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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 2, 2022 4:25:32 GMT
Another day, another group of absolute wrong ‘uns are outed in the Met police force…..
How the hell is this clown still in a job? Answer: She’s an establishment stooge.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 2, 2022 6:34:45 GMT
She has to go as she’s overseen without doubt the worst period in the Met if not policing history. She’s so weak and a laughing stock. They need a stronger leader who’s prepared to make sweeping changes as these sort of stories whether they’re a minority of officers are way to common. What ever happens at the vetting stage I have no idea.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 2, 2022 15:36:42 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Feb 2, 2022 20:14:22 GMT
She has to go as she’s overseen without doubt the worst period in the Met if not policing history. She’s so weak and a laughing stock. They need a stronger leader who’s prepared to make sweeping changes as these sort of stories whether they’re a minority of officers are way to common. What ever happens at the vetting stage I have no idea. You still trotting out the old 'minority of bad apples' line? Totally agree. She needs to go. Utter villain.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 2, 2022 20:26:08 GMT
She has to go as she’s overseen without doubt the worst period in the Met if not policing history. She’s so weak and a laughing stock. They need a stronger leader who’s prepared to make sweeping changes as these sort of stories whether they’re a minority of officers are way to common. What ever happens at the vetting stage I have no idea. You still trotting out the old 'minority of bad apples' line? Totally agree. She needs to go. Utter villain. well we agree on that. Let’s leave it at that heh
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 2, 2022 22:20:49 GMT
The problem is that most (not all of course) of these high profile cases are Met Police based. Whilst by their very numbers and size they will attract a higher number of dodgy cops and wrongdoing, the impact this has on UK policing can’t be under estimated whereby everyone assumes all the police are the same because they’ve seen the news with the Met all over it. Chief Constables of non Met forces must be tearing their hair out as whatever inroads they make into public confidence are quickly eradicated by the next news story coming out of the Met.
Is the Met too big and powerful to change its culture? Does it need to be broken up in some way whilst maintaining specialist commands such as Counter Terrorism for example? The Met will do their own thing because of their size and power which is not always in line with NPCC or College of Policing professional practice, or they will have so much influence they direct the rest of the country what to do.
I don’t know what the answer is, but they seem incapable of having any control over some of their officers and this will inevitably invite closer Government scrutiny and intervention which will consequently be forced upon non Met forces through no fault of their own. Be interesting to see how it pans out and how much more will be tolerated.
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Post by franklin on Feb 2, 2022 22:35:48 GMT
One of the Met cops sacked was from Stoke.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 2, 2022 22:44:02 GMT
The problem is that most (not all of course) of these high profile cases are Met Police based. Whilst by their very numbers and size they will attract a higher number of dodgy cops and wrongdoing, the impact this has on UK policing can’t be under estimated whereby everyone assumes all the police are the same because they’ve seen the news with the Met all over it. Chief Constables of non Met forces must be tearing their hair out as whatever inroads they make into public confidence are quickly eradicated by the next news story coming out of the Met. Is the Met too big and powerful to change its culture? Does it need to be broken up in some way whilst maintaining specialist commands such as Counter Terrorism for example? The Met will do their own thing because of their size and power which is not always in line with NPCC or College of Policing professional practice, or they will have so much influence they direct the rest of the country what to do. I don’t know what the answer is, but they seem incapable of having any control over some of their officers and this will inevitably invite closer Government scrutiny and intervention which will consequently be forced upon non Met forces through no fault of their own. Be interesting to see how it pans out and how much more will be tolerated. spot on. They’re too big. They have to be regionalised. Maybe split into Boroughs.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Feb 2, 2022 23:08:53 GMT
Met police has been dodgy as fuck fitting people up, paying informants etc since the 60's.
It won't change now and really needs starting again from scratch.
Dick needs to go come what may. Totally out of her depth. Just one of the recent scandals would see off most people, I lose count how many she's overseen..
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Feb 4, 2022 0:51:57 GMT
The problem is that most (not all of course) of these high profile cases are Met Police based. Whilst by their very numbers and size they will attract a higher number of dodgy cops and wrongdoing, the impact this has on UK policing can’t be under estimated whereby everyone assumes all the police are the same because they’ve seen the news with the Met all over it. Chief Constables of non Met forces must be tearing their hair out as whatever inroads they make into public confidence are quickly eradicated by the next news story coming out of the Met. Is the Met too big and powerful to change its culture? Does it need to be broken up in some way whilst maintaining specialist commands such as Counter Terrorism for example? The Met will do their own thing because of their size and power which is not always in line with NPCC or College of Policing professional practice, or they will have so much influence they direct the rest of the country what to do. I don’t know what the answer is, but they seem incapable of having any control over some of their officers and this will inevitably invite closer Government scrutiny and intervention which will consequently be forced upon non Met forces through no fault of their own. Be interesting to see how it pans out and how much more will be tolerated. What a load of shite. Attract,. ?? Surely the recruitment process wouldn't allow this corruption,. ?
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Post by callas12 on Feb 4, 2022 1:07:02 GMT
Met police has been dodgy as fuck fitting people up, paying informants etc since the 60's. It won't change now and really needs starting again from scratch. Dick needs to go come what may. Totally out of her depth. Just one of the recent scandals would see off most people, I lose count how many she's overseen.. Her involvement in heading the operation concerning the Jean Charles de Menezes incident would of seen most officers off nevermind them going on to continue climbing the ranks before eventually getting the top job! Rewarded for failure 🤔🙄.. Definitely a case of who you know not what you know!
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Post by callas12 on Feb 4, 2022 1:28:10 GMT
Only discovered yesterday that Health Secretary Sajid Javids brother Bas Javid who is a Deputy Assistant Commissioner of the Met was responsible for Policing the Capitals Covid response and as the 2nd highest ranking officer in the department would of had an over view of the Policing operations at Downing Street. Interesting that the Met weren't initially investigating any wrong doing at Downing Street over the Covid restriction period 🤔!
& the Met have been quick to dismiss rumours that Bas Javid was actually leading the investigations into the growing dossier of parties that the Met have now been pressurised into investigating!
What chance have the rest of the force got when the leaders are shrouded in controversy & incompetence themselves
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 4, 2022 8:38:53 GMT
The problem is that most (not all of course) of these high profile cases are Met Police based. Whilst by their very numbers and size they will attract a higher number of dodgy cops and wrongdoing, the impact this has on UK policing can’t be under estimated whereby everyone assumes all the police are the same because they’ve seen the news with the Met all over it. Chief Constables of non Met forces must be tearing their hair out as whatever inroads they make into public confidence are quickly eradicated by the next news story coming out of the Met. Is the Met too big and powerful to change its culture? Does it need to be broken up in some way whilst maintaining specialist commands such as Counter Terrorism for example? The Met will do their own thing because of their size and power which is not always in line with NPCC or College of Policing professional practice, or they will have so much influence they direct the rest of the country what to do. I don’t know what the answer is, but they seem incapable of having any control over some of their officers and this will inevitably invite closer Government scrutiny and intervention which will consequently be forced upon non Met forces through no fault of their own. Be interesting to see how it pans out and how much more will be tolerated. What a load of shite. Attract,. ?? Surely the recruitment process wouldn't allow this corruption,. ? Ah, what a reasoned and thought out response starting with an expletive. It switches people off from what you have to say and gives the impression you aren’t able to debate in a reasoned and ordered way. This means even if you did have a sound point, it wouldn’t be considered due to your demeanour. Try to make a comment in a polite or courteous way, you may find a different response. Anyway, not withstanding your manner, recruitment processes in most jobs(not just the police) don’t allow for identification for this behaviour, unless you think they ask these questions in the process and take the applicant’s word for it. This behaviour is hidden and manifests itself later, or becomes learned from others. I’ve worked in jobs where this type of behaviour was exhibited and it wasn’t a policing job, so it presents itself across a variety of professions and society. Even the most sophisticated of application processes that may require psychometric testing or behavioural analysis will struggle to identify this behaviour. On the flip side, does it suggest that the processes do work if the majority of officers who were recruited don’t engage in this behaviour? It can’t be both ways. The point here of course is that it is particularly unpalatable as the role of policing requires them to enforce and uphold the very laws that they may be breaching by their behaviour. Whilst it arguably makes sense to prevent this behaviour in the first place by not recruiting these individuals, for the aforementioned reasons recruitment process are not sophisticated enough, though I imagine the ones for the police are far more thorough than many others for obvious reasons. The key to this is the culture and leadership to challenge and deal with the behaviour immediately as it happens. This is where the work lies to remove the officers and create a hostile environment where if they did have these traits they wouldn’t dare exhibit them for fear of action being taken against them. Eventually the culture becomes embedded positively. The big question for me is why this is so prevalent in the Met.
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Post by franklin on Feb 4, 2022 9:25:08 GMT
What a load of shite. Attract,. ?? Surely the recruitment process wouldn't allow this corruption,. ? Ah, what a reasoned and thought out response starting with an expletive. It switches people off from what you have to say and gives the impression you aren’t able to debate in a reasoned and ordered way. This means even if you did have a sound point, it wouldn’t be considered due to your demeanour. Try to make a comment in a polite or courteous way, you may find a different response. Anyway, not withstanding your manner, recruitment processes in most jobs(not just the police) don’t allow for identification for this behaviour, unless you think they ask these questions in the process and take the applicant’s word for it. This behaviour is hidden and manifests itself later, or becomes learned from others. I’ve worked in jobs where this type of behaviour was exhibited and it wasn’t a policing job, so it presents itself across a variety of professions and society. Even the most sophisticated of application processes that may require psychometric testing or behavioural analysis will struggle to identify this behaviour. On the flip side, does it suggest that the processes do work if the majority of officers who were recruited don’t engage in this behaviour? It can’t be both ways. The point here of course is that it is particularly unpalatable as the role of policing requires them to enforce and uphold the very laws that they may be breaching by their behaviour. Whilst it arguably makes sense to prevent this behaviour in the first place by not recruiting these individuals, for the aforementioned reasons recruitment process are not sophisticated enough, though I imagine the ones for the police are far more thorough than many others for obvious reasons. The key to this is the culture and leadership to challenge and deal with the behaviour immediately as it happens. This is where the work lies to remove the officers and create a hostile environment where if they did have these traits they wouldn’t dare exhibit them for fear of action being taken against them. Eventually the culture becomes embedded positively. The big question for me is why this is so prevalent in the Met. Correct the Met recruitment was roughly 100 a month 12 months a year just to replace lost officers. To maintain the numbers they had to have a slightly different process and be less "picky" shire forces like ours in Staffordshire recruited at the most 20 a month but recruitment was limited and only a few months a year if they were lucky Staffs had 100 a year. With such a huge recruitment the Met had to do something to keep the numbers up and they relaxed the process out of necessity. The vast majority are decent cops but as we've all seen some are a disgrace.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 4, 2022 9:26:21 GMT
What a load of shite. Attract,. ?? Surely the recruitment process wouldn't allow this corruption,. ? Ah, what a reasoned and thought out response starting with an expletive. It switches people off from what you have to say and gives the impression you aren’t able to debate in a reasoned and ordered way. This means even if you did have a sound point, it wouldn’t be considered due to your demeanour. Try to make a comment in a polite or courteous way, you may find a different response. Anyway, not withstanding your manner, recruitment processes in most jobs(not just the police) don’t allow for identification for this behaviour, unless you think they ask these questions in the process and take the applicant’s word for it. This behaviour is hidden and manifests itself later, or becomes learned from others. I’ve worked in jobs where this type of behaviour was exhibited and it wasn’t a policing job, so it presents itself across a variety of professions and society. Even the most sophisticated of application processes that may require psychometric testing or behavioural analysis will struggle to identify this behaviour. On the flip side, does it suggest that the processes do work if the majority of officers who were recruited don’t engage in this behaviour? It can’t be both ways. The point here of course is that it is particularly unpalatable as the role of policing requires them to enforce and uphold the very laws that they may be breaching by their behaviour. Whilst it arguably makes sense to prevent this behaviour in the first place by not recruiting these individuals, for the aforementioned reasons recruitment process are not sophisticated enough, though I imagine the ones for the police are far more thorough than many others for obvious reasons. The key to this is the culture and leadership to challenge and deal with the behaviour immediately as it happens. This is where the work lies to remove the officers and create a hostile environment where if they did have these traits they wouldn’t dare exhibit them for fear of action being taken against them. Eventually the culture becomes embedded positively. The big question for me is why this is so prevalent in the Met. An excellent and balanced post. Though I think in the same way that we staunchly defend (not the indefenceable) the police on the whole there will always be those who have a deep rooted hatred of the police justified or not and will always look for the negative and never ever recognise those that give the ultimate sacrifice for the job or risk their lives dealing with a terrorist incident for example because they’re just doing their job. emergency-services.news/watch-met-release-statement-after-video-shows-male-point-gun-towards-motorbike-cop-during-struggle/?fbclid=IwAR1-SGwFV6-2-R4EUTxAsl-GQgocnRXsfb1Sv2r20M10E0AOXkSJrycNO-oDidn’t have to look very far for an example
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Post by metalhead on Feb 9, 2022 22:09:19 GMT
I don't think we can realistically consider the option of breaking up The Met. Like most police organizations, they would not sit there quietly as you chipped away at their good times. You think Daniel Morgan had it rough, taking an axe in the head? I honestly think that any perceived attack on The Met could result in 10-15 deaths; they are not going to take this lying down. This is a far greater challenge than I think we're making out.
I honestly believe the best way would be to launch an independent investigation. It would need to be entirely independent... None of this IOPC rubbish or another force investigating. Each Met officer would require vetting and investigating to ensure they are fit for purpose. I suspect a serious number would be deemed unfit and bad for the role.
It won't happen though. Nah, best bet is just hope that things change one day. Perhaps a reduction in police sex crimes in the Met?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 10, 2022 9:54:31 GMT
I don't have anything against the idea of a police force, god knows how dangerous, chaotic and anarchic life would be without one. Nor do I take issue with the vast majority of individual officers who do an extremely tough job, that most of us would shy away from, and see some pretty awful things in the course of their careers.
However, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that the Met is one of the most corrupt organisations in the UK, and, sadly, has been for some time. There is clearly a very cosy relationship between the government and the top of the Met, to the point that potential offences and investigations are evidently being leant on. Who emails potential witnesses! Could there possibly be a chance that some collusion would take place so that all the responses tie in together nicely to exonerate those being investigated?!
On top of that the recruitment process is inept to the point of wondering if wrong 'uns are almost encouraged to join and there has long been a whiff of institutionalised racism and homophobia about the place. Lots of noises about improvement came out following the Stephen Lawrence inquiry and perhaps some did take place. But, latterly, they seem to have gone a long way backwards.
Dick should be 'resigned' and an independent, far-reaching and thorough reappraisal of the whole organisation needs to be carried out. It stinks basically and needs cleansing otherwise Londoners' trust in it will decline even further and they'll have a real problem with anyone taking them seriously.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 10, 2022 12:35:49 GMT
I think a good start would be to have a nationwide ban on coppers going through McDonalds drive throughs. Might just be me but from a PR perspective i think it looks awful. Sat in a tax payer vehicle chowing down on double Big Macs and choccy milkshakes and unable to catch the local burglar owing to their ever expanding waistlines. #packedlunchforrozzers.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 10, 2022 12:45:31 GMT
I think a good start would be to have a nationwide ban on coppers going through McDonalds drive throughs. Might just be me but from a PR perspective i think it looks awful. Sat in a tax payer vehicle chowing down on double Big Macs and choccy milkshakes and unable to catch the local burglar owing to their ever expanding waistlines. #packedlunchforrozzers.
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Post by NassauDave on Feb 10, 2022 12:53:02 GMT
So the consensus is Dick out.
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Post by NassauDave on Feb 10, 2022 12:55:11 GMT
She looks very like Stan Laurel. The hat doesn't help. It's another fine mess she finds herself in.....
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 10, 2022 12:55:40 GMT
I think a good start would be to have a nationwide ban on coppers going through McDonalds drive throughs. Might just be me but from a PR perspective i think it looks awful. Sat in a tax payer vehicle chowing down on double Big Macs and choccy milkshakes and unable to catch the local burglar owing to their ever expanding waistlines. #packedlunchforrozzers. That's crazy Aside from terrible Democrat policy encouraging shop lifting in the US currently; if that is the standard of cop then no wonder people are taking them on and taking up robbing for a living. Deary me.
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 10, 2022 14:57:15 GMT
I think a good start would be to have a nationwide ban on coppers going through McDonalds drive throughs. Might just be me but from a PR perspective i think it looks awful. Sat in a tax payer vehicle chowing down on double Big Macs and choccy milkshakes and unable to catch the local burglar owing to their ever expanding waistlines. #packedlunchforrozzers. There is a real culture thing here between UK and say US law enforcement. Putting to one side whether a Maccy D is good for cops, where are they supposed to eat? They need to eat during a 9, 10 or 12 hour shift just as you would in your work. If they are in a drive through they are visible, but most importantly deployable. Anyone can approach to report matters or just have a chat and engage which is what we want our police to do. Imagine if they just returned back to the station to eat their sandwiches in private….the public would not doubt groan. I’m all for them eating in public, it’s just a big public misperception and we need to get out of it. Also, most cops don’t get the chance to eat uninterrupted because of the demand to attend jobs, so they have to grab what they can, when they can, where they can.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 10, 2022 15:02:01 GMT
I think a good start would be to have a nationwide ban on coppers going through McDonalds drive throughs. Might just be me but from a PR perspective i think it looks awful. Sat in a tax payer vehicle chowing down on double Big Macs and choccy milkshakes and unable to catch the local burglar owing to their ever expanding waistlines. #packedlunchforrozzers. There is a real culture thing here between UK and say US law enforcement. Putting to one side whether a Maccy D is good for cops, where are they supposed to eat? They need to eat during a 9, 10 or 12 hour shift just as you would in your work. If they are in a drive through they are visible, but most importantly deployable. Anyone can approach to report matters or just have a chat and engage which is what we want our police to do. Imagine if they just returned back to the station to eat their sandwiches in private….the public would not doubt groan. I’m all for them eating in public, it’s just a big public misperception and we need to get out of it. Also, most cops don’t get the chance to eat uninterrupted because of the demand to attend jobs, so they have to grab what they can, when they can, where they can. To be fair to Mickey I think he was probably just being flippant! But your points are good ones, visibility and ability to respond are critical aspects of being out and about. I could be wrong but I don't think our boys in blue are quite as out of shape as that clip from the US suggests, thankfully!
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 10, 2022 15:09:20 GMT
There is a real culture thing here between UK and say US law enforcement. Putting to one side whether a Maccy D is good for cops, where are they supposed to eat? They need to eat during a 9, 10 or 12 hour shift just as you would in your work. If they are in a drive through they are visible, but most importantly deployable. Anyone can approach to report matters or just have a chat and engage which is what we want our police to do. Imagine if they just returned back to the station to eat their sandwiches in private….the public would not doubt groan. I’m all for them eating in public, it’s just a big public misperception and we need to get out of it. Also, most cops don’t get the chance to eat uninterrupted because of the demand to attend jobs, so they have to grab what they can, when they can, where they can. To be fair to Mickey I think he was probably just being flippant! But your points are good ones, visibility and ability to respond are critical aspects of being out and about. I could be wrong but I don't think our boys in blue are quite as out of shape as that clip from the US suggests, thankfully! I remember the first time I went to the US and was in a diner when a SWAT team had just come back from a job and decided to eat. They sat on the table next to me but took off their primary weapons…placing M16 automatic weapons and shotguns on the table. So casual as if it was normal. No one else in the cafe batted an eyelid, but man….did I feel safe! Mind you, they pushed through several pancake stacks and donuts…..a sight to behold 😂😂
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 10, 2022 17:39:06 GMT
There is a real culture thing here between UK and say US law enforcement. Putting to one side whether a Maccy D is good for cops, where are they supposed to eat? They need to eat during a 9, 10 or 12 hour shift just as you would in your work. If they are in a drive through they are visible, but most importantly deployable. Anyone can approach to report matters or just have a chat and engage which is what we want our police to do. Imagine if they just returned back to the station to eat their sandwiches in private….the public would not doubt groan. I’m all for them eating in public, it’s just a big public misperception and we need to get out of it. Also, most cops don’t get the chance to eat uninterrupted because of the demand to attend jobs, so they have to grab what they can, when they can, where they can. To be fair to Mickey I think he was probably just being flippant! But your points are good ones, visibility and ability to respond are critical aspects of being out and about. I could be wrong but I don't think our boys in blue are quite as out of shape as that clip from the US suggests, thankfully! To be fair i was kind of being serious. But xchpotter made some pretty valid points. Think its because when i used to do a bit of skivving when out on the road I'd find a Maccy D's have a big mac and a cheeky little kip on the car park Not seen a copper having a kip at McDonalds yet but when i do so help me god.........
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 10, 2022 17:56:45 GMT
I think a good start would be to have a nationwide ban on coppers going through McDonalds drive throughs. Might just be me but from a PR perspective i think it looks awful. Sat in a tax payer vehicle chowing down on double Big Macs and choccy milkshakes and unable to catch the local burglar owing to their ever expanding waistlines. #packedlunchforrozzers. They’re still on the hunt for the Hamburglar. That’s why they’re all at maccies you fool🙄
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 10, 2022 19:02:11 GMT
Dick goes.
Bout time.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 10, 2022 19:04:01 GMT
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Post by Gods on Feb 10, 2022 19:36:24 GMT
What happens next, I guess an interim while they find someone of colour to have a go?
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