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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 19, 2022 23:00:29 GMT
He’s not just a left winger. When he signed he was pushed as being a number 10. He’s good enough to play pretty much anywhere and would cause mayhem in a more central role. Do you think Clucas is the better option then? I’ve never once seen him play as a number 10. We played 433 and in that system a see Clucas or Thompson as the two options. I’m no Clucas fan at all but I can’t see the logic in calls for youngsters to pay in positions they’ve never played in. Well all I’d say is it didn’t work and it’s failed numerous times before. Allen played well today but a side with both Allen and Clucas in CM rarely works so we have to try something different in my opinion.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 19, 2022 23:01:20 GMT
Then you weren’t watching. I was there as always. He passed the ball sideways and backwards and did fuck all. Allen had a far better game. Allen played well. Woods used the ball better and had the better game.
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 19, 2022 23:02:06 GMT
I was there as always. He passed the ball sideways and backwards and did fuck all. Allen had a far better game. Allen played well. Woods used the ball better and had the better game. Completely disagree
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 19, 2022 23:03:03 GMT
Allen played well. Woods used the ball better and had the better game. Completely disagree You thought Allen played poorly?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 19, 2022 23:09:34 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 19, 2022 23:11:42 GMT
Have you got nothing better to do? Talk about the football or not at all.
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Post by Uncle cheese on Feb 19, 2022 23:17:31 GMT
You thought Allen played poorly? Woods is shite. Allen is shite. Nothing more to add really on those pair
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 19, 2022 23:18:30 GMT
You thought Allen played poorly? Woods is shite. Allen is shite. Nothing more to add really on those pair Both played well today. Football eh 😂
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Post by Uncle cheese on Feb 19, 2022 23:21:40 GMT
Woods is shite. Allen is shite. Nothing more to add really on those pair Both played well today. Football eh 😂 Whatever suits you
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Post by HarryTheHat on Feb 19, 2022 23:56:03 GMT
The evidence is we’re underachieving. No the evidence is the last four years. 16th, 15th, 14th and 13th. Your opinion isn’t evidence. Great, looks like we just have to give him another 7 seasons and we'll finally make the playoffs then
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 20, 2022 0:05:00 GMT
No the evidence is the last four years. 16th, 15th, 14th and 13th. Your opinion isn’t evidence. Great, looks like we just have to give him another 7 seasons and we'll finally make the playoffs then 😂😂😂 The mad part is some will read that and think “what a good plan”
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 20, 2022 0:13:43 GMT
Today was disappointing but not sure what else MON could do. Even if he started DWP, Clucas is going to get introduced at some point. The main criticism from me is that I don’t think we really played the conditions or the opponents. I knew before the game that Hernandez would cause us problems with his pace yet we played a really high, risky line. I thought Birmingham played pretty well too. It’s disappointing but a draw was fair. We just have to hope everyone is fit for the last 15 games and go hell for leather at it.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 20, 2022 8:44:28 GMT
He’s not just a left winger. When he signed he was pushed as being a number 10. He’s good enough to play pretty much anywhere and would cause mayhem in a more central role. Do you think Clucas is the better option then? I’ve never once seen him play as a number 10. We played 433 and in that system I see Clucas or Thompson as the two fit options. I’m no Clucas fan at all but I can’t see the logic in calls for youngsters to pay in positions they’ve never played in. He played centrally at Hull and was excellent there.
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 20, 2022 9:09:49 GMT
Next season is indeed huge, we either go up or face a further two or three years of rebuild with another new manager whilst the board give them more time. Whilst I’m not necessarily into chopping and changing managers so as to allow them time, other clubs do it successfully and frequently so why don’t we? I think it’s convenient for the board to hide behind the “give the manager time excuse” as it takes the pressure off them whilst also giving the manager a free ride. Must be great coming to Stoke as a manager because mediocrity is seen as a positive and you really have got to fuck up big style to lose your job.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 20, 2022 9:27:13 GMT
Could be a very tricky night Wednesday as a chest thumping jines takes Luton to the brink of the top 6 having inherited a team destined for relegation in oneils first year and with infinitely less resource , its not a case for keeping Jones of course buts an indictment of what this management team has actually achieved , we are no closer now than two years ago and would that have been Acceptable at the start of late season ?
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 20, 2022 9:29:42 GMT
Could be a very tricky night Wednesday as a chest thumping jines takes Luton to the brink of the top 6 having inherited a team destined for relegation in oneils first year and with infinitely less resource , its not a case for keeping Jones of course buts an indictment of what this management team has actually achieved , we are no closer now than two years ago and would that have been Acceptable at the start of late season ? Just look at the state of it, salivating at the prospect of Luton beating us...
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 20, 2022 9:34:31 GMT
Could be a very tricky night Wednesday as a chest thumping jines takes Luton to the brink of the top 6 having inherited a team destined for relegation in oneils first year and with infinitely less resource , its not a case for keeping Jones of course buts an indictment of what this management team has actually achieved , we are no closer now than two years ago and would that have been Acceptable at the start of late season ? You think we are no closer now than in MON's first season seriously? Batshit crazy when you take everything into account on and off the field. I know the use of hyperbole on here is off the scale but the margins are so small hanging on against Forest and seeing out the win yesterday puts us in a really strong position going into the last 15 games of the season. Let's just see how the last third of the season pans out and assess things from there.......
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Post by chuckrocky on Feb 20, 2022 9:45:26 GMT
Just had a look at our transfer business since the start of last season. We’ve signed an astonishing 27 players in the last 18 months.
That’s a luxury that most managers in this league aren’t afforded.
It’s not unfair to say that we should have expected an improvement on last season and we haven’t seen it. It really is going to be a make or break summer for the manger.
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 20, 2022 9:53:47 GMT
I’ve never once seen him play as a number 10. We played 433 and in that system I see Clucas or Thompson as the two fit options. I’m no Clucas fan at all but I can’t see the logic in calls for youngsters to pay in positions they’ve never played in. He played centrally at Hull and was excellent there. He played as a centre forward in a 352 alongside Brown.
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Post by nott1 on Feb 20, 2022 9:59:49 GMT
The season is now dead, we have no chance of promotion whatsoever and we will lose some key players this summer.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 20, 2022 10:02:42 GMT
He played centrally at Hull and was excellent there. He played as a centre forward in a 352 alongside Brown. He was the one who dropped deeper though and was the one linking the play in the way a number 10 does. Brown was the out and out centre forward. So I’m not sure why we’re saying there’s no way he could play as a 10?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 20, 2022 10:03:03 GMT
The season is now dead, we have no chance of promotion whatsoever and we will lose some key players this summer. What key players will we lose?
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Post by nott1 on Feb 20, 2022 10:05:35 GMT
The season is now dead, we have no chance of promotion whatsoever and we will lose some key players this summer. What key players will we lose? People like Souttar, Campbell, Baker, Powell will be tempted to move on, some to the Premiership to teams like Burnley.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 20, 2022 10:07:09 GMT
Cheer up lads beat Nathan and it will look different! Lose this, this Board will go into meltdown.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 20, 2022 10:15:14 GMT
Could be a very tricky night Wednesday as a chest thumping jines takes Luton to the brink of the top 6 having inherited a team destined for relegation in oneils first year and with infinitely less resource , its not a case for keeping Jones of course buts an indictment of what this management team has actually achieved , we are no closer now than two years ago and would that have been Acceptable at the start of late season ? You think we are no closer now than in MON's first season seriously? Batshit crazy when you take everything into account on and off the field. I know the use of hyperbole on here is off the scale but the margins are so small hanging on against Forest and seeing out the win yesterday puts us in a really strong position going into the last 15 games of the season. Let's just see how the last third of the season pans out and assess things from there....... Like it or not I think we are no closer and the table the only measure that really counts suggests the same . If the board were asked at the start of last season would 13th be acceptable with 15 games to go next season , adrift of Luton , Huddersfield and Coventry I’m not convinced they would have been met in the affirmative given the relative positions and resources of those.clubs at the time , I accept it’s fine margins but that’s where fine managers make a difference
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 20, 2022 10:20:20 GMT
He played as a centre forward in a 352 alongside Brown. He was the one who dropped deeper though and was the one linking the play in the way a number 10 does. Brown was the out and out centre forward. So I’m not sure why we’re saying there’s no way he could play as a 10? I dont see him as a serious option to play midfield in a 433 or whatever variation of. He’s a wide attacker in my opinion.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 20, 2022 10:21:17 GMT
Could be a very tricky night Wednesday as a chest thumping jines takes Luton to the brink of the top 6 having inherited a team destined for relegation in oneils first year and with infinitely less resource , its not a case for keeping Jones of course buts an indictment of what this management team has actually achieved , we are no closer now than two years ago and would that have been Acceptable at the start of late season ? Just look at the state of it, salivating at the prospect of Luton beating us... Just explain to me where anything other than concern or comment is expressed in my post . Do you honestly think I want to sit and freeze to death on a wet Wednesday in February to see my team lose and watch Jones jump around .It’s a genuine observation of the relative jobs they have done over two and half years as I said elsewhere at the start of last season would being below Luton , Coventry and huddersfield in 13th have bern considered a job well done in the following season with 15 games to go . yesterday’s script was written at 2.00 o’clock and if the goal is play offs or better it’s a signpost of successive failures by a considerable margin
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 20, 2022 10:22:37 GMT
What key players will we lose? People like Souttar, Campbell, Baker, Powell will be tempted to move on, some to the Premiership to teams like Burnley. Three of those players are under contract, they can be as 'tempted' as they want.
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 20, 2022 10:22:52 GMT
We're much better setting up in a 4-2-3-1, but unless we have someone who can hold the ball up as the centre-forward, the number 10 has to be Powell. If he isn't available, we struggle to make the system work as the ball just keeps coming back at us. The same thing happens in a 4-3-3 because whoever we play as the number 9 struggles to hold on to the ball. In other words, without Nick Powell, whatever we do is just a different version of dysfunctional.
In terms of what we expect from the rest of the season, finishing in the top 10 is a decent outcome for us. There are still a lot of issues with the team we need to address.
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Post by jokker on Feb 20, 2022 10:23:27 GMT
We look dour without Powell in midfield, even Baker has caught the giving the ball away cheaply virus Think Moore should come in on Wednesday You’d have thought given Powell’s atrocious games played ratio we’d have a plan in place to play without him. "We" do - two plans, even. They're Vrancic and Sawyers respectively.
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