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Post by scfc75 on Mar 23, 2022 11:19:03 GMT
Where’s our West Country Miss Marple to tell us we’re flouting FFP and that he’s telling on us to the EFL?
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Post by wuzza on Mar 23, 2022 11:20:21 GMT
This club has had very little luck in the past 160 years or so but the Coates family support in what will be more and more challenging financial times for football in general is certainly one case where we have fallen well and truly on our feet. It’s my bet that FFP will become less and less of an issue as the vast majority of EFL clubs will be struggling just to keep their doors open in the next few years let alone spend up to the limits the regulations impose.
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Post by BryStokeCityFC on Mar 23, 2022 11:34:00 GMT
You have to praise them financially, we have made some stupid football decisions over the years but they have supported the club financially. Lets hope we can learn from the bad decision making and be positive in the future.
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Mar 23, 2022 11:40:20 GMT
Fantastic support from the owners. There's no secret agenda here, just financially supporting their local club. And long may it continue.
What's the alternative? Some vulture capitalist like Mike Ashely looking for a profit from a later sell-on? Some oligarch or Saudi prince looking for a tax write-off? Some borderline criminal crackpot sociopath, ill-prepared for the disastrous ego trip he's embarking on?
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 23, 2022 11:51:13 GMT
You have to praise them financially, we have made some stupid football decisions over the years but they have supported the club financially. Lets hope we can learn from the bad decision making and be positive in the future. I wonder if they have 'After Action Reviews' and 'Lessons Learned' meetings...? Me thinks not but lets hope they now move forward and actually DO learn from their mistakes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2022 11:53:06 GMT
I am surprised you can just write off 160 million quid of debt under FFP
Very surprised , but the club must have spoken to the EFL before doing it ,I am sure
So very pleasantly surprised
Great news
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Post by bunnyscfc on Mar 23, 2022 11:54:03 GMT
Whilst we are all really delighted that our owners are mega rich and fans, does it not get you slightly worried that we have been in decline for six years, are closer to League 1 than the Premier League, and have had to move tons of money around to avoid FFP?
Being loaded is great for us. Don't you also need a bit more of a plan than chucking money at situations and handing said money to clowns?
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Post by wuzza on Mar 23, 2022 12:00:15 GMT
Whilst we are all really delighted that our owners are mega rich and fans, does it not get you slightly worried that we have been in decline for six years, are closer to League 1 than the Premier League, and have had to move tons of money around to avoid FFP? Being loaded is great for us. Don't you also need a bit more of a plan than chucking money at situations and handing said money to clowns? Bottom line is that anyone who has put that much money in is free to handle matters as they darn well please and as we had 10 years in the PL after decades away it reasonable to argue that they havet made some extremely good decisions in the not too distant past. It’s always going to be a roller coaster ride for a club of our stature but it’s one hell of a nice feeling that ,with backing like theirs, we aren’t ever going to come crashing to the ground Derby style !
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Post by bunnyscfc on Mar 23, 2022 12:02:54 GMT
Whilst we are all really delighted that our owners are mega rich and fans, does it not get you slightly worried that we have been in decline for six years, are closer to League 1 than the Premier League, and have had to move tons of money around to avoid FFP? Being loaded is great for us. Don't you also need a bit more of a plan than chucking money at situations and handing said money to clowns? Bottom line is that anyone who has put that much money in is free to handle matters as they darn well please and as we had 10 years in the PL after decades away it reasonable to argue that they haven’t made some extremely good decisions in the not too distant past. It’s always going to be a roller coaster ride for a club of our stature but it’s one hell of a nice feeling that ,with backing like theirs, we aren’t ever going to come crashing to the ground Derby style ! I agree Wuzza, although the lack of anything resembling a plan since 2017 worries me.
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Post by Squeekster on Mar 23, 2022 12:04:23 GMT
Fuck the fanzones. Do you really want to be stood in that area in the middle of January? Support the local pubs and use them as your fanzone. What local pubs? Plenty of local pubs, we get the train into Stoke, there's a good half a dozen pubs with in a 10 minute walking distance then the shuttle bus to the stadium.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 23, 2022 12:06:15 GMT
I am surprised you can just write off 160 million quid of debt under FFP Very surprised , but the club must have spoken to the EFL before doing it ,I am sure So very pleasantly surprised Great news Doest impact ffp at all, ffp is related to your yearly profits or losses in our case, these loans were made to cover the eye watering losses we made. Doing this or not doing this has zero impact on ffp as loans were interest free.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 23, 2022 12:06:44 GMT
Bottom line is that anyone who has put that much money in is free to handle matters as they darn well please and as we had 10 years in the PL after decades away it reasonable to argue that they haven’t made some extremely good decisions in the not too distant past. It’s always going to be a roller coaster ride for a club of our stature but it’s one hell of a nice feeling that ,with backing like theirs, we aren’t ever going to come crashing to the ground Derby style ! I agree Wuzza, although the lack of anything resembling a plan since 2017 worries me. Whose to say that there haven’t been very detailed plans .......that have gone wrong. It happens , especially in the weird old world of football.
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Post by lordb on Mar 23, 2022 12:06:50 GMT
re 'complete transformation of Delilah’s Bar into a contemporary sports bar'
this is an opportunity to provide something decent one obvious improvement would be to stop charging an entry fee
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 23, 2022 12:10:21 GMT
Whilst we are all really delighted that our owners are mega rich and fans, does it not get you slightly worried that we have been in decline for six years, are closer to League 1 than the Premier League, and have had to move tons of money around to avoid FFP? Being loaded is great for us. Don't you also need a bit more of a plan than chucking money at situations and handing said money to clowns? They'll be rich enough to build a time machine soon hopefully to go back and rectify their mistakes. But seriously we analyse things to death on here at times but we got into the Premier League under the Coates family and had 9 relatively trouble free seasons before our disaster season under Hughes/Lambert. There aren't many teams who have done that certainly of a similar size and stature to us anyway and I think we forget how difficult that is to achieve in modern football for clubs like us. The appointment of Lambert was really poor, it was on the back of them thinking they'd landed Flores though which would have been a massive blow but did suggest a plan. Once we appointed Rowett and handed him a war chest and it didn't work out the short/medium term damage was done, we had several expensive millstones around our neck that have hampered us since, from that moment it's been all about balancing the FFP books whilst trying to remain competitive on the pitch. What they need to do going forward is to use this summer as a fresh start to push the club forward. That is key, if we can achieve that we can all look forwards instead of backwards which let's be fair gets tiring as the damage is done. It's a crossroads in the next chapter of our great club that's for sure........
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Mar 23, 2022 12:13:30 GMT
Plenty of local pubs, we get the train into Stoke, there's a good half a dozen pubs with in a 10 minute walking distance then the shuttle bus to the stadium. I meant local to the stadium...but you knew that.
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Post by Squeekster on Mar 23, 2022 12:19:22 GMT
Plenty of local pubs, we get the train into Stoke, there's a good half a dozen pubs with in a 10 minute walking distance then the shuttle bus to the stadium. I meant local to the stadium...but you knew that. I genuinely didn't mate, there is only the harvester and power league and the gym if your a member but they don't rely on the match to stay above board. Quite a few pubs have gone since we moved out the town center, the White star closed only to reopen but I'd hazzard a guess they make most money on match days.
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Post by theonlooker on Mar 23, 2022 12:21:31 GMT
So we finally get a statement, and Gods is nowhere to be seen!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 23, 2022 12:22:10 GMT
Whilst we are all really delighted that our owners are mega rich and fans, does it not get you slightly worried that we have been in decline for six years, are closer to League 1 than the Premier League, and have had to move tons of money around to avoid FFP? Being loaded is great for us. Don't you also need a bit more of a plan than chucking money at situations and handing said money to clowns? They'll be rich enough to build a time machine soon hopefully to go back and rectify their mistakes. But seriously we analyse things to death on here at times but we got into the Premier League under the Coates family and had 9 relatively trouble free seasons before our disaster season under Hughes/Lambert. There aren't many teams who have done that certainly of a similar size and stature to us anyway and I think we forget how difficult that is to achieve in modern football for clubs like us. The appointment of Lambert was really poor, it was on the back of them thinking they'd landed Flores though which would have been a massive blow but did suggest a plan. Once we appointed Rowett and handed him a war chest and it didn't work out the short/medium term damage was done, we had several expensive millstones around our neck that have hampered us since, from that moment it's been all about balancing the FFP books whilst trying to remain competitive on the pitch. What they need to do going forward is to use this summer as a fresh start to push the club forward. That is key, if we can achieve that we can all look forwards instead of backwards which let's be fair gets tiring as the damage is done. It's a crossroads in the next chapter of our great club that's for sure........ The concern though is that they think they can just do what they did in 2008, and the game is moving on from that. The manager as emperor thing gives you so little leeway and means if you don't get that appointment completely spot on you get the situations we've had in the last few years. That surely can't go on and we just keep on hoping we get the next one right?
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Post by wuzza on Mar 23, 2022 12:37:01 GMT
They'll be rich enough to build a time machine soon hopefully to go back and rectify their mistakes. But seriously we analyse things to death on here at times but we got into the Premier League under the Coates family and had 9 relatively trouble free seasons before our disaster season under Hughes/Lambert. There aren't many teams who have done that certainly of a similar size and stature to us anyway and I think we forget how difficult that is to achieve in modern football for clubs like us. The appointment of Lambert was really poor, it was on the back of them thinking they'd landed Flores though which would have been a massive blow but did suggest a plan. Once we appointed Rowett and handed him a war chest and it didn't work out the short/medium term damage was done, we had several expensive millstones around our neck that have hampered us since, from that moment it's been all about balancing the FFP books whilst trying to remain competitive on the pitch. What they need to do going forward is to use this summer as a fresh start to push the club forward. That is key, if we can achieve that we can all look forwards instead of backwards which let's be fair gets tiring as the damage is done. It's a crossroads in the next chapter of our great club that's for sure........ The concern though is that they think they can just do what they did in 2008, and the game is moving on from that. The manager as emperor thing gives you so little leeway and means if you don't get that appointment completely spot on you get the situations we've had in the last few years. That surely can't go on and we just keep on hoping we get the next one right? Complete guesswork on my part but did they / do they think that MON is the man for such a backroom role in the fullness of time ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2022 12:40:49 GMT
Fuck the fanzones. Do you really want to be stood in that area in the middle of January? Support the local pubs and use them as your fanzone. What local pubs? Is that a serious question?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 23, 2022 12:43:04 GMT
They'll be rich enough to build a time machine soon hopefully to go back and rectify their mistakes. But seriously we analyse things to death on here at times but we got into the Premier League under the Coates family and had 9 relatively trouble free seasons before our disaster season under Hughes/Lambert. There aren't many teams who have done that certainly of a similar size and stature to us anyway and I think we forget how difficult that is to achieve in modern football for clubs like us. The appointment of Lambert was really poor, it was on the back of them thinking they'd landed Flores though which would have been a massive blow but did suggest a plan. Once we appointed Rowett and handed him a war chest and it didn't work out the short/medium term damage was done, we had several expensive millstones around our neck that have hampered us since, from that moment it's been all about balancing the FFP books whilst trying to remain competitive on the pitch. What they need to do going forward is to use this summer as a fresh start to push the club forward. That is key, if we can achieve that we can all look forwards instead of backwards which let's be fair gets tiring as the damage is done. It's a crossroads in the next chapter of our great club that's for sure........ The concern though is that they think they can just do what they did in 2008, and the game is moving on from that. The manager as emperor thing gives you so little leeway and means if you don't get that appointment completely spot on you get the situations we've had in the last few years. That surely can't go on and we just keep on hoping we get the next one right? I think a lot of it is dependent on how free we are to operate in the transfer market next season, it's easy to say we missed out on the likes of Wilder but he has gone to Middlesbrough knowing he will be backed to the hilt and they already had an underachieving squad and were free from the shackles of parachute payments and FFP sanctions. There is no magic bullet in our situation and they may genuinely think that MON is the man to reshape the squad for our next chapter. I think if we're going to operate under the current model then he's as good a manager as anyone to have in charge next season, that said if he was to go and be replaced with a Sporting Director and young up and coming coach I could absolutely get behind that. The recruitment team is key, post Brexit the nature of the market has changed and we should be trying to tap in to some of those opportunities. I think people (not you by the way) underestimate how difficult it is to get these decisions right, if you take the appointments of Rowett and Jones in isolation for example you wouldn't shout out "awful appointment", the Jones one in particular was an intriguing appointment on paper but a disaster in reality due to awful recruitment and Jones seemingly unable to get his players to buy in to his philosophy. Interesting times........
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Mar 23, 2022 12:45:29 GMT
I meant local to the stadium...but you knew that. I genuinely didn't mate, there is only the harvester and power league and the gym if your a member but they don't rely on the match to stay above board. Quite a few pubs have gone since we moved out the town center, the White star closed only to reopen but I'd hazzard a guess they make most money on match days. I apologise.Thought you were being sarcy.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 23, 2022 12:46:16 GMT
The concern though is that they think they can just do what they did in 2008, and the game is moving on from that. The manager as emperor thing gives you so little leeway and means if you don't get that appointment completely spot on you get the situations we've had in the last few years. That surely can't go on and we just keep on hoping we get the next one right? I think a lot of it is dependent on how free we are to operate in the transfer market next season, it's easy to say we missed out on the likes of Wilder but he has gone to Middlesbrough knowing he will be backed to the hilt and they already had an underachieving squad and were free from the shackles of parachute payments and FFP sanctions. There is no magic bullet in our situation and they may genuinely think that MON is the man to reshape the squad for our next chapter. I think if we're going to operate under the current model then he's as good a manager as anyone to have in charge next season, that said if he was to go and be replaced with a Sporting Director and young up and coming coach I could absolutely get behind that. The recruitment team is key, post Brexit the nature of the market has changed and we should be trying to tap in to some of those opportunities. I think people (not you by the way) underestimate how difficult it is to get these decisions right, if you take the appointments of Rowett and Jones in isolation for example you wouldn't shout out "awful appointment", the Jones one in particular was an intriguing appointment on paper but a disaster in reality due to awful recruitment and Jones seemingly unable to get his players to buy in to his philosophy. Interesting times........ Absolutely. My concern is that they don't currently (or at least we haven't seen any evidence of) that kind of change of model which IMO is what we should at least be looking in the direction of. Some kind of acknowledgement from the brass of the need to move with the times in that regard would be reassuring.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 23, 2022 12:47:37 GMT
The concern though is that they think they can just do what they did in 2008, and the game is moving on from that. The manager as emperor thing gives you so little leeway and means if you don't get that appointment completely spot on you get the situations we've had in the last few years. That surely can't go on and we just keep on hoping we get the next one right? Complete guesswork on my part but did they / do they think that MON is the man for such a backroom role in the fullness of time ? Possibly, is that something he'd want though? A lot of the 'move him upstairs' chatter as far as I can see is based wholly on him having that MA in sports directorship.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Mar 23, 2022 12:48:07 GMT
Is that a serious question? I meant local to the stadium that's out in the sticks.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 23, 2022 13:01:33 GMT
And that’s unlikely in reality as the losses at Stoke are a drop in the ocean for Bet365. Agree its unlikely unless they ever wanted to float but I still doubt Denise is that chuffed that £160m spent on Stoke returns £0 whereas £160m spent on bet 365 they'd expect 5%+ profit back, so I expect John and Peter dont get much at xmas and for birthdays 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by wuzza on Mar 23, 2022 13:04:53 GMT
Complete guesswork on my part but did they / do they think that MON is the man for such a backroom role in the fullness of time ? Possibly, is that something he'd want though? A lot of the 'move him upstairs' chatter as far as I can see is based wholly on him having that MA in sports directorship. Not yet - I think he still has a point to prove at the coaching level but the mere fact he has such qualifications suggests it’s something he is open to. Would probably suit him domestically too as it would be a role that doesn’t need him at the training ground 7 days a week. All hinges on next season I suppose but I think you are right it’s the management structure we should have.
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Post by mowlee on Mar 23, 2022 13:08:19 GMT
For those who think mons a certainty for next season.. read the 4th paragraph again.. the last four or five season have not proved too be successful.. certainly not a vote of confidence is it
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Mar 23, 2022 13:14:14 GMT
For those who think mons a certainty for next season.. read the 4th paragraph again.. the last four or five season have not proved too be successful.. certainly not a vote of confidence is it Well how else are they going to call it?
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Post by thevoid on Mar 23, 2022 13:15:31 GMT
I know the statement says the group continues its long term support etc... But has this move just made it a whole lot more attractive for a potential buyer? No chance mate in my opinion with statements about “5 year development plans” Fair play to the family for their fantastic continued support👏👏 Well I hope the next 'five year development plan' is better than the last one
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