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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 15, 2024 20:08:29 GMT
So then Cole Palmer
4222?
Rice Bellingham
Palmer Foden
Saka Kane
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Apr 15, 2024 20:08:59 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 15, 2024 20:08:59 GMT
Palmer has to be in, that performance has sealed it He doesn't start though, he's incredibly unlucky to have Foden, Bellingham and Saka to compete with
Still tournament football with 5 subs he should get on and have the chance to show what he can do
Obviously Kane with one of Watkins or Toney (Toney for me but it's minimal) Grealish, Rashford and Gordon to fight it out, think he will leave Gordon out
Rice, TAA, Mainoo and probably Gallagher (booo, I'd take Ward Prowse) looking like his midfield 4
Concerned re fitness at the back Of his first choice back 4 Walker, Shaw and Guehi injured atm Tripier also injured Konsa looks reliable
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Post by lordb on Apr 15, 2024 20:12:52 GMT
So then Cole Palmer 4222? Rice Bellingham Palmer Foden Saka Kane Not for me Bellingham is the best player, be a crime not to play him closer to goal shoving him back in order to get other talented players is the sort of mistake Sven would make Rice, Mainoo, Bellingham looks perfect Foden Saka and Kane If that means leaving Palmer out that's what has to be done it's not an end of season jamboree all star game where you reward the star players it's about building a balanced side to win
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 15, 2024 20:15:12 GMT
So then Cole Palmer 4222? Rice Bellingham Palmer Foden Saka Kane Not for me Bellingham is the best player, be a crime not to play him closer to goal shoving him back in order to get other talented players is the sort of mistake Sven would make Rice, Mainoo, Bellingham looks perfect Foden Saka and Kane If that means leaving Palmer out that's what has to be done it's not an end of season jamboree all star game where you reward the star players it's about building a balanced side to win I think Foden is better than him tbh. And he can play deeper. And that side is still balanced. (I think there’s an argument Bellingham should play with Rice anyway).
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 20:16:39 GMT
So then Cole Palmer 4222? Rice Bellingham Palmer Foden Saka Kane
Nope, Rice can't do it on his own.
Foden--------Bellingham---------Palmer/Saka*
----------Rice--------Mainoo----------------
*On current form, I'd play Palmer over Saka but Southgate won't.
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 15, 2024 20:19:26 GMT
So then Cole Palmer 4222? Rice Bellingham Palmer Foden Saka Kane Not for me Bellingham is the best player, be a crime not to play him closer to goal shoving him back in order to get other talented players is the sort of mistake Sven would make Rice, Mainoo, Bellingham looks perfect Foden Saka and Kane If that means leaving Palmer out that's what has to be done it's not an end of season jamboree all star game where you reward the star players it's about building a balanced side to win Agree. It's Foden or Palmer in the starting eleven. Fag paper between them in my opinion.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 15, 2024 20:21:36 GMT
So then Cole Palmer 4222? Rice Bellingham Palmer Foden Saka Kane Nope, Rice can't do it on his own. Foden--------Bellingham---------Palmer/Saka* ----------Rice--------Mainoo---------------- *On current form, I'd play Palmer over Saka but Southgate won't.
He wouldn’t be on his own. Bellingham gets stuck in.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 20:32:59 GMT
Nope, Rice can't do it on his own. Foden--------Bellingham---------Palmer/Saka* ----------Rice--------Mainoo---------------- *On current form, I'd play Palmer over Saka but Southgate won't.
He wouldn’t be on his own. Bellingham gets stuck in.
Oh I know but the question is, how much do you lose of Bellingham's attacking prowess by asking him to play in a deeper role?
And I'm far from saying that it's clear cut, I've been going back to on it for the last couple of months.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 15, 2024 20:41:20 GMT
I've come to the conclusion Jude has to play as a proper CM. We're swimming in attacking options and we know Bellingham is a brilliant #8 where he can support Rice and still affect the game. It feels like a sacrifice but it just brings balance.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 15, 2024 20:45:08 GMT
Rice should be on his own in the group games at least with someone like Bellingham who covers ground in support. Against the better sides maybe think again but we are so good in forward areas do we just live by the sword die by the sword. I can’t fucking wait for this tournament
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 15, 2024 20:48:34 GMT
He wouldn’t be on his own. Bellingham gets stuck in. Oh I know but the question is, how much do you lose of Bellingham's attacking prowess by asking him to play in a deeper role? And I'm far from saying that it's clear cut, I've been going back to on it for the last couple of months.
I think you lose a bit but you have a better (imo) player taking up that central role in Foden.
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Post by lordb on Apr 15, 2024 20:48:48 GMT
I've come to the conclusion Jude has to play as a proper CM. We're swimming in attacking options and we know Bellingham is a brilliant #8 where he can support Rice and still affect the game. It feels like a sacrifice but it just brings balance. He's our best player he's not far off being the world's best player he has to play in his best position The rest are the supporting cast It's Palmer or Saka who would be sacrificed
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 15, 2024 20:58:27 GMT
Oh I know but the question is, how much do you lose of Bellingham's attacking prowess by asking him to play in a deeper role? And I'm far from saying that it's clear cut, I've been going back to on it for the last couple of months.
I think you lose a bit but you have a better (imo) player taking up that central role in Foden. Quite possibly. I'd go as far as to suggest that getting this call right, could define our whole competition.
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Post by adri2008 on Apr 15, 2024 21:09:11 GMT
Absolute embarrassment of riches in midfield. Shame we don't have the same quality in defence but our attacking players are ridiculously good at the moment.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 15, 2024 21:36:19 GMT
I've come to the conclusion Jude has to play as a proper CM. We're swimming in attacking options and we know Bellingham is a brilliant #8 where he can support Rice and still affect the game. It feels like a sacrifice but it just brings balance. He's our best player he's not far off being the world's best player he has to play in his best position The rest are the supporting cast It's Palmer or Saka who would be sacrificed Might sound daft but is it even his best position? He’s only played there this one season for Madrid hasn’t he? In every tournament game we’ve gone out of in recent years we’ve been absolutely crying out for someone like him to dominate the ball in the middle in the second half
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 15, 2024 21:50:53 GMT
Absolute embarrassment of riches in midfield. Shame we don't have the same quality in defence but our attacking players are ridiculously good at the moment. This team is crying out for a Jurgen Klopp type manager
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Post by cheadlepotter on Apr 15, 2024 21:57:16 GMT
So then Cole Palmer 4222? Rice Bellingham Palmer Foden Saka Kane Bob Hope of us going with a formation we haven't used. Southgate will go for Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Shaw Rice Henderson/Phillips Saka Bellingham Rashford Kane
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 15, 2024 22:04:45 GMT
So then Cole Palmer 4222? Rice Bellingham Palmer Foden Saka Kane Bob Hope of us going with a formation we haven't used. Southgate will go for Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Shaw Rice Henderson/Phillips Saka Bellingham Rashford Kane If he doesn’t start Foden I will gladly support Scotland.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Apr 15, 2024 22:22:58 GMT
Bob Hope of us going with a formation we haven't used. Southgate will go for Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Shaw Rice Henderson/Phillips Saka Bellingham Rashford Kane If he doesn’t start Foden I will gladly support Scotland. Wouldn't go that far but I agree Foden has to play.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 16, 2024 5:55:04 GMT
Bob Hope of us going with a formation we haven't used. Southgate will go for Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Shaw Rice Henderson/Phillips Saka Bellingham Rashford Kane If he doesn’t start Foden I will gladly support Scotland. Will you support Scotland if he does something stupid like starting one of the world's best strikers?
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Post by northernstokie on Apr 16, 2024 6:06:09 GMT
So then Cole Palmer 4222? Rice Bellingham Palmer Foden Saka Kane Bob Hope of us going with a formation we haven't used. Southgate will go for Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Shaw Rice Henderson/Phillips Saka Bellingham Rashford Kane If he picks that team then he needs sacking on the spot.
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Post by lordb on Apr 16, 2024 7:48:25 GMT
So then Cole Palmer 4222? Rice Bellingham Palmer Foden Saka Kane Bob Hope of us going with a formation we haven't used. Southgate will go for Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Shaw Rice Henderson/Phillips Saka Bellingham Rashford Kane Phillips definitely won't make the squad and don't think Henderson will either He'll play Gallagher though Maguire only plays if Guehi is out (would play Stones and Konsa if no Guehi) Rashford is 50/50 to make the squad imo, he'll play Foden
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Post by noustie on Apr 16, 2024 8:12:13 GMT
Bob Hope of us going with a formation we haven't used. Southgate will go for Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Shaw Rice Henderson/Phillips Saka Bellingham Rashford Kane If he doesn’t start Foden I will gladly support Scotland. Welcome aboard Bayern - always been a massive fan of your posting. Interested in your thoughts on who we're playing up top - Lyndon Dykes or Che Adams mate?
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 16, 2024 8:16:28 GMT
All the talk about whether we start with Phil or Palmer etc. Remember, to go deep into a tournament, every player can play a part. Obviously every team in the competition can cause us problems but if our squad is as good as we all keep saying it is we can be flexible.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 16, 2024 8:21:51 GMT
If he doesn’t start Foden I will gladly support Scotland. Welcome aboard Bayern - always been a massive fan of your posting. Interested in your thoughts on who we're playing up top - Lyndon Dykes or Che Adams mate? Must be a tough choice between an Englishman and an Aussie. I’m guessing the Aussie is hated less?😉
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Post by werrington on Apr 16, 2024 8:40:06 GMT
Bob Hope of us going with a formation we haven't used. Southgate will go for Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Shaw Rice Henderson/Phillips Saka Bellingham Rashford Kane If he doesn’t start Foden I will gladly support Scotland. A new low amongst many many lows on here Thats spoilt child behaviour who can’t get his own way
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 16, 2024 8:52:19 GMT
All the talk about whether we start with Phil or Palmer etc. Remember, to go deep into a tournament, every player can play a part. Obviously every team in the competition can cause us problems but if our squad is as good as we all keep saying it is we can be flexible. Yep. There's no point going full Sven and trying to fit everyone in. You can interchange the front positions between a choice of an excellent 9/10 players. Whatever he starts with first game, doesn't necessarily mean it's his first, preferred choice. I think he might go with Rice and Mainoo as a deeper two and then build on that. I think Bellingham's ridiculous return for Real means we'll see him play in one of the advanced positions.
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Post by noustie on Apr 16, 2024 10:35:23 GMT
Absolute embarrassment of riches in midfield. Shame we don't have the same quality in defence but our attacking players are ridiculously good at the moment. This team is crying out for a Jurgen Klopp type manager More a question out of interest really - if you win would you care? As a neutral(ish), I can only really see you or France winning this although the Germans at home can't be written off. It would be a shame for a team with that amount of talent to play with the handbrake on for the viewing public but as a fan would winning it boring like Greece matter? It'd be interesting because personally I don't think England were that great in Euro 96 or Italia 90 but the tournaments seem to be remembered fondly both by fans and the media. Both of those seem, might be wrong, held in higher regard than 2018 and 2022 whereas 2018 seems a lot like 1990 and 2022 is probably the best I've seen an England team play. Couldn't stand the tactics of the Covid Euros - Kane to get to a certain area of the pitch and then fall over was boring as fuck to watch.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 16, 2024 11:20:16 GMT
I also think Palmer is playing better and currently better than Saka, so although I expect Saka to start, Southgate would be nuts not to consider Palmer as an excellent alternative.
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Post by rowleyscfc on Apr 16, 2024 11:23:27 GMT
Only Southgate would have the top scorer in the prem and Bundesliga and only start one of them
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