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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 11, 2022 19:59:50 GMT
Oh God, it's Eddie Butler...time to change channel. Ahhh come on, he's the epitome of impartiality.
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Mar 11, 2022 20:45:57 GMT
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Post by noustie on Mar 11, 2022 20:45:57 GMT
Wales are about an inch and a half from the French defending lineouts then haven't chucked a straight one in themselves on attacking ones.
Jonathan Davies is a knob.
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Mar 11, 2022 21:34:22 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Mar 11, 2022 21:34:22 GMT
What a great game
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Post by thevoid on Mar 11, 2022 21:56:14 GMT
Not a fan of Wales but Slammed is a great watch if you can catch it on the Beeb. Three part documentary about Wales bouncing back from being whipping boys in the 90s to being....well, on a par with Argentina 🙂
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Post by franklin on Mar 12, 2022 17:10:22 GMT
That is not a red card this rule is ridiculous.
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Mar 12, 2022 17:18:30 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 12, 2022 17:18:30 GMT
That is not a red card this rule is ridiculous. It is a red card, just a shame it's probably ruined the game as a contest, but players need to learn that you can't smash into someone's head, even if unintentional.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 12, 2022 17:23:07 GMT
That is not a red card this rule is ridiculous. It is a red card, just a shame it's probably ruined the game as a contest, but players need to learn that you can't smash into someone's head, even if unintentional. Maybe so but it's a ridiculous rule and there was no malice meant. I'd be surprised if it was reversed and it was the Irish man tacking he'd have given a red. Let's see if there's consistency. One things for sure it's ruined the game.
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Post by franklin on Mar 12, 2022 17:28:51 GMT
It is a red card, just a shame it's probably ruined the game as a contest, but players need to learn that you can't smash into someone's head, even if unintentional. Maybe so but it's a ridiculous rule and there was no malice meant. I'd be surprised if it was reversed and it was the Irish man tacking he'd have given a red. Let's see if there's consistency. One things for sure it's ruined the game. Exactly mate he didn't "lead" with his head two big units collided and bumped heads.
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Post by franklin on Mar 12, 2022 17:29:53 GMT
That is not a red card this rule is ridiculous. It is a red card, just a shame it's probably ruined the game as a contest, but players need to learn that you can't smash into someone's head, even if unintentional. He didn't smash into his head two players bumped heads there's a difference.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 12, 2022 17:32:32 GMT
Maybe so but it's a ridiculous rule and there was no malice meant. I'd be surprised if it was reversed and it was the Irish man tacking he'd have given a red. Let's see if there's consistency. One things for sure it's ruined the game. Exactly mate he didn't "lead" with his head two big units collided and bumped heads. Yep and a French Refereeing team who no doubt were looking for any excuse. I'm watching the footy now as it's killed it for me. Whatever sport it is they've taken things way to far now. It'll be touch rugby soon. People will always get injured let's just penalise deliberate fouls and not accidental/clumsy fouls.
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Mar 12, 2022 17:40:07 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 12, 2022 17:40:07 GMT
The point is to protect the players, so you are supposed to tackle lower so that any risk to the head of the player being tackled is minimised.
Whether he meant it or not is irrelevant. If he'd bent and tackled low, the Irish player would not have received a blow to the head from a head or arm, that's the point of the rule.
Players will have to learn and adapt, or risk exactly this scenario.
Shame, as it's spoiled the game, although I suspect Ireland would've won anyway, they're loads better as an attacking side.
(As Clive Woodward has just said!)
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 12, 2022 17:59:47 GMT
The point is to protect the players, so you are supposed to tackle lower so that any risk to the head of the player being tackled is minimised. Whether he meant it or not is irrelevant. If he'd bent and tackled low, the Irish player would not have received a blow to the head from a head or arm, that's the point of the rule. Players will have to learn and adapt, or risk exactly this scenario. Shame, as it's spoiled the game, although I suspect Ireland would've won anyway, they're loads better as an attacking side. (As Clive Woodward has just said!) So what if the runner with the ball keeps as high as he can and runs deliberately at the tackler who cant avoid him as he doesnt have time to adjust as he's only 5 feet away. Sending off ? If the rules stay like this players will be looking to initiate reds.
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Mar 12, 2022 18:04:58 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 12, 2022 18:04:58 GMT
The point is to protect the players, so you are supposed to tackle lower so that any risk to the head of the player being tackled is minimised. Whether he meant it or not is irrelevant. If he'd bent and tackled low, the Irish player would not have received a blow to the head from a head or arm, that's the point of the rule. Players will have to learn and adapt, or risk exactly this scenario. Shame, as it's spoiled the game, although I suspect Ireland would've won anyway, they're loads better as an attacking side. (As Clive Woodward has just said!) So what if the runner with the ball keeps as high as he can and runs deliberately at the tackler who cant avoid him as he doesnt have time to adjust as he's only 5 feet away. Sending off ? If the rules stay like this players will be looking to initiate reds. That's what players with the ball do at the moment, and the tackler should bend to tackle him. Woodward said precisely what I wrote: you tackle low. I understand you're pissed off at an England player being dismissed so early on, but all players will have to learn and adapt. It's all about protecting players from exactly such an injury to the head as occurred here.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 12, 2022 18:08:39 GMT
So what if the runner with the ball keeps as high as he can and runs deliberately at the tackler who cant avoid him as he doesnt have time to adjust as he's only 5 feet away. Sending off ? If the rules stay like this players will be looking to initiate reds. That's what players with the ball do at the moment, and the tackler should bend to tackle him. Woodward said precisely what I wrote: you tackle low. I understand you're pissed off at an England player being dismissed so early on, but all players will have to learn and adapt. It's all about protecting players from exactly such an injury to the head as occurred here. Fair enough as long as they're consistant.
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Mar 12, 2022 18:12:32 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 12, 2022 18:12:32 GMT
That's what players with the ball do at the moment, and the tackler should bend to tackle him. Woodward said precisely what I wrote: you tackle low. I understand you're pissed off at an England player being dismissed so early on, but all players will have to learn and adapt. It's all about protecting players from exactly such an injury to the head as occurred here. Fair enough as long as they're consistant. I was wrong about it ruining the game as a contest, if anything it's made it more dramatic and exciting!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 12, 2022 18:14:06 GMT
Fair enough as long as they're consistant. I was wrong about it ruining the game as a contest, if anything it's made it more dramatic and exciting! Good to see us fighting Smith is a special talent.
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Mar 12, 2022 18:29:19 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 12, 2022 18:29:19 GMT
Not surprisingly ran out of gas and numbers at the end.
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Mar 12, 2022 18:34:31 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 12, 2022 18:34:31 GMT
Great effort from England, probably their best performance despite the score.
Ran out of steam in the end but a big effort and some positive signs from what hasn’t been a great tournament.
Is this the start of the run up to the World Cup now?
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Mar 12, 2022 18:41:12 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 12, 2022 18:41:12 GMT
Great effort from England, probably their best performance despite the score. Ran out of steam in the end but a big effort and some positive signs from what hasn’t been a great tournament. Is this the start of the run up to the World Cup now? I presume there's another six nations ahead of the WC in 2023 in the Autumn in France.
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Mar 12, 2022 18:46:28 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 12, 2022 18:46:28 GMT
Great effort from England, probably their best performance despite the score. Ran out of steam in the end but a big effort and some positive signs from what hasn’t been a great tournament. Is this the start of the run up to the World Cup now? I presume there's another six nations ahead of the WC in 2023 in the Autumn in France. There is, but we normally get going about 18 months before, 6 nations grand slam and fly into the World Cup. The last 18 months has been a transition again but I think he’s found the team by and large and there. We normally need a game that’s a turning point to turn us into a well oiled machine and I think it’s this one.
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Mar 12, 2022 18:53:02 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 12, 2022 18:53:02 GMT
I presume there's another six nations ahead of the WC in 2023 in the Autumn in France. There is, but we normally get going about 18 months before, 6 nations grand slam and fly into the World Cup. The last 18 months has been a transition again but I think he’s found the team by and large and there. We normally need a game that’s a turning point to turn us into a well oiled machine and I think it’s this one. (Clive Woodward just said this should be a turning point now for this team, running into the world cup next year, he gets my point)
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 13, 2022 8:12:22 GMT
I think Woodward is a bit over optimistic sometimes when talking about England.
We lost to Scotland, just got past a poor Welsh team, lost to Ireland (good effort though) and will probably get beaten in France.
Last year we finished fifth, this year probably fourth.
It's going to be some improvement over the next 18 months if we're going to anywhere near competitive in the WC. At the moment, NZ, France and Ireland are comfortably ahead.
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Mar 13, 2022 8:45:27 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 13, 2022 8:45:27 GMT
I think Woodward is a bit over optimistic sometimes when talking about England. We lost to Scotland, just got past a poor Welsh team, lost to Ireland (good effort though) and will probably get beaten in France. Last year we finished fifth, this year probably fourth. It's going to be some improvement over the next 18 months if we're going to anywhere near competitive in the WC. At the moment, NZ, France and Ireland are comfortably ahead. For me I think we’re the 3rd best team in the 6 nations behind France and Ireland. We were unlucky to lose to Scotland and on a different day would have comfortably beaten them. A bit like with our cricket team it feels like a time of transition. Also like our cricket team it feels like we never seem to be able to field our strongest team because of injuries. I think we’ll do well in the WC though we need to be less predictable.
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Post by deeside2 on Mar 13, 2022 9:42:55 GMT
I think England are still some way off being genuine contenders at next year's World Cup. We seem to have gone backwards since the last World Cup and the current team/squad just doesn't fill me with much hope, enthusiasm, or excitement to be honest. Eddie seems to have lost his way and IMO we're just an above average team lacking any flair or ability to chsnge a game, it's all fairly dour.
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Mar 13, 2022 10:21:49 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 13, 2022 10:21:49 GMT
I think England are still some way off being genuine contenders at next year's World Cup. We seem to have gone backwards since the last World Cup and the current team/squad just doesn't fill me with much hope, enthusiasm, or excitement to be honest. Eddie seems to have lost his way and IMO we're just an above average team lacking any flair or ability to chsnge a game, it's all fairly dour. You could almost be talking about Stoke there.
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Post by deeside2 on Mar 13, 2022 11:10:43 GMT
I think England are still some way off being genuine contenders at next year's World Cup. We seem to have gone backwards since the last World Cup and the current team/squad just doesn't fill me with much hope, enthusiasm, or excitement to be honest. Eddie seems to have lost his way and IMO we're just an above average team lacking any flair or ability to chsnge a game, it's all fairly dour. You could almost be talking about Stoke there. I know, I was going to mention the similarity in my original post but thought the England situation isn't quite as depressing, although there's not much difference.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 13, 2022 11:40:18 GMT
I think England are still some way off being genuine contenders at next year's World Cup. We seem to have gone backwards since the last World Cup and the current team/squad just doesn't fill me with much hope, enthusiasm, or excitement to be honest. Eddie seems to have lost his way and IMO we're just an above average team lacking any flair or ability to chsnge a game, it's all fairly dour. I agree. I think it'll have to be some transformation in the next 18 months to get anywhere near the deep end of the WC next year. That said, we have quite a comfy draw until the semi-finals, avoiding SA and NZ until then at the earliest, (assuming group results go as expected). I must admit I don't really see much success under Jones and with the players we have - they do seem very unimaginative with the ball. Almost every other side in the Six Nations (Italy excepted) has a better attack than we do. Our tries for and against stat is quite revealing in that regard. This link is a fairly damning indictment of our system in England. We have loads more players and especially teen males than any other country, yet that doesn't translate into anything like the regular success that it should do really. The contrast between numbers of teen males who then go on to be registered players is quite stark. Several other countries have more registered players. Somewhere between those two points something isn't working. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rugby_union_playing_countries#:~:text=In%202016%2C%20the%20total%20number,most%20players%20overall%20with%202%2C139%2C604.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 13, 2022 16:35:58 GMT
Eddie's last World Cup hopefully. It needs freshening up.
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Mar 19, 2022 16:05:40 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 19, 2022 16:05:40 GMT
Well done, Italy!
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 19, 2022 16:12:30 GMT
Desperately needed victory and I think deserved. For large spells in this 6 Nations they've been competitive and their youth sides over recent years have been excellent. Hopefully this can be the catalyst for them to get better results.
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