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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Jun 18, 2008 8:27:09 GMT
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Post by MrBigJobby on Jun 18, 2008 8:32:05 GMT
very fucking sad i say - fucking government!
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Post by Baggs on Jun 18, 2008 9:08:29 GMT
appalling treatment of our troops both in Afghan and Iraq - chinooks desperately needed but 7 sitting in a warehouse because of buraeucracy and 1 for Prince William to go and visit his missus.
On the bright side if u get your legs or arms blown off then you get non-priority treatment in Selly Oak hospital with all the yam yams. Heartbreaking.
All the ppl I know out there say if they had the equipment and enough troops they could sort it. Even though some of them haven't been paid for 9 weeks. Disgusting.
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Post by MrBigJobby on Jun 18, 2008 9:13:49 GMT
How the Fuck can they not be paid?
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Post by bossthemidfield on Jun 18, 2008 9:15:42 GMT
Either we do the job properly or not at all, and at the moment I think we should pull out and let the yanks get on with it.
senseless waste of life.
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Post by Paddypotter on Jun 18, 2008 10:01:44 GMT
As always, our lads fighting bravely with poor equipment, poor support from our leaders that have sent them there. Somethings never change, West Germany winter 69,70 and 71 freezing bloody cold and we get issued Jungle greens, including tropical underwear.
How do you spend a decade reducing Military spending then enter into such theartes of war? Use the working class as cannon fodder.
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Post by beagriestache on Jun 18, 2008 10:04:44 GMT
So don't join the Army!
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Post by shiny nosehair on Jun 18, 2008 10:07:07 GMT
Jobby , the pay issue is army wide at the moment, it's due to a transfer of military info onto a new administration system called JPA
Bossthemid, I can assure you the yank figures for loss of life are a lot more frightening than ours, and i'm talking tens of thousands - just had a quick look for figures all i can find is as of may 2006 they had lost just short of 18,000 in Iraq and Afghan
Baggz, i came back in April, and I'm pretty sure that short of sending our complete and the yanks complete Army across this will never end. It's OK saying more troops and equipment but the odd couple of extra thousand will barely make a dent I'm sure.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Jun 18, 2008 10:10:58 GMT
Jobby , the pay issue is army wide at the moment, it's due to a transfer of military info onto a new administration system called JPA. And to further Shiny's point.. no one is not being paid. There are issues with extra operational and other types of allowances, however people are still recieving their salary pay as normal. edit - unless they are on the wrong pay band, but they are still getting paid!!!! |
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Post by salopstick on Jun 18, 2008 10:27:59 GMT
Jobby , the pay issue is army wide at the moment, it's due to a transfer of military info onto a new administration system called JPA. And to further Shiny's point.. no one is not being paid. There are issues with extra operational and other types of allowances, however people are still recieving their salary pay as normal. edit - unless they are on the wrong pay band, but they are still getting paid!!!! dont you just love jpa |
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Jun 18, 2008 10:33:45 GMT
And to further Shiny's point.. no one is not being paid. There are issues with extra operational and other types of allowances, however people are still recieving their salary pay as normal. edit - unless they are on the wrong pay band, but they are still getting paid!!!! dont you just love jpa it is the bane of my life unfortunately  |
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Post by serpico on Jun 18, 2008 10:42:58 GMT
We might have done a better job in Afghanistan if we hadn't been lied into the Iraq war which has served as a huge distraction from the supposed "war on terror", i say might have because i don't think Afghanistan was ever a winnable situation, Iraq was a war of choice by our rulers, not a war of necessity, saddam hussain never attacked us, never threatened to attack us and was not threat to us what so ever, and he had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks.
At least on one level the Afghan war made some sense because that was where Bin Laden was, although i don't see why the people of Afghanistan had to suffer more just because Bin laden (a Saudi) happened to be in that country, we should have just gone after him and his group, caught him, slit his throat and then gotten out, you cannot occupy Afghanistan, many have tried in the past, including us, and have been violently expelled each and every time.
The only reason we remain there is because our government is to cowardly to admit it was a mistake to occupy it, and i guess the military contractors make a few quid out of it too, it would be interesting to see how many of our politicians have links to military contractors, many of them get plum jobs on the boards of these companies when they retire or get thrown out of office.
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Post by shiny nosehair on Jun 18, 2008 10:43:49 GMT
Ah GS how the devil ? You been back out on tour since I saw you in Iraq ? I was only back for 6 months then went and did a stint in Afghan, was hell of a lot better than Iraq, they weren't throwing them big bangy bombs at us all the time  |
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Post by shiny nosehair on Jun 18, 2008 10:47:34 GMT
it would be interesting to see how many of our politicians have links to military contractors Have a guess who's company makes 'HESCO' the stuff that's used as a protection barrier out in Iraq and Afghan, don't get me wrong it's good stuff and I'm grateful for it, but .......... |
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Post by serpico on Jun 18, 2008 10:52:55 GMT
it would be interesting to see how many of our politicians have links to military contractors Have a guess who's company makes 'HESCO' the stuff that's used as a protection barrier out in Iraq and Afghan, don't get me wrong it's good stuff and I'm grateful for it, but .......... Do tell ? I know John Major is a ambassador for Halliburton, for whom the Iraq war has been very profitable, this is where all these chicken hawk politicians go when leaving office, because they know this is where all the money is. |
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Jun 18, 2008 10:57:55 GMT
I'm good shiny. Just been promoted to Capt  Or Hauptmann in Mick's (Old Stokie) language lol. Was supposed to go to Afghan on the last tour, but the CO said no...... because he didn't know me as I had just arrived!?!?!? Gutted is not the word. How are the wonderful men and their flying machines holding out? |
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Jun 18, 2008 11:17:28 GMT
It's just a tragedy how many lives have been thrown away on this whole folly. Nobody's been able to explain what exactly it is that we're trying to do and how we're supposed to know when it's complete. It's a totally ill defined and horribly expensive mish mash of objectives.
At best it's a cock-up. At worst it's a purposefully engineered conflict out of which some individuals are doing very well. Certain financiers and arms manufacturers do very well in times of war, and it's in their interest to create and prolong conflict indefinitely. Meanwhile lives are lost of both sides and the public are asked blindly to support it all on flimsy pretences.
If Iraq and Afghanistan don't make you angry at your government then you don't understand the situation, it's as simple as that.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Jun 18, 2008 11:21:27 GMT
And us Kenilworth? What about what we see on the ground and the realisation of we actually achieve??? True, there are difficulties and lives have been lost..... but we see what we do when we are there.... yes it is irritating and sometimes we feel we'd rather be at home...... but we are just doing our job and we see the results on the ground which makes it worthwhile
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jun 18, 2008 11:26:37 GMT
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Jun 18, 2008 11:38:25 GMT
Ahh.... Horace's Odes...... I like the classics. No gloryfying on my behalf..... nor would i willingly sell the true nature of the ground. But has anyone actually bothered to ask the person who is in the middle of all of this...... plodding along... doing his/her job?
I am just sick of people saying either the good of the war.... or the evil of the government.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jun 18, 2008 11:47:07 GMT
But has anyone actually bothered to ask the person who is in the middle of all of this...... plodding along... doing his/her job? Why bother you just do as you're told and it were ever thus. |
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Jun 18, 2008 12:31:50 GMT
Absolutely, I have no quarrel with those over their doing their job. It's just a tragedy they've been sent to do somebody else's bidding on an extremely shaky pretence.
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Post by salopstick on Jun 18, 2008 13:37:49 GMT
it is the bane of my life unfortunately try working the discipline package |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jun 18, 2008 14:58:01 GMT
appalling treatment of our troops both in Afghan and Iraq - chinooks desperately needed but 7 sitting in a warehouse because of buraeucracy and 1 for Prince William to go and visit his missus. On the bright side if u get your legs or arms blown off then you get non-priority treatment in Selly Oak hospital with all the yam yams. Heartbreaking. All the ppl I know out there say if they had the equipment and enough troops they could sort it. Even though some of them haven't been paid for 9 weeks. Disgusting. Would we? At one point there were one-hundred-thousand-Soviet Troops in Afghanistan - and they still couldn't "sort it" because it's not "sortable" in a ground war I have family fighting in Helmand Province and what our troops are fighting is a guerilla-war - Ground war and guerilla wars don't mix Ask any soldier But the political cost of extraction is too great That's why we're still there Politicians/Generals know this |
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Post by bostedclog on Jun 18, 2008 17:53:50 GMT
It is sad news.Im am sorry for the loss of life.But and it is a big but we all see and read the news we all know what is going on but for every loss of four lives another four will be willing to step in their shoes and replace them.Cannon Fodder.You join up and you are then supporting the government and their (war on terror)..
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Post by serpico on Jul 13, 2008 19:45:21 GMT
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 13, 2008 19:57:25 GMT
As always, our lads fighting bravely with poor equipment, poor support from our leaders that have sent them there. Somethings never change, West Germany winter 69,70 and 71 freezing bloody cold and we get issued Jungle greens, including tropical underwear. How do you spend a decade reducing Military spending then enter into such theartes of war? Use the working class as cannon fodder. Because Paddy...that's the way it's always been  |
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Post by serpico on Jul 13, 2008 20:14:24 GMT
Lions led by donkeys
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Or Hauptmann in Mick's (Old Stokie) language lol.
