made to keep a caretaker manager in place, shift the shit and rebuild with youth and good players on realistic wages. We have the funds but perhaps the time isn't right? Mid table championship is not such a bad place if you think like that until the time is right .......or you sell??? Promotion is always worth it, because of the financial addvantages. Whether it's good for a team that does not remotely have the class to even just get by in the PL is another thing, but it would be possible to earn so much during one year that the family might even get some of their money back - which they would probably reinvest in the club's future. Plus when the team gets relegated the season after, a new set of parachute payments enter the picture. It would not guarantee a sustained effort at promotion again, Norwich-style, but it would put the club in a much better place. Whilst a repeat of recent history should be avoided at all costs, there would still be cash to buy better players and back ups, while continuing to bring younger players into the picture. Said similar on another thread yo-yoing is nowhere near as bad as many make out. It’s good financially and every promotion season is great for fans. Let’s face it unless you can put together a team to challenge for a European place Prem football is rather soul destroying for fans of non elite clubs. Just scratching around spoiling for years on end like Burnley doesn’t appeal to me at all.
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Post by onefatcopper on Apr 12, 2022 8:07:54 GMT
Our biggest threat to progress next season will be, the World Cup.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2022 8:12:40 GMT
But you haven't answered the question. What progress? Top half? Top 10? Top 8 or play-offs? If you haven't noticed we are languishing in the bottom half again. Top 10 is acceptable 8th or higher progress Genuinely think this group of players should be achieving at least 10th We won't suffer the same injury nightmare that's for sure and should be looking top 10. Always had to judge of course. Who would have predicted Blackburn or Hudders to be challenging this year? No idea who we can pick up in the Summer also.
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Post by lordb on Apr 12, 2022 8:17:51 GMT
Our biggest threat to progress next season will be, the World Cup. Why? Given we have stalled the last two Novembers then a break at that point might be just what we need?
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Post by onefatcopper on Apr 12, 2022 9:25:21 GMT
Our biggest threat to progress next season will be, the World Cup. Why? Given we have stalled the last two Novembers then a break at that point might be just what we need? If, and it’s a big if we start the 22/23 season off to a flyer how are we supposed to maintain momentum ? The World Cup isn’t just about November because you are going to have warm up friendlies beforehand possibly September/October then dependent not just how England fare we could well have either Wales or Scotland in the mix, then we could be going into December. On returning from the cup the players are going to need a recovery break which could mean a late December return to normalcy, but that’s going to be if the winter weather is going to be kind.
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Post by xchpotter on Apr 12, 2022 9:28:40 GMT
Why? Given we have stalled the last two Novembers then a break at that point might be just what we need? If, and it’s a big if we start the 22/23 season off to a flyer how are we supposed to maintain momentum ? The World Cup isn’t just about November because you are going to have warm up friendlies beforehand possibly September/October then dependent not just how England fare we could well have either Wales or Scotland in the mix, then we could be going into December. On returning from the cup the players are going to need a recovery break which could mean a late December return to normalcy, but that’s going to be if the winter weather is going to be kind. It's hardly like we have a proven track record on building momentum. I reckon a scrappy, disjointed season would work to our advantage as it brings others down to our level.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 12, 2022 9:34:42 GMT
Our biggest threat to progress next season will be, the World Cup. Why? Given we have stalled the last two Novembers then a break at that point might be just what we need? I'll be in Spain for most of it so I'll get a nice break with world cup games on tv as a bonus. Wonder what sort of time they'll be played at?
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Post by lordb on Apr 12, 2022 9:36:46 GMT
Why? Given we have stalled the last two Novembers then a break at that point might be just what we need? If, and it’s a big if we start the 22/23 season off to a flyer how are we supposed to maintain momentum ? The World Cup isn’t just about November because you are going to have warm up friendlies beforehand possibly September/October then dependent not just how England fare we could well have either Wales or Scotland in the mix, then we could be going into December. On returning from the cup the players are going to need a recovery break which could mean a late December return to normalcy, but that’s going to be if the winter weather is going to be kind. No international break in October We will have max two players going to the World Cup in Souttar and Brown and both Australia and Scotland are not there yet Last two seasons a break was exactly what we needed
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Post by scfc75 on Apr 12, 2022 9:37:18 GMT
Why? Given we have stalled the last two Novembers then a break at that point might be just what we need? If, and it’s a big if we start the 22/23 season off to a flyer how are we supposed to maintain momentum ? The World Cup isn’t just about November because you are going to have warm up friendlies beforehand possibly September/October then dependent not just how England fare we could well have either Wales or Scotland in the mix, then we could be going into December. On returning from the cup the players are going to need a recovery break which could mean a late December return to normalcy, but that’s going to be if the winter weather is going to be kind. That’s the same problem for all 24 teams though isn’t it?
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Post by jwhpotter on Apr 12, 2022 9:38:49 GMT
Why? Given we have stalled the last two Novembers then a break at that point might be just what we need? I'll be in Spain for most of it so I'll get a nice break with world cup games on tv as a bonus. Wonder what sort of time they'll be played at? The times have all being confirmed Mon 21st Nov England Vs Iran 1pm Fri 25th Nov England Vs USA 7pm Tue 29th Nov England Vs (TBC) 7pm
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Post by lordb on Apr 12, 2022 9:39:09 GMT
If, and it’s a big if we start the 22/23 season off to a flyer how are we supposed to maintain momentum ? The World Cup isn’t just about November because you are going to have warm up friendlies beforehand possibly September/October then dependent not just how England fare we could well have either Wales or Scotland in the mix, then we could be going into December. On returning from the cup the players are going to need a recovery break which could mean a late December return to normalcy, but that’s going to be if the winter weather is going to be kind. That’s the same problem for all 24 teams though isn’t it? How many Championship sides will have players at the World Cup? Will anyone have more than two?
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Post by scfc75 on Apr 12, 2022 9:44:30 GMT
That’s the same problem for all 24 teams though isn’t it? How many Championship sides will have players at the World Cup? Will anyone have more than two? I don’t imagine there will be a lot missing from any squad. I thought the original comment was more around the stop/start season than players missing.
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Post by lordb on Apr 12, 2022 9:47:16 GMT
How many Championship sides will have players at the World Cup? Will anyone have more than two? I don’t imagine there will be a lot missing from any squad. I thought the original comment was more around the stop/start season than players missing. That's one factor, which I think could help rather than hinder Stoke. The post refers to players needing recovery time, for any players that do go that could be a huge problem In Souttar and Brown case they would be back fairly early Brown is very much a squad player for Scotland
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