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Post by numpty40 on Feb 11, 2022 21:41:59 GMT
i’m surprised as he came accross as a real people person after the murders by Cregan. I’ll bow to your knowledge on that mate. His response to a internal fed questionnaire on morale when it came back that most were unhappy and felt that they were unvalued and wanted to leave was to get people at HQ in groups and tell them if they were not happy to come to his office and he'd authorise there resignation papers. Rather than ask why and try and change minds and improve his work force he told them to leave!!!! Why would he have to authorise their resignation papers? if they wanted to resign then just resign..
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Post by franklin on Feb 11, 2022 22:00:52 GMT
His response to a internal fed questionnaire on morale when it came back that most were unhappy and felt that they were unvalued and wanted to leave was to get people at HQ in groups and tell them if they were not happy to come to his office and he'd authorise there resignation papers. Rather than ask why and try and change minds and improve his work force he told them to leave!!!! Why would he have to authorise their resignation papers? if they wanted to resign then just resign.. Not authorise as in agreeing to let them go but as in accepting the forms to start the 28 day notice. It's not just dropping a note off at HR it's not as simple you have to return everything and as you can imagine some stuff is dangerous weapons and confidential and is audited.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 11, 2022 22:27:45 GMT
Why would he have to authorise their resignation papers? if they wanted to resign then just resign.. Not authorise as in agreeing to let them go but as in accepting the forms to start the 28 day notice. It's not just dropping a note off at HR it's not as simple you have to return everything and as you can imagine some stuff is dangerous weapons and confidential and is audited. Dissapointing that sounds like one to be crossed off the list then. It’ll be interesting to see who does get the gig. They certainly need a shakeup and a strong person at the helm. The biggest issue with Dick for me was that she came across as being very weak and would bow down to any complaint rather than fight for her colleagues.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 15, 2022 17:28:01 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 15, 2022 17:44:56 GMT
I think there’ll be a stage soon where no one will want to become a police officer anymore because instantly as soon as they hit the streets they’ll be accused of being a racist and pre judged in the same way that those accusing them of themselves being racist are prejudiced against. It’s a pretty sad state of affairs that there’s literally no positive reports ever on the many, many great, hardworking officers who do a bloody good job every day saving peoples lives and catching criminals against the odds. What self respecting person would want to do a job where they’re branded negatively and abused even when they’re performing heroic acts. You’d excuse them for thinking “why bother.” Of course there’s bad apples but how about for once there’s some positive recognition for all those that do great work. www.polfed.org/news/latest-news/2021/national-police-bravery-award-winners-2021/It’s a pretty sad state of affairs when the only reporting these heroic acts are the Police themselves.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 15, 2022 20:08:00 GMT
Or you'll get people applying who aren't racists or corrupt or thugs.
I've probably mentioned this on a policing thread before: I worked with a woman who'd been through Hendon police training college, passed, then decided she didn't want that career.
She was "amazed and terrified" by the number of recruits who were basically illiterate thugs with extremely dodgy views on minorities, women etc. This was early 2000s so hopefully things have improved but it doesn't sound like it judging by Javid's statement. Many of that early 2000s intake will now presumably be in positions of power in the Met so perhaps not surprising he said what he did.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 15, 2022 20:54:48 GMT
Or you'll get people applying who aren't racists or corrupt or thugs. I've probably mentioned this on a policing thread before: I worked with a woman who'd been through Hendon police training college, passed, then decided she didn't want that career. She was "amazed and terrified" by the number of recruits who were basically illiterate thugs with extremely dodgy views on minorities, women etc. This was early 2000s so hopefully things have improved but it doesn't sound like it judging by Javid's statement. Many of that early 2000s intake will now presumably be in positions of power in the Met so perhaps not surprising he said what he did. Maybe you need to tell that to the vast majority that aren’t racist, corrupt, thugs that are already officers. I know several Met officers none of whom have had any issues in training one of who’m is Spanish passed out last year. Maybe things are already changing.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 15, 2022 21:37:13 GMT
Or you'll get people applying who aren't racists or corrupt or thugs. I've probably mentioned this on a policing thread before: I worked with a woman who'd been through Hendon police training college, passed, then decided she didn't want that career. She was "amazed and terrified" by the number of recruits who were basically illiterate thugs with extremely dodgy views on minorities, women etc. This was early 2000s so hopefully things have improved but it doesn't sound like it judging by Javid's statement. Many of that early 2000s intake will now presumably be in positions of power in the Met so perhaps not surprising he said what he did. Maybe you need to tell that to the vast majority that aren’t racist, corrupt, thugs that are already officers. I know several Met officers none of whom have had any issues in training one of who’m is Spanish passed out last year. Maybe things are already changing. A whole group of officers of all ranks thought it was ok to call a colleague “The Rapist” because of his attitude towards women, forgive me if I’m still cynical. It’s not enough to say “I follow the rules” if you’re not calling this shit out you’re absolutely part of the problem……
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 15, 2022 21:39:41 GMT
Or you'll get people applying who aren't racists or corrupt or thugs. I've probably mentioned this on a policing thread before: I worked with a woman who'd been through Hendon police training college, passed, then decided she didn't want that career. She was "amazed and terrified" by the number of recruits who were basically illiterate thugs with extremely dodgy views on minorities, women etc. This was early 2000s so hopefully things have improved but it doesn't sound like it judging by Javid's statement. Many of that early 2000s intake will now presumably be in positions of power in the Met so perhaps not surprising he said what he did. Maybe you need to tell that to the vast majority that aren’t racist, corrupt, thugs that are already officers. I know several Met officers none of whom have had any issues in training one of who’m is Spanish passed out last year. Maybe things are already changing. Maybe things are. Although Javid says the Met has a problem with institutional racism in 2022 and Lord Macpherson said exactly the same thing in his report of the Lawrence inquiry in 1999, 23 years ago. So it doesn't sound like that much has changed, frankly. That's an awful lot of "bad apples" still getting in.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 15, 2022 21:42:56 GMT
Maybe you need to tell that to the vast majority that aren’t racist, corrupt, thugs that are already officers. I know several Met officers none of whom have had any issues in training one of who’m is Spanish passed out last year. Maybe things are already changing. A whole group of officers of all ranks thought it was ok to call a colleague “The Rapist” because of his attitude towards women, forgive me if I’m still cynical. It’s not enough to say “I follow the rules” if you’re not calling this shit out you’re absolutely part of the problem…… I've a feeling this thread is going to take a sharp turn down the racist grandpa route shortly...!
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Post by franklin on Feb 15, 2022 21:44:42 GMT
Maybe you need to tell that to the vast majority that aren’t racist, corrupt, thugs that are already officers. I know several Met officers none of whom have had any issues in training one of who’m is Spanish passed out last year. Maybe things are already changing. A whole group of officers of all ranks thought it was ok to call a colleague “The Rapist” because of his attitude towards women, forgive me if I’m still cynical. It’s not enough to say “I follow the rules” if you’re not calling this shit out you’re absolutely part of the problem…… I have to say a nickname like that I genuinely would have said something 100% regardless of his behaviour the name alone is worrying to warrant further investigation. Its beyond me that it wasn't challenged and dealt with sharpish every officer has a responsibility to challenge and report this kind of incident and I would have challenged him directly AND reported it to the relevant department its outrageous for this to be going on.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 15, 2022 21:45:22 GMT
Maybe you need to tell that to the vast majority that aren’t racist, corrupt, thugs that are already officers. I know several Met officers none of whom have had any issues in training one of who’m is Spanish passed out last year. Maybe things are already changing. A whole group of officers of all ranks thought it was ok to call a colleague “The Rapist” because of his attitude towards women, forgive me if I’m still cynical. It’s not enough to say “I follow the rules” if you’re not calling this shit out you’re absolutely part of the problem…… The old “you’re part of the problem” trope used by left wing wokesters. You’re nothing if not predictable. I’d take Cobhams experienced opinion over your sanctimonious claptrap all day.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 15, 2022 21:59:55 GMT
Maybe you need to tell that to the vast majority that aren’t racist, corrupt, thugs that are already officers. I know several Met officers none of whom have had any issues in training one of who’m is Spanish passed out last year. Maybe things are already changing. Maybe things are. Although Javid says the Met has a problem with institutional racism in 2022 and Lord Macpherson said exactly the same thing in his report of the Lawrence inquiry in 1999, 23 years ago. So it doesn't sound like that much has changed, frankly. That's an awful lot of "bad apples" still getting in. I do have to say though from your process it’ll take at least 50 years before the Met are identified as not being racist, Corrupt, thugs because there’ll always be people who will want to beat them with that stick and name calling regardless of how much they change for the better and they will never change that view. There will always be people who simply don’t like the police for one reason or another. They could be flying around with a red cape and an S on there chest and they’d still want to knock them. I’m not saying that there isn’t corruption and dirty cops of course there are and they need stamping out however I do think the balance and perception is all wrong especially in the media where literally nothing positive is printed about police unless an officer loses there life. Off hand obviously honesty and integrity is vital in making a successful police force. What else do you think is key to making them a good force? Stopping Stop and search?
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Post by franklin on Feb 15, 2022 22:02:58 GMT
Maybe you need to tell that to the vast majority that aren’t racist, corrupt, thugs that are already officers. I know several Met officers none of whom have had any issues in training one of who’m is Spanish passed out last year. Maybe things are already changing. Maybe things are. Although Javid says the Met has a problem with institutional racism in 2022 and Lord Macpherson said exactly the same thing in his report of the Lawrence inquiry in 1999, 23 years ago. So it doesn't sound like that much has changed, frankly. That's an awful lot of "bad apples" still getting in. The Met are a unique service in the UK, just to stand still in numbers they have to recruit massively appropriately 100 a month. It doesn't sound a lot but it's 10 times pretty much every other force. They have a slightly different recruitment criteria and although you have a point with bad apples I'm sure theses idiots don't show their true colours on interview so it's difficult to pick the wrong ones at an early point. But out or 35k or so I'm confident the vast majority are excellent hard working decent cops and people.
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Post by sticky on Feb 15, 2022 22:11:54 GMT
Let’s be honest, it’s a pretty shit job.. command zero respect off the public, and get criticised from the left and right. I’d like some of these do gooders have a go at it. See how they go on when some horrible bastards are attacking them
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 15, 2022 22:12:00 GMT
A whole group of officers of all ranks thought it was ok to call a colleague “The Rapist” because of his attitude towards women, forgive me if I’m still cynical. It’s not enough to say “I follow the rules” if you’re not calling this shit out you’re absolutely part of the problem…… The old “you’re part of the problem” trope used by left wing wokesters. You’re nothing if not predictable. I’d take Cobhams experienced opinion over your sanctimonious claptrap all day. Trope? Left wing? Woke? And I’m predictable, laughable. Those who indulged the person in question should be fucking ashamed of themselves. If you think that’s sanctimonious I couldn’t give two shits…..
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 15, 2022 22:15:41 GMT
The old “you’re part of the problem” trope used by left wing wokesters. You’re nothing if not predictable. I’d take Cobhams experienced opinion over your sanctimonious claptrap all day. Trope? Left wing? Woke? And I’m predictable, laughable. Those who indulged the person in question should be fucking ashamed of themselves. If you think that’s sanctimonious I couldn’t give two shits….. I’m not being obtuse but what do you mean in respect to the second paragraph.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 15, 2022 22:20:40 GMT
Trope? Left wing? Woke? And I’m predictable, laughable. Those who indulged the person in question should be fucking ashamed of themselves. If you think that’s sanctimonious I couldn’t give two shits….. I’m not being obtuse but what do you mean in respect to the second paragraph. What kind of a person works with someone who has clearly demonstrated he has issues particularly with the opposite sex, and laughs and jokes in the locker room about his nickname “The Rapist?” As Franklin rightly says he would call it out, you don’t even have to be a copper to know that’s just not right. But apparently that’s a woke, left wing trope? I give up……
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 15, 2022 22:23:52 GMT
I’m not being obtuse but what do you mean in respect to the second paragraph. What kind of a person works with someone who has clearly demonstrated he has issues particularly with the opposite sex, and laughs and jokes in the locker room about his nickname “The Rapist?” As Franklin rightly says he would call it out, you don’t even have to be a copper to know that’s just not right. But apparently that’s a woke, left wing trope? I give up…… Can’t disagree with that. I guess the argument in my case is around peoples generalisation that it’s a vast number and that the corrupt, racist, thugs are the majority or very high in number which from a personal point of view and when i’ve met officers isn’t the case.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 15, 2022 22:24:08 GMT
The old “you’re part of the problem” trope used by left wing wokesters. You’re nothing if not predictable. I’d take Cobhams experienced opinion over your sanctimonious claptrap all day. Trope? Left wing? Woke? And I’m predictable, laughable. Those who indulged the person in question should be fucking ashamed of themselves. If you think that’s sanctimonious I couldn’t give two shits….. I apologise for my spur of the moment comment, it’s been a bad day!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 15, 2022 22:27:53 GMT
What kind of a person works with someone who has clearly demonstrated he has issues particularly with the opposite sex, and laughs and jokes in the locker room about his nickname “The Rapist?” As Franklin rightly says he would call it out, you don’t even have to be a copper to know that’s just not right. But apparently that’s a woke, left wing trope? I give up…… Can’t disagree with that. I guess the argument in my case is around peoples generalisation that it’s a vast number and that the corrupt, racist, thugs are the majority or very high in number which from a personal point of view and when i’ve met officers isn’t the case. I’m in total agreement that there are many good coppers up and down the land, my point is that there are clearly wrong ‘uns in the force and I firmly believe that the police like other institutions such as the army still have a mentality that looks to sweep problems under the carpet rather than tackle them head on. To use an analogy it’s like the bloke in the pub who shouts out racist bollocks, is it enough to disagree in silence or should it be called out time and time again? Should be the latter always……
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 15, 2022 22:31:29 GMT
Can’t disagree with that. I guess the argument in my case is around peoples generalisation that it’s a vast number and that the corrupt, racist, thugs are the majority or very high in number which from a personal point of view and when i’ve met officers isn’t the case. I’m in total agreement that there are many good coppers up and down the land, my point is that there are clearly wrong ‘uns in the force and I firmly believe that the police like other institutions such as the army still have a mentality that looks to sweep problems under the carpet rather than tackle them head on. To use an analogy it’s like the bloke in the pub who shouts out racist bollocks, is it enough to disagree in silence or should it be called out time and time again? Should be the latter always…… You won’t get an argument from me re that. I just get a bit prickly when it feels like the Police are being generalised as I socialise with a good few and the vast majority men and women are good people who do a great job. To a man / woman they despise the bad eggs.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 16, 2022 8:26:31 GMT
Can’t disagree with that. I guess the argument in my case is around peoples generalisation that it’s a vast number and that the corrupt, racist, thugs are the majority or very high in number which from a personal point of view and when i’ve met officers isn’t the case. I’m in total agreement that there are many good coppers up and down the land, my point is that there are clearly wrong ‘uns in the force and I firmly believe that the police like other institutions such as the army still have a mentality that looks to sweep problems under the carpet rather than tackle them head on. To use an analogy it’s like the bloke in the pub who shouts out racist bollocks, is it enough to disagree in silence or should it be called out time and time again? Should be the latter always…… Why does this happen in the police but not, I’m quite sure, in most other work places. I suspect it’s a consequence of the extraordinary work environment police work in. A combination of possessing significant personal power (no one else can arrest someone), exposure to danger in the form of personal attack (other professions have this but not to the same degree), being the subject of daily non physical abuse (insults get reigned down on them), a feeling of inadequacy in that crime continues and despite their best efforts their work gets crushed beneath casework, bureaucracy and a legal system that they feel works against them. None of the above is of course new. But it has produced a deeply embedded introverted culture where looking after your own sits at the top of all behavioural norms and trumps most everything else. That esprit de corps is at the heart of policing. How it can be modified to remove the worst consequences while retaining its good aspects is tricky and well beyond my capabilities. Maybe a start might simply be to acknowledge the situation.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Feb 16, 2022 8:36:02 GMT
I’m in total agreement that there are many good coppers up and down the land, my point is that there are clearly wrong ‘uns in the force and I firmly believe that the police like other institutions such as the army still have a mentality that looks to sweep problems under the carpet rather than tackle them head on. To use an analogy it’s like the bloke in the pub who shouts out racist bollocks, is it enough to disagree in silence or should it be called out time and time again? Should be the latter always…… Why does this happen in the police but not, I’m quite sure, in most other work places. I suspect it’s a consequence of the extraordinary work environment police work in. A combination of possessing significant personal power (no one else can arrest someone), exposure to danger in the form of personal attack (other professions have this but not to the same degree), being the subject of daily non physical abuse (insults get reigned down on them), a feeling of inadequacy in that crime continues and despite their best efforts their work gets crushed beneath casework, bureaucracy and a legal system that they feel works against them. None of the above is of course new. But it has produced a deeply embedded introverted culture where looking after your own sits at the top of all behavioural norms and trumps most everything else. That esprit de corps is at the heart of policing. How it can be modified to remove the worst consequences while retaining its good aspects is tricky and well beyond my capabilities. Maybe a start might simply be to acknowledge the situation. I quite enjoyed my experience as Met constable, straight from school through the cadet system, Hendon then Notting Hill. Unfortunately it came to an abrupt end in the mid eighties after being stabbed at 3am by a black guy off his face on drugs and alcohol who didn't want to be arrested. Piece of cake job more people ought to try it.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 16, 2022 9:06:34 GMT
Why does this happen in the police but not, I’m quite sure, in most other work places. I suspect it’s a consequence of the extraordinary work environment police work in. A combination of possessing significant personal power (no one else can arrest someone), exposure to danger in the form of personal attack (other professions have this but not to the same degree), being the subject of daily non physical abuse (insults get reigned down on them), a feeling of inadequacy in that crime continues and despite their best efforts their work gets crushed beneath casework, bureaucracy and a legal system that they feel works against them. None of the above is of course new. But it has produced a deeply embedded introverted culture where looking after your own sits at the top of all behavioural norms and trumps most everything else. That esprit de corps is at the heart of policing. How it can be modified to remove the worst consequences while retaining its good aspects is tricky and well beyond my capabilities. Maybe a start might simply be to acknowledge the situation. I quite enjoyed my experience as Met constable, straight from school through the cadet system, Hendon then Notting Hill. Unfortunately it came to an abrupt end in the mid eighties after being stabbed at 3am by a black guy off his face on drugs and alcohol who didn't want to be arrested. Piece of cake job more people ought to try it. I doubt there’s a job like it. And one that is not really possible to appreciate without actually having done it.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 16, 2022 9:50:22 GMT
Why does this happen in the police but not, I’m quite sure, in most other work places. I suspect it’s a consequence of the extraordinary work environment police work in. A combination of possessing significant personal power (no one else can arrest someone), exposure to danger in the form of personal attack (other professions have this but not to the same degree), being the subject of daily non physical abuse (insults get reigned down on them), a feeling of inadequacy in that crime continues and despite their best efforts their work gets crushed beneath casework, bureaucracy and a legal system that they feel works against them. None of the above is of course new. But it has produced a deeply embedded introverted culture where looking after your own sits at the top of all behavioural norms and trumps most everything else. That esprit de corps is at the heart of policing. How it can be modified to remove the worst consequences while retaining its good aspects is tricky and well beyond my capabilities. Maybe a start might simply be to acknowledge the situation. I quite enjoyed my experience as Met constable, straight from school through the cadet system, Hendon then Notting Hill. Unfortunately it came to an abrupt end in the mid eighties after being stabbed at 3am by a black guy off his face on drugs and alcohol who didn't want to be arrested. Piece of cake job more people ought to try it. And i’m sure you got no support or condoning of the attacker from the press for what must have been a horrific experience and one that will never leave you. The police role is way too normalised when it’s far from normal. Hope you moved on from what happened mate.
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Post by franklin on Feb 16, 2022 10:10:38 GMT
Can’t disagree with that. I guess the argument in my case is around peoples generalisation that it’s a vast number and that the corrupt, racist, thugs are the majority or very high in number which from a personal point of view and when i’ve met officers isn’t the case. I’m in total agreement that there are many good coppers up and down the land, my point is that there are clearly wrong ‘uns in the force and I firmly believe that the police like other institutions such as the army still have a mentality that looks to sweep problems under the carpet rather than tackle them head on. To use an analogy it’s like the bloke in the pub who shouts out racist bollocks, is it enough to disagree in silence or should it be called out time and time again? Should be the latter always…… I'm not sure sweeping things under the carpet is correct, google Met Police (or any force you like) misconduct hearings/ meetings and you will find published cases of misconduct and the sanctions imposed, in fact you can attend these hearings and watch for yourself. What you do have though is damage limitations for high profile cases which any business/company would do as distasteful as that may be. I'm sure the RSUH are devastated by the arrest of a Dr for abusing patients however he was suspended and then allowed to carry on committing further offences. Now if that were a police officer the cries of cover-up and white wash and corruption would be wall to wall but because its the NHS no such outrage. My second point is that there is a general thought that the "Police" are institutionally racist unfortunately that tarnishes every cop in the land and that imo is completely wrong. Are the same accusations aimed at the NHS in similar circumstances the answer is no, albeit there has just been accusations of racism in the NHS published in the last few days. Has there been the same outrage at NHS bosses and persistent calls for resignations and sackings as there is with the Police service? Are all Dr's sex pests and offenders, are NHS staff tarnished in the same way as a cop would, they knew about the Dr and were unable to stop him from working the same thing happens in the police evidence is required to suspend or sanction an officer and sometimes that takes time.
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Post by franklin on Feb 16, 2022 10:25:58 GMT
I’m in total agreement that there are many good coppers up and down the land, my point is that there are clearly wrong ‘uns in the force and I firmly believe that the police like other institutions such as the army still have a mentality that looks to sweep problems under the carpet rather than tackle them head on. To use an analogy it’s like the bloke in the pub who shouts out racist bollocks, is it enough to disagree in silence or should it be called out time and time again? Should be the latter always…… Why does this happen in the police but not, I’m quite sure, in most other work places. I suspect it’s a consequence of the extraordinary work environment police work in. A combination of possessing significant personal power (no one else can arrest someone), exposure to danger in the form of personal attack (other professions have this but not to the same degree), being the subject of daily non physical abuse (insults get reigned down on them), a feeling of inadequacy in that crime continues and despite their best efforts their work gets crushed beneath casework, bureaucracy and a legal system that they feel works against them. None of the above is of course new. But it has produced a deeply embedded introverted culture where looking after your own sits at the top of all behavioural norms and trumps most everything else. That esprit de corps is at the heart of policing. How it can be modified to remove the worst consequences while retaining its good aspects is tricky and well beyond my capabilities. Maybe a start might simply be to acknowledge the situation. While I agree with all of that just a quick point of order any person can make a citizens arrest its completely lawful but you do need to satisfy a couple of "legal" points so as to not fall foul of the law yourself. Many people do get arrested by members of the public every year and if you witness a crime being committed or about to be committed you can arrest the suspect.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 16, 2022 10:36:16 GMT
Why does this happen in the police but not, I’m quite sure, in most other work places. I suspect it’s a consequence of the extraordinary work environment police work in. A combination of possessing significant personal power (no one else can arrest someone), exposure to danger in the form of personal attack (other professions have this but not to the same degree), being the subject of daily non physical abuse (insults get reigned down on them), a feeling of inadequacy in that crime continues and despite their best efforts their work gets crushed beneath casework, bureaucracy and a legal system that they feel works against them. None of the above is of course new. But it has produced a deeply embedded introverted culture where looking after your own sits at the top of all behavioural norms and trumps most everything else. That esprit de corps is at the heart of policing. How it can be modified to remove the worst consequences while retaining its good aspects is tricky and well beyond my capabilities. Maybe a start might simply be to acknowledge the situation. I quite enjoyed my experience as Met constable, straight from school through the cadet system, Hendon then Notting Hill. Unfortunately it came to an abrupt end in the mid eighties after being stabbed at 3am by a black guy off his face on drugs and alcohol who didn't want to be arrested. Piece of cake job more people ought to try it. I totally sympathise, I had a schizophrenic homeless man wielding a knife at me at 1am a couple of years back, there but for the grace of God and all that he didn’t use it. I was walking the streets of Manchester at the time as an unpaid volunteer for a homeless charity. I fully recognise the dangers of police work, but don’t see the need for that to manifest itself into racism/misogyny whether it be institutional or otherwise as reports have/are suggesting………
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 16, 2022 17:02:36 GMT
I quite enjoyed my experience as Met constable, straight from school through the cadet system, Hendon then Notting Hill. Unfortunately it came to an abrupt end in the mid eighties after being stabbed at 3am by a black guy off his face on drugs and alcohol who didn't want to be arrested. Piece of cake job more people ought to try it. I totally sympathise, I had a schizophrenic homeless man wielding a knife at me at 1am a couple of years back, there but for the grace of God and all that he didn’t use it. I was walking the streets of Manchester at the time as an unpaid volunteer for a homeless charity. I fully recognise the dangers of police work, but don’t see the need for that to manifest itself into racism/misogyny whether it be institutional or otherwise as reports have/are suggesting……… I certainly don’t think anyone on here’s saying it should be an excuse to be racist or become a thug. The bigger issue is how people prejudge police as being racist, thugs or low life’s just because a small number are and have let down the majority by their conduct. Can you imagine if a comment was directed towards a black person in respect to them all being knife wielding gang members just because a very small percentage are. Quite rightly the person making the comment would be challenged and quite rightly the person that the comments were directed at would be upset. Though the target of the predjudice is different why should a Police Officer not be offended / upset because he’s being openly branded as racist, a bully or whatever other name he’s chosen to be called. Particularly if he’s finished a night shift where he’s been spat at, abused, assaulted whilst trying to catch criminals, save someone’s life or deal with extreme trauma. As Franklin says this sort of judgement only seems to be saved for the Police and not other occupations where the exact same issues occur.
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