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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 3, 2022 19:10:33 GMT
Out of our 15 defeats in league and cup this season 14 of them have been by the odd goal with only Fulham convincingly beating us 3-0.I accept no matter what the score is they’re all defeats but surely it shows how close we are to becoming a play off/promotion pushing team in the near future?
Is it a mentality thing,a tactical thing or just the fact we’re having no luck with decisions etc?Thoughts?
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Post by leicspotter on Mar 3, 2022 19:14:42 GMT
For me it comes down to a team that makes too many mistakes, giving away 'easy' goals.
It does tend toward the theory that MON is too cautious, allowing teams to come at us, thus exposing us to the risk of mistakes. It's not as though we are 'rapid' on the break.
We now have the talent to take the game to the opposition and, maybe, by doing so we can score more goals and avoid the pressure which has led to so many being conceded.
I would certainly like to see us play more in the style that was shown against Palace for the remainder of this season
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Post by chad on Mar 3, 2022 19:16:22 GMT
It’s a conceding one more than the opposition thing 😊
Seriously I suppose it shows we are always in there with a chance and shouldn’t take to much to turn around
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Post by theonlooker on Mar 3, 2022 19:16:52 GMT
It's a bit of everything if we're honest. A lack of mentality, a bit of inexperience, probably a bit short on peak fitness, bad luck with injuries and of course, the manager and his staff need to take their fair share.
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Post by wakeypotter on Mar 3, 2022 19:20:03 GMT
Out of our 15 defeats in league and cup this season 14 of them have been by the odd goal with only Fulham convincingly beating us 3-0.I accept no matter what the score is they’re all defeats but surely it shows how close we are to becoming a play off/promotion pushing team in the near future? Is it a mentality thing,a tactical thing or just the fact we’re having no luck with decisions etc?Thoughts? The performances say different though. When I look at most of the performances that makes me think we are 15th for a reason |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 3, 2022 19:28:22 GMT
Out of our 15 defeats in league and cup this season 14 of them have been by the odd goal with only Fulham convincingly beating us 3-0.I accept no matter what the score is they’re all defeats but surely it shows how close we are to becoming a play off/promotion pushing team in the near future? Is it a mentality thing,a tactical thing or just the fact we’re having no luck with decisions etc?Thoughts? The performances say different though. When I look at most of the performances that makes me think we are 15th for a reason Since the window shut I’d say the only 2 performances that have been poor have been Coventry and Luton but sometimes we’ve got to try and win ugly in this league like other sides are doing |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 3, 2022 19:35:26 GMT
Out of our 15 defeats in league and cup this season 14 of them have been by the odd goal with only Fulham convincingly beating us 3-0.I accept no matter what the score is they’re all defeats but surely it shows how close we are to becoming a play off/promotion pushing team in the near future? Is it a mentality thing,a tactical thing or just the fact we’re having no luck with decisions etc?Thoughts? I think it's a bit of all those things and more e.g. losing players that make a difference like Souttar, Powell and Campbell. |
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Post by wuzza on Mar 3, 2022 19:40:14 GMT
On the other side of the coin we rarely rip teams apart either.
In both cases I would say it’s a mentality issue - no killer instinct.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 3, 2022 19:52:57 GMT
Out of our 15 defeats in league and cup this season 14 of them have been by the odd goal with only Fulham convincingly beating us 3-0.I accept no matter what the score is they’re all defeats but surely it shows how close we are to becoming a play off/promotion pushing team in the near future? Is it a mentality thing,a tactical thing or just the fact we’re having no luck with decisions etc?Thoughts? I think it's a bit of all those things and more e.g. losing players that make a difference like Souttar, Powell and Campbell. Yes I think the one biggest thing is the loss of Souttar because of how comfortable he is/was in the system |
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Post by lancashirelad on Mar 3, 2022 21:53:58 GMT
Out of our 15 defeats in league and cup this season 14 of them have been by the odd goal with only Fulham convincingly beating us 3-0.I accept no matter what the score is they’re all defeats but surely it shows how close we are to becoming a play off/promotion pushing team in the near future? Is it a mentality thing,a tactical thing or just the fact we’re having no luck with decisions etc?Thoughts? Stoke have to play well to win and at home bar the Pboro game (we played poorly) we have won games comfortably no ugly wins. Away i have not seen all the games but can only think of the Bpool and Luton games we have won and had to battle a bit the others were more comfortable but we do not seem capable of winning when not at a decent performance level. I see opposition teams come to Stoke and who are comfortable in their system and work hard do not need a worldie to win it but benefit from poor goalkeeping or stray pass, this happens more often than Stoke take advantage of similar situations. I thought with the squad we had early season a top 10 finish should be achievable and also since Jan window closed even with injuries and could still happen. What i do not see is a team that can win ugly thus gain them extra points to make a real promotion challenge. We look either a good or poor team in a game there is no in between. |
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Post by kustokie on Mar 3, 2022 22:01:09 GMT
The margin between success and failure in this division is very narrow indeed. If we had won five of those and drawn four instead of eight we’d be top second. Frustrating init. If my auntie had….etc.
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Post by wakeypotter on Mar 3, 2022 22:03:30 GMT
The performances say different though. When I look at most of the performances that makes me think we are 15th for a reason Since the window shut I’d say the only 2 performances that have been poor have been Coventry and Luton but sometimes we’ve got to try and win ugly in this league like other sides are doing That’s the problem we have been too inconsistent. I would love to win ugly but don’t think we have a fight in the team. For me we seem to produce good performances when we are playing top team but our downfall is losing games we should be winning and that is down to a number of reasons |
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Post by kustokie on Mar 3, 2022 22:08:04 GMT
Since the window shut I’d say the only 2 performances that have been poor have been Coventry and Luton but sometimes we’ve got to try and win ugly in this league like other sides are doing That’s the problem we have been too inconsistent. I would love to win ugly but don’t think we have a fight in the team. For me we seem to produce good performances when we are playing top team but our downfall is losing games we should be winning and that is down to a number of reasons This. Plus the points we have thrown away by drawing when we were ahead (especially when we were against 10 men and no goalkeeper) |
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 4, 2022 7:19:33 GMT
Out of our 15 defeats in league and cup this season 14 of them have been by the odd goal with only Fulham convincingly beating us 3-0.I accept no matter what the score is they’re all defeats but surely it shows how close we are to becoming a play off/promotion pushing team in the near future? Is it a mentality thing,a tactical thing or just the fact we’re having no luck with decisions etc?Thoughts? The performances say different though. When I look at most of the performances that makes me think we are 15th for a reason Our home form and performances are dreadful and our away form/performances have been a lot better than they have been for years.Its perplexing but needs sorting,if we are aspiring to be anything other than a mid table team. |
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 4, 2022 22:08:54 GMT
The margin between success and failure in this division is very narrow indeed. If we had won five of those and drawn four instead of eight we’d be top second. Frustrating init. If my auntie had….etc. And my own favorite ...."If we had a ref with one red eye who was squint and half deaf while being intoxicated, we would have had 18 penalties and they would have had 9 players sent off." |
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Post by greenhoff on Mar 5, 2022 9:50:55 GMT
At this stage of the season the table doesn't lie. We are where we deserve to be.
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Post by march4 on Mar 5, 2022 10:00:23 GMT
Under Jones, we often lost by the odd goal and conceded two goals per match. There were some bigger reverses but not too many.
We don’t seem to have moved forwards too much except O’Neill’s team pick up enough points in the first few months to keep us out of danger.
I also think this squad is much stronger than the one Jones had.
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Post by skemstokie on Mar 5, 2022 10:21:08 GMT
Out of our 15 defeats in league and cup this season 14 of them have been by the odd goal with only Fulham convincingly beating us 3-0.I accept no matter what the score is they’re all defeats but surely it shows how close we are to becoming a play off/promotion pushing team in the near future? Is it a mentality thing,a tactical thing or just the fact we’re having no luck with decisions etc?Thoughts? In my opinion if it was not for bad luck we would have had no luck at all this season. |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 5, 2022 10:27:53 GMT
Under Jones, we often lost by the odd goal and conceded two goals per match. There were some bigger reverses but not too many. We don’t seem to have moved forwards too much except O’Neill’s team pick up enough points in the first few months to keep us out of danger. I also think this squad is much stronger than the one Jones had. It is arguably stronger when everyone is available, but even that is largely thanks to O'Neill - bringing through the likes of Souttar, Campbell (who he convinced to stay) etc. I've been frustrated at times this season with some of O'Neill's decisions but can't think of many managers I'd rather be in charge. Certainly none of the names mentioned on this board or who we're usually linked with. Next season is the big one if we don't go onto a magical run to reach the playoffs this. If the bulk of our first team largely stays fit next season, with a couple of loan signings that hit the ground running, we should be challenging for automatic promotion. |
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Post by thestatusquo on Mar 5, 2022 12:14:17 GMT
Under Jones, we often lost by the odd goal and conceded two goals per match. There were some bigger reverses but not too many. We don’t seem to have moved forwards too much except O’Neill’s team pick up enough points in the first few months to keep us out of danger. I also think this squad is much stronger than the one Jones had. It is arguably stronger when everyone is available, but even that is largely thanks to O'Neill - bringing through the likes of Souttar, Campbell (who he convinced to stay) etc. I've been frustrated at times this season with some of O'Neill's decisions but can't think of many managers I'd rather be in charge. Certainly none of the names mentioned on this board or who we're usually linked with. Next season is the big one if we don't go onto a magical run to reach the playoffs this. If the bulk of our first team largely stays fit next season, with a couple of loan signings that hit the ground running, we should be challenging for automatic promotion. It’s a rebuilding job again next season. The loans will probably go back and there’s quite a few players whose contracts expire at the end of the season |
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Post by milky on Mar 5, 2022 13:03:10 GMT
I think it's pretty much a bit of what everyone says , one big problem I think is we consistently make poor decisions/mistakes in or around both penalty boxes.
We are one of the best teams in the division playing between the 2 boxes,must me one of the worst in them.
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Post by greenhoff on Mar 5, 2022 13:29:46 GMT
I think it's pretty much a bit of what everyone says , one big problem I think is we consistently make poor decisions/mistakes in or around both penalty boxes. We are one of the best teams in the division playing between the 2 boxes,must me one of the worst in them. This...! For me the football is miles too safe. Its tippy tippy nonsense. Just watch how often the full backs pass backwards. The play is miles too slow. Throw ins from the opposition half as far forward as the penalty area often end up back with our keepers. We've got to play more on the front foot with far more drive and urgency. It stems from the coaches and management. |
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Post by kustokie on Mar 5, 2022 13:33:20 GMT
Under Jones, we often lost by the odd goal and conceded two goals per match. There were some bigger reverses but not too many. We don’t seem to have moved forwards too much except O’Neill’s team pick up enough points in the first few months to keep us out of danger. I also think this squad is much stronger than the one Jones had. Without O’Neil we’d struggling be in League One like Sunderland. |
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Post by milky on Mar 5, 2022 13:34:30 GMT
I think it's pretty much a bit of what everyone says , one big problem I think is we consistently make poor decisions/mistakes in or around both penalty boxes. We are one of the best teams in the division playing between the 2 boxes,must me one of the worst in them. This...! For me the football is miles too safe. Its tippy tippy nonsense. Just watch how often the full backs pass backwards. The play is miles too slow. Throw ins from the opposition half as far forward as the penalty area often end up back with our keepers. We've got to play more on the front foot with far more drive and urgency. It stems from the coaches and management. I think it was first half v Luton we had a throw near their penalty area and within 15 seconds the ball is back with Bursik without a Luton player touching it. Not an isolated instance either. |
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Post by loveducknoatcakes on Mar 5, 2022 17:06:38 GMT
Add Blackpool to the list!!
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Post by potterfox1011 on Mar 5, 2022 17:17:35 GMT
Under Jones, we often lost by the odd goal and conceded two goals per match. There were some bigger reverses but not too many. We don’t seem to have moved forwards too much except O’Neill’s team pick up enough points in the first few months to keep us out of danger. I also think this squad is much stronger than the one Jones had. Without O’Neil we’d struggling be in League One like Sunderland. and the evidence for that is what.funny how other teams have managed to change managers mid season and none will be playing div 1 football next year |
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Post by masne on Mar 5, 2022 21:10:28 GMT
Out of our 15 defeats in league and cup this season 14 of them have been by the odd goal with only Fulham convincingly beating us 3-0.I accept no matter what the score is they’re all defeats but surely it shows how close we are to becoming a play off/promotion pushing team in the near future? Is it a mentality thing,a tactical thing or just the fact we’re having no luck with decisions etc?Thoughts? Nope. Results don't lie. You are deluded. No one is this unlucky. I think its time for a change. M |
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Post by masne on Mar 5, 2022 21:11:37 GMT
Under Jones, we often lost by the odd goal and conceded two goals per match. There were some bigger reverses but not too many. We don’t seem to have moved forwards too much except O’Neill’s team pick up enough points in the first few months to keep us out of danger. I also think this squad is much stronger than the one Jones had. Without O’Neil we’d struggling be in League One like Sunderland. Bullshit. Look at the likes of Huddersfield. Changed their manager, currently looking like going up. M |
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