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Post by stokiedan17 on Mar 19, 2022 21:12:52 GMT
He was as biased as you can get. Tried his hardest to give Millwall a goal and I’m surprised we didn’t have a player sent off by him.
Also after Watching the highlights I can’t understand why they got a penalty. … no one makes contact with the player and he just drops like a sack of potatoes.
On the other hand felt Di margio should have had one in the first half when he was clearly dragged back.
His decision making was just awful
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2022 21:15:36 GMT
Is there a video of the Brown tackle anywhere?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 19, 2022 21:17:42 GMT
He tried his best to get Millwall back into the game for sure
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 19, 2022 21:18:12 GMT
Different bloke, same shit. I don’t know why we’re surprised or outraged any more. The ref’s at this level are terrible.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 19, 2022 21:20:07 GMT
He was as biased as you can get. Tried his hardest to give Millwall a goal and I’m surprised we didn’t have a player sent off by him. Also after Watching the highlights I can’t understand why they got a penalty. … no one makes contact with the player and he just drops like a sack of potatoes. On the other hand felt Di margio should have had one in the first half when he was clearly dragged back. His decision making was just awful The DWP one looked like a pen to me |
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Post by lordb on Mar 19, 2022 21:48:03 GMT
Didn't think any of our bookings were warranted either
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 19, 2022 21:52:23 GMT
Is there a video of the Brown tackle anywhere? I only saw it in real time but it looked a perfectly good challenge. The games gone to shit if that's a yellow card. Cue a vid that shows it was actually a red card.  |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 19, 2022 21:54:31 GMT
There was a 20-25 minute period in the second half where he totally lost his shit and gave them everything.
It was as poor a refereeing display as we've seen and we've seen some shit this season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2022 21:59:34 GMT
Is there a video of the Brown tackle anywhere? I only saw it in real time but it looked a perfectly good challenge. The games gone to shit if that's a yellow card. Cue a vid that shows it was actually a red card. I immediately said “bad tackle” but my eyes are shit 😂 What I saw was that he definitely won the ball but he took off and went in on him after with studs but I absolutely don’t trust that as what happened 😂😂 |
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Post by walrus on Mar 19, 2022 22:00:15 GMT
Didn't think any of our bookings were warranted either Tymon’s was indefensible. Stupid, unnecessary booking. I thought he had a really good game otherwise too. |
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Post by sportsman on Mar 20, 2022 6:49:54 GMT
I don't know how many times I have to say it. Until MON comes out after a game and makes a public complaint in the media for the blatant bias against us it will not change. He's got to put the pressure back on to the refs so they know any further bias against us will be pulled up every time.
Its no good just shrugging your shoulders and saying oh well.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 20, 2022 7:15:54 GMT
I don't know how many times I have to say it. Until MON comes out after a game and makes a public complaint in the media for the blatant bias against us it will not change. He's got to put the pressure back on to the refs so they know any further bias against us will be pulled up every time. Its no good just shrugging your shoulders and saying oh well. To be fair he did agree with Ange’s comments in the RS interview that in so many words proclaimed the ref was an idiot. I’m not so sure the public condemnation approach works for a manager unless you are a Fergie, a Pep, a Klopp etc - ie someone the refs are scared of because of your media profile. If you are just a Joe Average Manager it probably just sets them against you even more. |
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Post by Block 26 on Mar 20, 2022 7:16:35 GMT
I don't know how many times I have to say it. Until MON comes out after a game and makes a public complaint in the media for the blatant bias against us it will not change. He's got to put the pressure back on to the refs so they know any further bias against us will be pulled up every time. Its no good just shrugging your shoulders and saying oh well. He will get fined. You can’t speak out about these shite refs, We just have to put up with it week after week. I said at half time that at least we’ve got an half decent ref today… 2nd half that went straight down the pan! |
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Post by westlandstokie on Mar 20, 2022 7:31:49 GMT
I don't know how many times I have to say it. Until MON comes out after a game and makes a public complaint in the media for the blatant bias against us it will not change. He's got to put the pressure back on to the refs so they know any further bias against us will be pulled up every time. Its no good just shrugging your shoulders and saying oh well. He will get fined. You can’t speak out about these shite refs, We just have to put up with it week after week. I said at half time that at least we’ve got an half decent ref today… 2nd half that went straight down the pan! People around me at HT commented that the Ref had reffed a good first half…and I agree. However…his second half performance was poor at best…he seemed hell bent on getting Millwall back into the game. |
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Post by a on Mar 20, 2022 11:16:45 GMT
He will get fined. You can’t speak out about these shite refs, We just have to put up with it week after week. I said at half time that at least we’ve got an half decent ref today… 2nd half that went straight down the pan! People around me at HT commented that the Ref had reffed a good first half…and I agree. However…his second half performance was poor at best…he seemed hell bent on getting Millwall back into the game. I’m wonder if he had given something first half and regretted it, so tried to balance the books in the second? I bet it happens in some games. |
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Post by Old School Stokie on Mar 20, 2022 11:35:36 GMT
Refs are only human and unfortunately not many people in the whole country have any respect for Stoke-on-Trent historically we are deemed lower than low. Pulisball only fed that in the football world - so its just something we are going to have to put up with - the writing was on the wall when we played Huddersfield off the park, should have had their player sent off after a horror tackle that was not even given as a foul - then brown taken out same - he then scores - Campbell stone wall penalty not given - the refs dont like us winning
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Post by onionman on Mar 20, 2022 11:40:17 GMT
I don't know how many times I have to say it. Until MON comes out after a game and makes a public complaint in the media for the blatant bias against us it will not change. He's got to put the pressure back on to the refs so they know any further bias against us will be pulled up every time. Its no good just shrugging your shoulders and saying oh well. To be fair he did agree with Ange’s comments in the RS interview that in so many words proclaimed the ref was an idiot. I’m not so sure the public condemnation approach works for a manager unless you are a Fergie, a Pep, a Klopp etc - ie someone the refs are scared of because of your media profile. If you are just a Joe Average Manager it probably just sets them against you even more. In one of my darkest moments, I read David Elleray’s autobiography, and he admitted taking great joy in giving decisions against Gordon Strachan’s teams and cheering when they lost. I think you probably have to take the Steve Cooper approach, and just be their best friend. Get yourself a dad who is a former ref and invites them to dinner parties, so that they feel like they owe you a favour every time your full back throws himself to the floor when he’s in acres of space in the penalty area. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 20, 2022 12:08:49 GMT
He was as biased as you can get. Tried his hardest to give Millwall a goal and I’m surprised we didn’t have a player sent off by him. Also after Watching the highlights I can’t understand why they got a penalty. … no one makes contact with the player and he just drops like a sack of potatoes. On the other hand felt Di margio should have had one in the first half when he was clearly dragged back. His decision making was just awful It was a very harsh penalty and I haven't seen a video of the one on DWP. However I do have some sympathy for the foot up rule. If you wait for contact it could be too late and a serious injury so I can understand punishing them even if there is no contact as you have to discourage players from making those sort of challenges. What I can't understand is why overhead bicycle kicks are allowed in crowded penalty areas where a player has no idea who's just behind him. |
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Post by sportsman on Mar 20, 2022 12:25:56 GMT
He was as biased as you can get. Tried his hardest to give Millwall a goal and I’m surprised we didn’t have a player sent off by him. Also after Watching the highlights I can’t understand why they got a penalty. … no one makes contact with the player and he just drops like a sack of potatoes. On the other hand felt Di margio should have had one in the first half when he was clearly dragged back. His decision making was just awful It was a very harsh penalty and I haven't seen a video of the one on DWP. However I do have some sympathy for the foot up rule. If you wait for contact it could be too late and a serious injury so I can understand punishing them even if there is no contact as you have to discourage players from making those sort of challenges. What I can't understand is why overhead bicycle kicks are allowed in crowded penalty areas where a player has no idea who's just behind him. I like jagielka's response. O'Neill said: "I haven't seen it back. It looked a little bit soft but the boot was maybe a bit high. Jags gave me a hug in there afterwards because he thought he'd given me unnecessary stress that I didn't need! |
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Post by lordb on Mar 20, 2022 12:28:55 GMT
Didn't think any of our bookings were warranted either Tymon’s was indefensible. Stupid, unnecessary booking. I thought he had a really good game otherwise too. I thought it was entertaining |
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Post by bunnyscfc on Mar 20, 2022 12:42:25 GMT
Tin hat on....
I used to train young refs as part of my PE role, and to be honest, I think refereeing isn't as hard as many make out or think. Far harder to run the line. It's all about getting big decisions right, being assertive, and keeping players safe. Being assertive and giving clear, quick decisions is key - dither, and you get hammered by players and spectators alike and/or the players themselves reffing it!
We went to Sunderland yesterday with my lad's academy team and played in a competition against the home club, Newcastle, and Boro. So, you can imagine how feisty some of those games would be. I know this sounds awful, but as soon as the officials rocked up I knew it would be a farce - a statement agreed upon around three hours later by every parent I spoke to. They literally were young lads, who had obviously never really played the game before, and I'll be very honest didn't move off the spot all day and could hardly blow a whistle. They struggled to even blow the whistle. After the first ten minutes I think most parents simply accepted what was in front of us and actually had a laugh about it. At some places, that wouldn't be the case.....indeed, one team's coaches were quite vocal about them to the Premier league officials, and I didn't blame them. I think safety was a concern, personally.
I'm all for training up kids and giving them opportunities etc, but these were so far off any opportunities of reffing standard of football that it was untrue. Honestly, they weren't capable of doing an under 6 game as they were virtually incapable of making any decisions at all, never mind a Newcastle v Sunderland derby! If you watch grass roots kids football, then imagine the worst officials you've ever seen, then times that by a million, and put them in front of around 80 what are seen as 'elite' players, some over 6 foot tall and flying into challenges. I winced so many times it was untru.
In fairness, we have a great set of lads at Stoke and are probably too nice - we accepted decisions and got on with it. We got the bonus of a penalty award that was baffling, and other stuff too. But players soon got wise - as soon as we went behind in one game, we then saw the opposition literally wrestling players to the floor if they were dribbled around, kids booting the ball miles away, standing on the ball for free kicks for 30 seconds and not even being told to move away etc.....an utter farce.
The best team won the tournament, but I left thanking my lucky stars noone was seriously injured as tackles were flying in unpunished, and the games were literally do as you please. A lot of money goes into academy football, and yesterday I reckon thousands was spent on parent's petrol for a start (full tank of £85 for me), and yet it was a total waste of time. The standard of reffing I watch at EVERY level has gone downhill massively, and I hate to moan about those who give their time up reffing kid's games - but when safety is compromised then I start to worry
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Post by Robo10 on Mar 20, 2022 13:03:54 GMT
I run the line every week at my lads Sunday football, you have to have eyes up your backside to watch all the action both down the line and across for offsides, rarely get any mither though as I honestly just try my best to be fair to both teams, and on the main we are there to support young refs trying their best too
I'm a qualified ref also, sometimes I step in if we have a no show, you are right Bunny in that its easier than lino!
Newer refs are hesitant to make big decisions, and yes it can cause problems if little issues arent punished earlier in the match
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Post by bunnyscfc on Mar 20, 2022 13:11:49 GMT
Mate, these weren't just new or hesitant - they stayed still all afternoon and didn't even blow the whistle. They weren't even kids who had played the game before.
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Post by stokiedan17 on Mar 20, 2022 13:20:19 GMT
It was a very harsh penalty and I haven't seen a video of the one on DWP. However I do have some sympathy for the foot up rule. If you wait for contact it could be too late and a serious injury so I can understand punishing them even if there is no contact as you have to discourage players from making those sort of challenges. What I can't understand is why overhead bicycle kicks are allowed in crowded penalty areas where a player has no idea who's just behind him. I like jagielka's response. O'Neill said: "I haven't seen it back. It looked a little bit soft but the boot was maybe a bit high. Jags gave me a hug in there afterwards because he thought he'd given me unnecessary stress that I didn't need! Sounds like he’s a popular manager with the group |
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Post by Glory Hunter on Mar 20, 2022 22:47:56 GMT
Agree the ref was poor and got progressively poorer, but compared to the ref at both Huddersfield and Bournemouth, he was a good ref. The ones I mentioned deserve the “corrupt” label and he just deserves the label of “usual crap ref we get most weeks”.
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