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Post by salopstick on Feb 18, 2022 20:23:16 GMT
If referees were miked up and explained their decisions at the time and/or had to explain their decisions after the game you would get better decisions
At the moment refs do what they want without having to be accountable.
It’s only really blatant shot decisions highlighted by the media that may lead to a 1 game demotion to a lower league
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Post by Gods on Feb 18, 2022 23:08:00 GMT
Offside was brought in, I guess, to prevent one side from leaving someone up front shamelessly goal hanging thus forcing the other side to leave a couple of players back even when they were attacking. I don't suppose anyone envisaged the game of cat and mouse that subsequently ensued. I can't help thinking some suitable change to the offside rule would be better than shipping in a whole load of tech to prop it up! Yep, I think should be an advantage rule but where do you draw the line. The handball rule also needs clarifying and would love to see goalkeepers stop being over protected but won't happen. The NASL brought in the 25 yard think it was line to prevent teams playing high offside lines. At the time it was frowned upon but makes more sense now. Agree with all of the above!
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Post by thepottypotter on Feb 26, 2022 15:34:13 GMT
How on earth that was a red card for fox I will never know.
Stopped watching. Bring in VAR.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 26, 2022 15:55:13 GMT
How on earth that was a red card for fox I will never know. Stopped watching. Bring in VAR. VAR wouldn't overturn it. They'd back up the referee on a spurious basis like reckless play or some other modern nonsense.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Feb 26, 2022 15:57:03 GMT
Fuck VAR.
The only way to get proper professional referees is to punish them properly when they make a mistake and publish this openly.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 26, 2022 16:12:19 GMT
I don’t agree with VAR in the slightest.
They just need to get better refs.
These decisions are basic and shouldn’t be happening at the consistent rate they do.
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Post by thepottypotter on Feb 26, 2022 17:05:03 GMT
How on earth that was a red card for fox I will never know. Stopped watching. Bring in VAR. VAR wouldn't overturn it. They'd back up the referee on a spurious basis like reckless play or some other modern nonsense. Maybe, maybe not. In the worst case of them not overturning it, at least it moves the conversation forwards from obsessing over individual shit refs. It would shine a light on the rules and system as a whole and make us think about what else needs to change for better decisions.
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Post by superleft on Feb 26, 2022 18:39:07 GMT
Never understood the kick back against var.
Poorly implemented at first, yes. Also showed that the current rulebook need tweaking because they weren't written for the level of accuracy and ability to watch things back etc...
But all the short term pain is well worth it. Who, in their right mind, wants to go back to the days of hoping injustices just level themselves up over a season? Some weeks you're on the end of a bad decision, other week you get something you don't deserve - absolute nonsense. Even poorly implemented var is better than that.
And talking about changes to the rulebook I'd be fully behind sterner enforcement of unsporting behaviour. Like kicking the ball away from someone trying to take a throw in/goal kick/free kick etc. Basically all the dirty little tricks to time waste and disrupt the game when in front. Id even be interested in anything that stops teams running it to the corner flag. That's similar to the back pass rule that was brought in which keeps the game exciting and stops time wasting. I'd also go for penalty goals for stopping clear goal scoring opportunities and goal line handballs etc..
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 26, 2022 18:41:33 GMT
No lines is the answer. If not clearly visible to the eye after a quick look then the decision stands. Am all for VAR for dangerous play and we see it week in week out at our level. Is needed . Penalties also. Completely agree, there is no reason for a ref to snort cocaine before a match. Unless of course he’s feeling a little sleepy
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Post by seychellesstokie on Feb 27, 2022 5:32:08 GMT
The problem with VAR is its overuse. Stop using it for anything except penalty decisions and contentious red cards and the problem goes away. I read in its first season in the PL, the average delay to matches caused by VAR was 50 seconds. I think most neutral fans, never mind Stoke fans who saw the absurd refereeing decisions in the Bournemouth and Huddersfield games, would say this would have been time well spent to get crucial decisions right.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 27, 2022 8:53:31 GMT
I'm in favour of VAR as the refs in this division need all the help they can get the useless @**@!*!!
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Post by Ron on Feb 27, 2022 9:43:34 GMT
The standard of refereeing at our level is so appalling I think VAR would improve it.
The problem is not the concept of VAR but how it is utilised by the same incompetent officials.
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Post by scarlet on Feb 27, 2022 9:59:18 GMT
The standard of refereeing at our level is so appalling I think VAR would improve it. The problem is not the concept of VAR but how it is utilised by the same incompetent officials. [/quote I agree. The use of VAR in international tournaments has been beneficial but in the hands of our officials it has become bordering on farcical. The only difference it seems to bring to games is we now have two incompetent referees instead of one.
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Post by stokemark on Feb 27, 2022 10:08:39 GMT
Assume we will have VAR on Tuesday ?
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Post by biglad180 on Feb 27, 2022 11:35:14 GMT
var will only work if we have people doing it are fair, just look at the everton game again yesterday nailed on penalty not given, they always give the big decisions to the so called bigger clubs,
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Post by biglad180 on Feb 27, 2022 11:37:35 GMT
Assume we will have VAR on Tuesday ? yes we willhave var on tuesday and Zaha will cheat is way to another penalty
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 27, 2022 13:21:59 GMT
I don’t agree with VAR in the slightest. They just need to get better refs. These decisions are basic and shouldn’t be happening at the consistent rate they do. But they do happen, constantly, around the world. Doesn’t that suggest that your idea of “just get better refs” isn’t likely to happen? Spanish referees get paid a tonne of money and still make rubbish calls all game long.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 27, 2022 13:26:11 GMT
I think the biggest problem with VAR is playing to the letter of the law, which is why offsides by VAR are so frustrating when an elbow is out of position.
I personally think that a player should have to be more than half a body’s length offside (or a full body’s length, which would be faster to see). In doing so, they are not keeping with the spirit of the offside rule and are obviously gaining a significant advantage.
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Post by sevvy on Feb 27, 2022 14:19:38 GMT
Would be so much easier for law to say if any part of a player is onside, ie just one foot, or upper body if leaning back etc. then no offside is given, seems to be so much simpler than these lines and decisions made by millimetres. There will still be those but the advantage would be to the attacker
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Post by BuzzB on Feb 27, 2022 17:21:34 GMT
On about the rule book, can someone explain the reasoning behind liners not flagging for offsides immediately. Delaying the bleedin obvious serves no purpose whatsoever, just winds up players and fans alike. It benefits absolutely nobody. Its bizarre.
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