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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 31, 2022 15:19:00 GMT
Towards the top of the money paid to agents list over the last 12 months. Spent on greasing the wheels to fuck people off? Yeah - you'd think so, at least partially
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Post by mowlee on Mar 31, 2022 15:20:41 GMT
Towards the top of the money paid to agents list over the last 12 months. Spent on greasing the wheels to fuck people off? also agents of baker.. jpb.. Hb.. sima.. ostigard
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2022 15:28:47 GMT
Not a clue. But it doesn't mean we shouldn't have done it does it I'm not saying we shouldn't have a different structure in place especially being bankrolled by the family , just there's no guarantees that it'll work Of course there isn't but we know the structure at the club doesn't work. So it needed/needs changing.
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Post by stokefc on Mar 31, 2022 15:42:37 GMT
Yes bayern we do bayern and more bayern but for the love of God we need the family
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2022 16:35:58 GMT
I'm not saying we shouldn't have a different structure in place especially being bankrolled by the family , just there's no guarantees that it'll work Of course there isn't but we know the structure at the club doesn't work. So it needed/needs changing. No it doesn't.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2022 17:06:58 GMT
Of course there isn't but we know the structure at the club doesn't work. So it needed/needs changing. No it doesn't. Why doesn't it?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 31, 2022 17:39:34 GMT
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Post by leicspotter on Mar 31, 2022 17:46:25 GMT
I thought Bear baiting was now illegal
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2022 17:46:26 GMT
6 years of continual decline?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 31, 2022 17:49:15 GMT
I thought Bear baiting was now illegal Busted. Am I that transparent Worked though. Caught one with a sore head.
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Post by leicspotter on Mar 31, 2022 17:50:25 GMT
I thought Bear baiting was now illegal Busted. Am I that transparent Worked though. Caught one with a sore head. To mix the metaphors, it is rather like fish in a barrel
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Post by stokefc on Mar 31, 2022 17:51:25 GMT
6 years of continual decline? What about the other 160 odd years ?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2022 17:52:49 GMT
6 years of continual decline? What about the other 160 odd years ? What about them
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 31, 2022 17:53:34 GMT
Busted. Am I that transparent Worked though. Caught one with a sore head. To mix the metaphors, it is rather like fish in a barrel Are they the ones that shit in the Vatican?
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Post by stokefc on Mar 31, 2022 17:55:26 GMT
What about the other 160 odd years ? What about them I'm just saying it's more than six years
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2022 18:16:40 GMT
Our owners have done great things, including: Free transport for away supporters. Frozen season ticket prices for 15 years. Fantastic community work. The under 7s scheme (kids going a game for free and a free shirt). Our first FA Cup final. European football. Investment in the stadium. Building Clayton Woods. Investing big money in the squad over the years (albeit poorly at times, but they've stumped up the cash). Written off the huge debt that built up. Continued to pay all staff their full wages instead of furlough during lockdown. But yeah, you keep slagging them off after a few bad years.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 31, 2022 18:29:11 GMT
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Post by lordb on Mar 31, 2022 20:11:09 GMT
I've only just watched this Given the regular criticism have seen of JC have to say thought he spoke very well
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2022 20:42:27 GMT
Our owners have done great things, including: Free transport for away supporters. Frozen season ticket prices for 15 years. Fantastic community work. The under 7s scheme (kids going a game for free and a free shirt). Our first FA Cup final. European football. Investment in the stadium. Building Clayton Woods. Investing big money in the squad over the years (albeit poorly at times, but they've stumped up the cash). Written off the huge debt that built up. Continued to pay all staff their full wages instead of furlough during lockdown. But yeah, you keep slagging them off after a few bad years. The debt thing isn’t a good thing ffs 😂
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 1, 2022 9:21:44 GMT
Our owners have done great things, including: Free transport for away supporters. Frozen season ticket prices for 15 years. Fantastic community work. The under 7s scheme (kids going a game for free and a free shirt). Our first FA Cup final. European football. Investment in the stadium. Building Clayton Woods. Investing big money in the squad over the years (albeit poorly at times, but they've stumped up the cash). Written off the huge debt that built up. Continued to pay all staff their full wages instead of furlough during lockdown. But yeah, you keep slagging them off after a few bad years. But other than the aqueducts and the roads and education and the hospitals, what have the Romans ever done for us?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2022 11:04:57 GMT
Our owners have done great things, including: Free transport for away supporters. Frozen season ticket prices for 15 years. Fantastic community work. The under 7s scheme (kids going a game for free and a free shirt). Our first FA Cup final. European football. Investment in the stadium. Building Clayton Woods. Investing big money in the squad over the years (albeit poorly at times, but they've stumped up the cash). Written off the huge debt that built up. Continued to pay all staff their full wages instead of furlough during lockdown. But yeah, you keep slagging them off after a few bad years. The debt thing isn’t a good thing ffs 😂 Just their long term commitment to wiping it off is though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 1, 2022 11:32:27 GMT
The debt thing isn’t a good thing ffs 😂 Just their long term commitment to wiping it off is though. I can't agree. It's an embarrassment if anything.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2022 11:33:14 GMT
Just their long term commitment to wiping it off is though. I can't agree. It's an embarrassment if anything. We'll agree to disagree then.
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Post by iamstokie on Apr 1, 2022 12:05:33 GMT
Just their long term commitment to wiping it off is though. I can't agree. It's an embarrassment if anything. We wouldn’t achieved any of the things listed without getting into the debt , you saying the board shouldn’t have done any of them things , was it really their fault backing managers with funds
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 1, 2022 12:18:28 GMT
I can't agree. It's an embarrassment if anything. We wouldn’t achieved any of the things listed without getting into the debt , you saying the board shouldn’t have done any of them things , was it really their fault backing managers with funds Initially yes but this 160m is from the last 5ish years isn't it? Maybe even shorter? Throwing money at problems that need hard work and thinking to solve is stupid. We didn't put a plan in place to allow those funds to work. It was never going to work. That's not very good.
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Post by onefatcopper on Apr 1, 2022 12:24:10 GMT
Bayern, you just don’t get it, there is no debt ? The club is just a plaything for Peter & Jon, just like Rod Stewart has his train set. But do you honestly believe that if you stript back the facades at clubs like Liverpool, United, City etc that they are not in debt to someone ? Just look at Barcelona, the whole of football is run on a debt with just the players, agents, unions and governing bodies raking in the money
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Post by scfc75 on Apr 1, 2022 12:35:55 GMT
Bayern, you just don’t get it, there is no debt ? The club is just a plaything for Peter & Jon, just like Rod Stewart has his train set. But do you honestly believe that if you stript back the facades at clubs like Liverpool, United, City etc that they are not in debt to someone ? Just look at Barcelona, the whole of football is run on a debt with just the players, agents, unions and governing bodies raking in the money Very true. The vast majority of clubs in this country are in debt. Brighton owe £300m to their owner. Everton over £400m. Leicester £200m, Wolves £150m, I could go on…. Getting relegated absolutely fucks anybody with any level of debt (most clubs).
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 1, 2022 12:50:15 GMT
We wouldn’t achieved any of the things listed without getting into the debt , you saying the board shouldn’t have done any of them things , was it really their fnoault backing managers with funds Initially yes but this 160m is from the last 5ish years isn't it? Maybe even shorter? Throwing money at problems that need hard work and thinking to solve is stupid. We didn't put a plan in place to allow those funds to work. It was never going to work. That's not very good. No the debt is historic and goes back to before we got to the Premier. League. We never paid it back and we never even managed to break even while we were in the Premier League I don't think so every year Stoke's debt to the Coates family increased. It is almost impossible to make a profit out of a football club. I believe but might be wrong that even the likes of Man City and Chelsea have huge debts which if their owners pulled the plug would leave them in huge debt which they couldn't pay off. There were doubts the other week that unless they found a new owner soon Chelsea would not be able to pay their wages.
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Post by scfc75 on Apr 1, 2022 12:53:34 GMT
Initially yes but this 160m is from the last 5ish years isn't it? Maybe even shorter? Throwing money at problems that need hard work and thinking to solve is stupid. We didn't put a plan in place to allow those funds to work. It was never going to work. That's not very good. No the debt is historic and goes back to before we got to the Premier. League. We never paid it back and we never even managed to break even while we were in the Premier League I don't think so every year Stoke's debt to the Coates family increased. It is almost impossible to make a profit out of a football club. I believe but might be wrong that even the likes of Man City and Chelsea have huge debts which if their owners pulled the plug would leave them in huge debt which they couldn't pay off. There were doubts the other week that unless they found a new owner soon Chelsea would not be able to pay their wages. Chelsea’s debt at last count was well over £1bn. I think Man City is about £500m?
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 1, 2022 13:18:24 GMT
Initially yes but this 160m is from the last 5ish years isn't it? Maybe even shorter? Throwing money at problems that need hard work and thinking to solve is stupid. We didn't put a plan in place to allow those funds to work. It was never going to work. That's not very good. No the debt is historic and goes back to before we got to the Premier. League. We never paid it back and we never even managed to break even while we were in the Premier League I don't think so every year Stoke's debt to the Coates family increased. It is almost impossible to make a profit out of a football club. I believe but might be wrong that even the likes of Man City and Chelsea have huge debts which if their owners pulled the plug would leave them in huge debt which they couldn't pay off. There were doubts the other week that unless they found a new owner soon Chelsea would not be able to pay their wages. The thing that matters is whether you have someone willing, or with the capacity to pay it off.
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