Bizarre Glove Triangle

[danceswithclams]

Have been discussing what's happened to our goalkeeping situation over the past few years with a few pals this evening and one made the prescient point that it's been really quite bizarre for the past few years.

First there was the Butland/Davies debacle where we signed Davies and ostracised him even though Butland kept throwing it in the net.

Then there was the whole Davies/Bursik/Gunn love triangle where MON kept swapping every fortnight even though Gunn wasn't our player and on a two year loan.

Now we get rid of Davies, presumably because MON thinks Bursik is the future (rightly so) and yet he keeps dropping him for Bonham, mostly even when Bursik has nowhere near deserved it?

It's a very odd situation and one that can't do anything by way of establishing a solid back line. Not sure what MON thinks he's achieving with this surreal approach to both signing and fielding GKs?

[lordb]

Just play Bursik
he's potentially excellent keeper

[svengaliinplatforms]

Excellent thread title! I dont really care what's in it.

[mickstupp]

We don’t have a decent keeper at the club. Bursik shows glimmers of promise amongst a catalogue of costly errors. They all need moving on.

Get Iversen from Leicester. Currently on loan at Preston and, for me, the best keeper in the league.

[Deleted]

Very much a case of Tainted Glove


If I was to say that Bursik should be no2 and a new keeper needed...FACT. would be Glove Actually

[GreaterGlasgowstokie]

Brilliant thread title and initial post

[generationex]

The Temptation is to think it’s a lack of Technique or Movement. Personally I feel MON has lacked True Faith in any of his keepers.

[bojanwonder]

Bring Bego back. Definitely a 'glove resurrection'.

[thehartshillbadger]

We require an experienced keeper who has played at the top, they’re not hard to find. Bursik isn’t ready. I’ve never seen him have a good game.
It’s all very romantic about having a young keeper who’s in the England U21 squad but he is not good enough right now.

Echo the others about the thread title, nice one clams👍🏻

[chad]

Mar 1, 2022 21:54:47 GMT lordb said:

Just play Bursik
he's potentially excellent keeper

This. He’s the young England keeper. He’ll improve. Has to play every game from now till the end

[chiprockets]

echo the sentiments already posted, play Bursik.
Swapping them in and out isn't great management. It's definitely a stick you can beat MON with.

Play Bursik, accept he's young and WILL make mistakes but that's how he will improve.

[stayingupforbigbazza]

Brilliant work by Butland with that bumbled clearance . Seen it so many times . If only it had fell to a striker

[a]

Mar 1, 2022 22:00:14 GMT jesusmcmuffin said:

Very much a case of Tainted Glove


If I was to say that Bursik should be no2 and a new keeper needed...FACT. would be Glove Actually

We need to build A Bridge over Gloveled Water to tempt Bego back, but might have to wait because You can’t hurry Glove. But as long as whoever comes in is welcomed to The Glove Shack, because they probably Want to know what Glove is.

[Billy the kid]

Mar 1, 2022 22:22:07 GMT thehartshillbadger said:

We require an experienced keeper who has played at the top, they’re not hard to find. Bursik isn’t ready. I’ve never seen him have a good game.
It’s all very romantic about having a young keeper who’s in the England U21 squad but he is not good enough right now.

Echo the others about the thread title, nice one clams👍🏻

That is really unfair on Bursik, when he came in from nowhere when we were really short, he was immense. Since then he has come off the boil, but that is to be expected, personally I would have taken a goal keeper at the end of their career much like with did with Tommy Sorrensen. But Bursik is the future, may as well give him game time as we are going nowhere this season. That can only benefit us next season. Not the finished article by a long shot, but we are where we are.

[boltonstokie]

Mar 1, 2022 22:40:50 GMT chad said:

Mar 1, 2022 21:54:47 GMT lordb said:

Just play Bursik
he's potentially excellent keeper

This. He’s the young England keeper. He’ll improve. Has to play every game from now till the end

He’s rubbish and continually proves it.

[cheadlepotter]

Bursik might not be very good at the moment, but he has the potential to be very good. Bonham, however, is unlikely to improve. So stop pissing about and just play Bursik.

[jokker]

Gordon Banks wasn't the world's greatest keeper when he was a young man at Chesterfield but the manager kept faith in him, knowing that the faith would be repaid, and it was.

O'Neill needs to do the same- He cannot declare that he's selling Davies because he sees Bursik as his number one and then drop him a few weeks later after some relatively minor mistakes, and replace him with an incompetent keeper, because, now, O'Neill believes Bonham, not Bursik, deserves the chance to be number 1.

It's simply very poor management.

[SamB_SCFC]

Two shots on target tonight, 2 goals. It's an on going theme with our goalkeepers which has been going on for a few years now, we don't make enough saves. It applies to both Bonham and Bursik, and Davies and Butland before them.

Our defending isn't great and we make too many mistakes but every team needs their goalkeeper to bail out mistakes every now and again. Our keepers just don't come to the rescue often enough and it's why such a high proportion of our defensive mistakes seem to get punished. Get a shot on target against us and there's a very good chance it'll go in.

[boskampsflaps]

Mar 1, 2022 21:59:36 GMT mickstupp said:

We don’t have a decent keeper at the club. Bursik shows glimmers of promise amongst a catalogue of costly errors. They all need moving on.

Get Iversen from Leicester. Currently on loan at Preston and, for me, the best keeper in the league.

I don't particularly agree re Bursik but it can't be great getting dropped all the time, even when he's had a decent game/done nothing wrong.

[skip]

Chant of the night: “you’re just a shit Joe Bursik…”

[cvillestokie]

I was going to start a thread, but this is much better named (and beat me to it).

A policy of the club has been to get cheaper, younger players with potential. For goalkeepers, we have appeared to bring in two in recent years that have either excelled (Davies) or played a lot (Bonham) in the lower leagues. Personally, I feel that this policy is fine (young(er) [given that both could still play for 10 seasons] players who are hungry) when it’s for outfielders.

We want experience in goal, not hunger or youth. Bring in someone who is in their 30s and has played in the Premier League but are now looking to get back to regular games.

Errors in goal lead to goals, errors up front are much more forgiving.

Until then, play Bursik. We won’t be going up this year (or down). There’s no point in playing Bonham when we have a young player who is at worst, as good as him.

If Bursik is still tripe at the end of the season, then a goalkeeper isn’t just a priority but also the one priority that we need to spend on if we have to.

[Roger Everyone]

It's the New Order for goalkeepers.

[potterburt]

It all kinda coincides with Andy Quy departing during Mark Hughes era, for over a decade we were excelling at having a stellar crop of keepers, as time moves on we seem to be getting further and further away from the ‘coaches ethos’ of good keepers. Guess we’re back with the rest of having to learn how to buy them/loan them in.

Thanks again Hughes 👍🏼

[theonlooker]

Mar 2, 2022 5:14:28 GMT potterburt said:

It all kinda coincides with Andy Quy departing during Mark Hughes era, for over a decade we were excelling at having a stellar crop of keepers, as time moves on we seem to be getting further and further away from the ‘coaches ethos’ of good keepers. Guess we’re back with the rest of having to learn how to buy them/loan them in.

Thanks again Hughes 👍🏼

Andy Quy was replaced by MON.

[TinkerT]

Bonham wasn't good enough for Gillingham so why the hell he's getting gametime here I don't know. Bursik has potential to be one of the best young keepers in the country, yes he will make mistakes but for fuck sake give him a run of games! Why sell Davies if your not 100% confident in bursik? Another absolute shocking decisions from our management.

[Trouserdog]

Think he'll soon Regret getting rid of Davies. It's Crystal-clear that Bursik isn't ready yet, but equally he can't keep giving in to the Temptation to play Bonham.

It's a situation that just keeps going Round and Round. No wonder there's Confusion in our defence.

[Deleted]

He dropped a massive bollock getting rid of Davies.

And that isn't hindsight. It was bloody obvious at the time.

We're paying the price. There's a lot to despise about this current group, including the Manager.

[svengaliinplatforms]

Mar 2, 2022 7:04:18 GMT @redapples said:

He dropped a massive bollock getting rid of Davies.

And that isn't hindsight. It was bloody obvious at the time.

We're paying the price. There's a lot to despise about this current group, including the Manager.

I think 'despise' is a little strong. I despised the shithouse of a dressing room we ended up with post-PL, under Rowett and Jones, that our current manager's managed to shuffle out the door.

We do though, have a cluster of key players that just aren't up to the mark. That's obvious. Goalkeepers included.

The season's over, give the gloves to Bursik, see how he does...if the 'experience' does him good, we win. If he drops a bollock every other game, we get him out on loan again, and we need a new experienced 'keeper.

Bonham is a 3rd choice keeper. Christ only knows what the manager was thinking last night.

[samuel32]

Mar 2, 2022 0:34:38 GMT boskampsflaps said:

Mar 1, 2022 21:59:36 GMT mickstupp said:

We don’t have a decent keeper at the club. Bursik shows glimmers of promise amongst a catalogue of costly errors. They all need moving on.

Get Iversen from Leicester. Currently on loan at Preston and, for me, the best keeper in the league.

I don't particularly agree re Bursik but it can't be great getting dropped all the time, even when he's had a decent game/done nothing wrong.

Bursik didn't actually make a mistake did he? You need confidence playing in goal and you don't get that swapping keepers every few games. He needs to pick a keeper and trust them for a run of games. Or if he can't trust them he needs to get someone who he does trust in.

[Deleted]

Mar 2, 2022 7:14:29 GMT svengaliinplatforms said:

Mar 2, 2022 7:04:18 GMT @redapples said:

He dropped a massive bollock getting rid of Davies.

And that isn't hindsight. It was bloody obvious at the time.

We're paying the price. There's a lot to despise about this current group, including the Manager.

I think 'despise' is a little strong. I despised the shithouse of a dressing room we ended up with post-PL, under Rowett and Jones, that our current manager's managed to shuffle out the door.

We do though, have a cluster of key players that just aren't up to the mark. That's obvious. Goalkeepers included.

The season's over, give the gloves to Bursik, see how he does...if the 'experience' does him good, we win. If he drops a bollock every other game, we get him out on loan again, and we need a new experienced 'keeper.

Bonham is a 3rd choice keeper. Christ only knows what the manager was thinking last night.

As a club we've had the resources to challenge, at the very least, for the plays offs (despite all FFP shyte).

We've got a squad of players who are good enough to challenge, at the very least, for the play offs.

Yet we find ourselves 15th. Whilst the likes of Luton, on a shoestring, are in the play offs.

Ask yourself why is that? The manager obviously takes some of the blame for tactical decisions, team selections etc.

And the players clearly shoulder blame too. For me, its a lack of application and attitude. They think they're better than they are. That somehow just turning up is enough for them to win.

There's a lot to dislike about the whole set up, top to bottom. Gave up on this season a while ago.