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Post by RF10 on Mar 1, 2022 16:32:32 GMT
Ah the good old people from Liverpool are Scum message. Pathetic.
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Post by a on Mar 1, 2022 16:42:17 GMT
Having a royal family ... that we pay taxes to keep, is a piss take by the ruling classes on every last one of us ordinary folk. We even paid the hush money to keep a close family member out of serious criminality. If booing the national anthem gets your back up, I genuinely pity you. I’m surprised how many people are upset at the monarchy. Seems like a modern moan though which will ultimately result in people booing a song I suppose. Can’t see the monarchy going anywhere anytime soon, even with Liverpool fans booing the anthem.
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Post by werrington on Mar 1, 2022 16:50:41 GMT
I was there in the Royal Box (representing the FSA) and to be honest I didn't notice it. It obviously happened but it certainly didn't drown out the singer. What I DID notice, was when the crowd was asked to show solidarity with Ukraine the Liverpool fans sang you'll never walk alone, which I appreciated. As an aside, one of the strongest anti-monarchy people I have met in football is Peter Coates. Being anti-monarchy is not of course the same as being unpatriotic or anti your country in any sense. This is what people on here are struggling to grasp Malcolm They aren’t booing the anthem per se it’s the monarchy they are booing but seriously you are wasting your time trying to explain it and the reasons behind it
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Post by richardparker on Mar 1, 2022 16:52:45 GMT
Having a royal family ... that we pay taxes to keep, is a piss take by the ruling classes on every last one of us ordinary folk. We even paid the hush money to keep a close family member out of serious criminality. If booing the national anthem gets your back up, I genuinely pity you. I’m surprised how many people are upset at the monarchy. Seems like a modern moan though which will ultimately result in people booing a song I suppose. Can’t see the monarchy going anywhere anytime soon, even with Liverpool fans booing the anthem. Their time is well and truly up! They're now just clinging on by their nails. I'm pretty sure cap doffing at politicians (such as the Clown Prince of Eton types) will continue long after the royal family has been privatised.
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Post by a on Mar 1, 2022 16:54:03 GMT
I’m surprised how many people are upset at the monarchy. Seems like a modern moan though which will ultimately result in people booing a song I suppose. Can’t see the monarchy going anywhere anytime soon, even with Liverpool fans booing the anthem. Their time is well and truly up! They're now just clinging on by their nails. I'm pretty sure cap doffing at politicians (such as the Clown Prince of Eton types) will continue long after the royal family has been privatised. The recent goings on will have done their image no favours, but todays news paper is tomorrows chip paper as they say. Time will tell, as always
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 1, 2022 16:55:36 GMT
Nice to hear “fuck the tories” ring around Wembley They don’t mind taking the benefits Who the Royals? Damn right they’re parasites……
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 16:56:59 GMT
Nice to hear “fuck the tories” ring around Wembley Making them have proof of actually looking for work still tiles them I guess
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 1, 2022 17:00:24 GMT
I was there in the Royal Box (representing the FSA) and to be honest I didn't notice it. It obviously happened but it certainly didn't drown out the singer. What I DID notice, was when the crowd was asked to show solidarity with Ukraine the Liverpool fans sang you'll never walk alone, which I appreciated. As an aside, one of the strongest anti-monarchy people I have met in football is Peter Coates. Being anti-monarchy is not of course the same as being unpatriotic or anti your country in any sense. This is what people on here are struggling to grasp Malcolm They aren’t booing the anthem per se it’s the monarchy they are booing but seriously you are wasting your time trying to explain it and the reasons behind it I always stand up for the national anthem and wouldn't ever boo it, because I'm a polite sort of guy (I hope !) and it's not worth having a row about. But I don't sing it because the words are not about our country, our values or our democracy, they are about the institution of the monarchy and us being subjects not citizens ( "long to reign over us......" etc. ).
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Post by ceejays on Mar 1, 2022 17:01:36 GMT
Worked in Liverpool for 30 years. One subject to avoid was Hillsboro. You took your life in your own hands if you dared offer an alternative view. Like Port Vale v Liverpool 1964 . My dad was Vale fan and took me to that match . Enough said
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Post by bamber01 on Mar 1, 2022 17:05:54 GMT
Well I am by no means a royalist, but a little bit of fact checking is in order.
The Monarchy receives from the public purse circa 70 Million GBP Tourism associated to the Monarchy brings in circa 2 Billion GBP
All figures pre pandemic of course.
With regards to a certain member of that family how it was paid is not public knowledge just speculation it is tax payers picking up the bill, however most analyst have claimed it is paid out of the queens estates revenue, which she also by the way pays full taxation on.
I haven't lived in the UK for 22 years now but the blindness to the value of the family is incredible, one last fact the majority (pre pandemic) of tourism came from that nation where there kicked us out and have no real history themselves so they spend their hard earns dollars coming to the UK to experience the Monarchy and it's history.
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Post by a on Mar 1, 2022 17:07:09 GMT
They don’t mind taking the benefits Who the Royals? Damn right they’re parasites…… The monarchy cost the taxpayer £1.29 per year (per person). Social care (which I know includes those who really need it rather than those who refuse to work or pay their way) costs quite considerably more.
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Post by chad on Mar 1, 2022 17:11:49 GMT
Worked in Liverpool for 30 years. One subject to avoid was Hillsboro. You took your life in your own hands if you dared offer an alternative view. Like Port Vale v Liverpool 1964 . My dad was Vale fan and took me to that match . Enough said I was at the game age 13. Ended up sitting on the grass behind the goal How people didn’t die that night I’ll never know
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Post by thevoid on Mar 1, 2022 17:39:56 GMT
Who the Royals? Damn right they’re parasites…… The monarchy cost the taxpayer £1.29 per year (per person). Social care (which I know includes those who really need it rather than those who refuse to work or pay their way) costs quite considerably more. I'd rather get the £1.29 back, I'd put an accumulator on with it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 17:42:02 GMT
This is what people on here are struggling to grasp Malcolm They aren’t booing the anthem per se it’s the monarchy they are booing but seriously you are wasting your time trying to explain it and the reasons behind it I always stand up for the national anthem and wouldn't ever boo it, because I'm a polite sort of guy (I hope !) and it's not worth having a row about. But I don't sing it because the words are not about our country, our values or our democracy, they are about the institution of the monarchy and us being subjects not citizens ( "long to reign over us......" etc. ). Could do without anthems at sporting events personally but not respecting them is nonsense for me. You know who is playing so why do you need an anthem played?
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Post by thevoid on Mar 1, 2022 17:57:07 GMT
As an atheist and republican I can't think of a dirge that represents me less.
Italy- now THERE'S an anthem!
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Mar 1, 2022 17:58:18 GMT
Worked in Liverpool for 30 years. One subject to avoid was Hillsboro. You took your life in your own hands if you dared offer an alternative view. Like Port Vale v Liverpool 1964 . My dad was Vale fan and took me to that match . Enough said I was at the game age 13. Ended up sitting on the grass behind the goal How people didn’t die that night I’ll never know Quite a contingent of us from Longton High went, both Vale and Stoke supporters together. We went in The Kop and weren't threatened at all but when we were leaving a woman fell on the steep steps just in front of us. We tried to divert the crowd but were pushed away I remember the comment "a woman shouldn't be in the kop ". The replay at Vale was pretty memorable as well. Strangely again I can't recall aggro with fans from both cities mixing on the bus (PMT) to the ground. Once there though the Liverpool fans stormed the gates and climbed on the roof of the stand - some fell off and were injured !! Sorry - nothing to do with Royalty or National Anthem but a great footballing memory.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 1, 2022 18:01:36 GMT
Who the Royals? Damn right they’re parasites…… The monarchy cost the taxpayer £1.29 per year (per person). Social care (which I know includes those who really need it rather than those who refuse to work or pay their way) costs quite considerably more. That figure doesn’t include security which the police force (the taxpayer) foots the bill, or royal visits where the respective local council (the taxpayer) foots the bill. Or the income for the Duchy of Lancaster and Duchy of Cornwall that goes directly into the Royal Family coffers. So I’d rather that money go into social care personally……..
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Post by Veritas on Mar 1, 2022 18:11:25 GMT
The monarchy cost the taxpayer £1.29 per year (per person). Social care (which I know includes those who really need it rather than those who refuse to work or pay their way) costs quite considerably more. That figure doesn’t include security which the police force (the taxpayer) foots the bill, or royal visits where the respective local council (the taxpayer) foots the bill. Or the income for the Duchy of Lancaster and Duchy of Cornwall that goes directly into the Royal Family coffers. So I’d rather that money go into social care personally…….. If we are having a head of state of any type I would just rather have a vote to decide who. If one of the Windsors stood and won great, at least until the next vote.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 1, 2022 18:12:21 GMT
As an atheist and republican I can't think of a dirge that represents me less. Italy- now THERE'S an anthem! Whenever I hear their national anthem I think of Captain Alberto Bertorelli from Allo Allo. It’s a belter though
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 1, 2022 18:13:50 GMT
That figure doesn’t include security which the police force (the taxpayer) foots the bill, or royal visits where the respective local council (the taxpayer) foots the bill. Or the income for the Duchy of Lancaster and Duchy of Cornwall that goes directly into the Royal Family coffers. So I’d rather that money go into social care personally…….. If we are having a head of state of any type I would just rather have a vote to decide who. If one of the Windsors stood and won great, at least until the next vote. I could live with that, and all the other royals can get a proper job like the rest of us…..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 18:15:47 GMT
That figure doesn’t include security which the police force (the taxpayer) foots the bill, or royal visits where the respective local council (the taxpayer) foots the bill. Or the income for the Duchy of Lancaster and Duchy of Cornwall that goes directly into the Royal Family coffers. So I’d rather that money go into social care personally…….. If we are having a head of state of any type I would just rather have a vote to decide who. If one of the Windsors stood and won great, at least until the next vote. My money would be on Barbara
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Post by Veritas on Mar 1, 2022 18:17:16 GMT
If we are having a head of state of any type I would just rather have a vote to decide who. If one of the Windsors stood and won great, at least until the next vote. My money would be on Barbera I think you may be a bit late on that option!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 18:17:47 GMT
My money would be on Barbera I think you may be a bit late on that option! I really should watch the news
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Post by a on Mar 1, 2022 18:41:16 GMT
The monarchy cost the taxpayer £1.29 per year (per person). Social care (which I know includes those who really need it rather than those who refuse to work or pay their way) costs quite considerably more. That figure doesn’t include security which the police force (the taxpayer) foots the bill, or royal visits where the respective local council (the taxpayer) foots the bill. Or the income for the Duchy of Lancaster and Duchy of Cornwall that goes directly into the Royal Family coffers. So I’d rather that money go into social care personally…….. Just putting the information into the conversation bud, they cost us next to nothing compared to other areas where more money could be saved. Get lazy arsed back to work (obviously not those who cannot work) and we’d all be much better off. Also the monarchy as others have said bring lots of money etc to the UK.
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Post by a on Mar 1, 2022 18:45:07 GMT
The monarchy cost the taxpayer £1.29 per year (per person). Social care (which I know includes those who really need it rather than those who refuse to work or pay their way) costs quite considerably more. I'd rather get the £1.29 back, I'd put an accumulator on with it 😂
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Post by andystokey on Mar 1, 2022 18:46:57 GMT
Fuck the national anthem, i turn the sound down when the GB god save whoever comes on, its about time us English had our own anthem we have the sweaties singing about some weed/flower or summat the irish, well they sing about ireland the welsh sing like theyre going into battle ( quite good too ) we sing about an old dear in london,,, bin it and sing jerusalem The old dear that is a descendant of William the Conquerer, the king from the Norman Conquest? 😉 I think about 5 million of us are at the last guess including Danny Dyer. So La Marseillaise would be more appropriate. Although I think the House of Windsor are mostly German Saxe-Coburg so perhaps the Deutschlandlied. I'm guessing Camilla is from Viking stock because her face is like a Norse.
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Mar 1, 2022 19:00:15 GMT
I always stand up for the national anthem and wouldn't ever boo it, because I'm a polite sort of guy (I hope !) and it's not worth having a row about. But I don't sing it because the words are not about our country, our values or our democracy, they are about the institution of the monarchy and us being subjects not citizens ( "long to reign over us......" etc. ). Could do without anthems at sporting events personally but not respecting them is nonsense for me. You know who is playing so why do you need an anthem played? Putting aside the rest of the arguments your last sentence did make me chuckle . I can imagine conversations in the crowd at international matches at some time long ago when we didn't know who was playing until they played the national anthems. "Who's playing ?" "Not sure - that anthem was ours so must be us. Let's see what they play next . Do you know that one ?"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 19:06:56 GMT
Could do without anthems at sporting events personally but not respecting them is nonsense for me. You know who is playing so why do you need an anthem played? Putting aside the rest of the arguments your last sentence did make me chuckle . I can imagine conversations in the crowd at international matches at some time long ago when we didn't know who was playing until they played the national anthems. "Who's playing ?" "Not sure - that anthem was ours so must be us. Let's see what they play next . Do you know that one ?" Feck me it's Djibouti.
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Post by boothenesque on Mar 1, 2022 21:57:46 GMT
That figure doesn’t include security which the police force (the taxpayer) foots the bill, or royal visits where the respective local council (the taxpayer) foots the bill. Or the income for the Duchy of Lancaster and Duchy of Cornwall that goes directly into the Royal Family coffers. So I’d rather that money go into social care personally…….. Just putting the information into the conversation bud, they cost us next to nothing compared to other areas where more money could be saved. Get lazy arsed back to work (obviously not those who cannot work) and we’d all be much better off. Also the monarchy as others have said bring lots of money etc to the UK. Do they pay business rates, NI, the same income tax as the rest of us, capital gains tax? If your castle burned down would the taxpayer shell out to rebuild it, £70m in todays money? If you are broken into do thepolice come to your assistance? Who knows the security and policing costs of the monarchy? Who pays for their trips in their own plane, own ship, fleet of Bentleys, why have so many palaces and castles, do they pay council tax? Who pays for all the fancy dress and fake medals, who pays for the Queen's birthday, you would think she has enough riches and one birthday was enough, who pays for all the fancy dress of outdated military uniforms, people dressingup in wierd hats, where is all this costed? But aside from the monetary aspect, what of the morality of the outdated system, that requires no qualificatins, certifications, market tested abilities and talent while being granted obscene riches for doing no work other than cutting ribbons and pulling chords to unveil plaques. And you hear this over and over from fawning monarchists, that people only visit this country because of The Royals. Where is the proof of this money they generate. Most of the tacky souveniers are made in China. In a free democratic meritocracy (not saying we completely have that) what is the relevance and point of a monarchy? Why no privatise them and then you can opt in or opt out of being a subject, let them stand on their own like everyone else but if someone want to worship thm as celebreties then they're free to do so and free not to. IPO the assets, subject buy shares, revenue raised can go towards national debt, those that love them can be shareholders, Royals get a payrise, Andrew back on payroll to earn revenue from his non-sweating freak show, that that don;t buy the unfairness of a monarchy get to opt out, everyone wins! How much is "lots" that they allegedly bring in, only they never put a figure on that, or the costs?
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Post by swampySCFC on Mar 1, 2022 22:04:03 GMT
Always love it when people reject the establishment then turn up to the dole queue for the establishment handouts.
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