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Post by pez75 on Feb 1, 2022 13:21:08 GMT
MON doesn't want a DM but he does want 3 at the back, so not odd at all really... It is when we don't have a left sided CB.... We do - Fox, although he's wank. TBH I wouldn't get too hung up on it, a decent CB should be able to slot into any of the 3 spaces, its not like they are hugging the touchline.
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Post by kustokie on Feb 1, 2022 13:21:48 GMT
Can't see Moore at RB but thought Wilmot looked comfortable at RB, certainly going forward Looks like a way to partially offset Ince’s high salary. I suspect Reading needed to off-load a potentially cheaper player.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 1, 2022 13:23:54 GMT
It is when we don't have a left sided CB.... We do - Fox, although he's wank. TBH I wouldn't get too hung up on it, a decent CB should be able to slot into any of the 3 spaces, its not like they are hugging the touchline. Lets not be silly, he's a full back and if MON is willing to play Chester there instead then not really a great option on the left of a three. In an ideal world you'd hope they could slot in but that isn't how it works, we've seen that ourselves this season.
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Post by kustokie on Feb 1, 2022 13:24:00 GMT
It is when we don't have a left sided CB.... We do - Fox, although he's wank. TBH I wouldn't get too hung up on it, a decent CB should be able to slot into any of the 3 spaces, its not like they are hugging the touchline. They need to tackle with their left foot when they are being skinned on the outside. Chester can’t use his left foot, but he can’t catch a winger anyway
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 1, 2022 14:13:35 GMT
Odd deal, as far as I'm concerned. I would be more happy if it had been for a functional defensive midfielder MON doesn't want a DM but he does want 3 at the back, so not odd at all really... Im aware MON doesn't want defensive minded midfielder, I think we could benefit from one personally.. time will tell where we are headed ultimately in respect of our slow motion transition. I refer to 'odd' separately as I find swapping Ince for a journeyman centre back a little retrograde. Before you reply with injuries, loans, forwards brought in and ffp etc, I am aware of all of those issues but Ince was playing well and was leaving in the summer anyway so given we still have an outside chance of a playoff place his contribution could have been useful, I think. But anyway I'll be interested to see how his new look team play.
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 1, 2022 14:24:46 GMT
MON doesn't want a DM but he does want 3 at the back, so not odd at all really... It is when we don't have a left sided CB.... Good point
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Post by tqstokie on Feb 1, 2022 15:56:48 GMT
Pity the Ince move was not permanent.
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Post by pez75 on Feb 1, 2022 16:04:37 GMT
We do - Fox, although he's wank. TBH I wouldn't get too hung up on it, a decent CB should be able to slot into any of the 3 spaces, its not like they are hugging the touchline. Lets not be silly, he's a full back and if MON is willing to play Chester there instead then not really a great option on the left of a three. In an ideal world you'd hope they could slot in but that isn't how it works, we've seen that ourselves this season. Not really - he's chosen to play Chester there for most of it. We can't rule out right-footers with ability based on his performances.
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Post by TinkerT on Feb 1, 2022 16:04:53 GMT
Pity the Ince move was not permanent. It will be as he's out of contract this summer
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 1, 2022 16:16:09 GMT
Pity the Ince move was not permanent. He played his last game for us , £10 million and whatever his wages were spunked up the wall
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Post by pez75 on Feb 1, 2022 16:27:34 GMT
MON doesn't want a DM but he does want 3 at the back, so not odd at all really... Im aware MON doesn't want defensive minded midfielder, I think we could benefit from one personally.. time will tell where we are headed ultimately in respect of our slow motion transition. I refer to 'odd' separately as I find swapping Ince for a journeyman centre back a little retrograde. Before you reply with injuries, loans, forwards brought in and ffp etc, I am aware of all of those issues but Ince was playing well and was leaving in the summer anyway so given we still have an outside chance of a playoff place his contribution could have been useful, I think. But anyway I'll be interested to see how his new look team play. It's often brought up on here but whether you think them necessary or not, there is no point discussing DM's in relation to transfer activity as we ain't getting one. We have a plethora of attacking players and Ince was bottom of the pile, makes perfect sense to loan him out. As for Moore, who knows - a mates Reading contact says he was their main man after Brighton tried to sign him a year or two ago and they wanted to build a team around him. Unfortunately his ambitions have not been matched and he wants out and things have now turned a bit sour. He is a good CB and a leader, and remains well respected by his team-mates. Maybe its more a case of opportunity knocks than strategic planning but if he performs well who cares?
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 1, 2022 16:54:17 GMT
Im aware MON doesn't want defensive minded midfielder, I think we could benefit from one personally.. time will tell where we are headed ultimately in respect of our slow motion transition. I refer to 'odd' separately as I find swapping Ince for a journeyman centre back a little retrograde. Before you reply with injuries, loans, forwards brought in and ffp etc, I am aware of all of those issues but Ince was playing well and was leaving in the summer anyway so given we still have an outside chance of a playoff place his contribution could have been useful, I think. But anyway I'll be interested to see how his new look team play. It's often brought up on here but whether you think them necessary or not, there is no point discussing DM's in relation to transfer activity as we ain't getting one. We have a plethora of attacking players and Ince was bottom of the pile, makes perfect sense to loan him out. As for Moore, who knows - a mates Reading contact says he was their main man after Brighton tried to sign him a year or two ago and they wanted to build a team around him. Unfortunately his ambitions have not been matched and he wants out and things have now turned a bit sour. He is a good CB and a leader, and remains well respected by his team-mates. Maybe its more a case of opportunity knocks than strategic planning but if he performs well who cares? Can't say that I agree Ince was bottom of the pile recently, he was being picked regularly to start and was one of our best performers, so it's going to be the saved wages and ffp that was the decider on it, I'd say. We will see about Moore hopefully it was a shrewd deal.. but I will keep my powder dry until we see eh?
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 1, 2022 18:31:06 GMT
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Post by tqstokie on Feb 1, 2022 19:02:53 GMT
Pity the Ince move was not permanent. It will be as he's out of contract this summer I would not be surprised if we were subsidising his wages.
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Post by ibby on Feb 1, 2022 20:22:32 GMT
“Liam is a player with a proven record at Championship level, a huge amount of games and experience, and he’s ready for a fresh challenge in his career as well.”
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 1, 2022 20:28:12 GMT
“We felt Leo Ostigard wasn’t really the type of player we wanted just in terms of building the game."
So why sign him then when the plan was clear that you wanted to play out from the back?
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 1, 2022 20:32:10 GMT
“We felt Leo Ostigard wasn’t really the type of player we wanted just in terms of building the game." So why sign him then when the plan was clear that you wanted to play out from the back? It does make it sound like they found him under a table at the training ground one day, rather than spent months scouting him for a specific role?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 1, 2022 20:34:02 GMT
“We felt Leo Ostigard wasn’t really the type of player we wanted just in terms of building the game." So why sign him then when the plan was clear that you wanted to play out from the back? His centre half recruitment is probably the most worrying of the lot really. Just seems to be signing them in the hope they will fit. With 3 at the back particularly it’s essentially there’s a left footer on the left, a right footer on the right, and a bullying vocal fucker in the middle.
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Post by yyy on Feb 1, 2022 20:37:05 GMT
“We felt Leo Ostigard wasn’t really the type of player we wanted just in terms of building the game." So why sign him then when the plan was clear that you wanted to play out from the back? His centre half recruitment is probably the most worrying of the lot really. Just seems to be signing them in the hope they will fit. With 3 at the back particularly it’s essentially there’s a left footer on the left, a right footer on the right, and a bullying vocal fucker in the middle. It's hard to believe there isn't a player abroad that could be an affordable and decent central defender for us in this division, depends if you're willing to dig deep enough or not. Give me a solid week t it I could find a few myself
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 1, 2022 20:37:05 GMT
“We felt Leo Ostigard wasn’t really the type of player we wanted just in terms of building the game." So why sign him then when the plan was clear that you wanted to play out from the back? It does make it sound like they found him under a table at the training ground one day, rather than spent months scouting him for a specific role? It certainly completes the circle. Not long after we signed him he said the coaches were working on adapting his game to try and suit us. Pointless doing that with a loanee.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 1, 2022 20:37:10 GMT
“We felt Leo Ostigard wasn’t really the type of player we wanted just in terms of building the game." So why sign him then when the plan was clear that you wanted to play out from the back? The loss of Souttar has made it a totally different ball game in my opinion regarding centre backs
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 1, 2022 20:38:28 GMT
“We felt Leo Ostigard wasn’t really the type of player we wanted just in terms of building the game." So why sign him then when the plan was clear that you wanted to play out from the back? The loss of Souttar has made it a totally different ball game in my opinion regarding centre backs Is he out all season?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 1, 2022 20:38:58 GMT
The loss of Souttar has made it a totally different ball game in my opinion regarding centre backs Is he out all season? Yep
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 1, 2022 20:40:29 GMT
It does make it sound like they found him under a table at the training ground one day, rather than spent months scouting him for a specific role? It certainly completes the circle. Not long after we signed him he said the coaches were working on adapting his game to try and suit us. Pointless doing that with a loanee. This is it. Souttar injured, go and find a player with similar attributes not just any old reserve team player going because he plays at a higher level. Just go like for like🤷🏻♂️
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Post by sportsman on Feb 1, 2022 20:50:06 GMT
“We felt Leo Ostigard wasn’t really the type of player we wanted just in terms of building the game." So why sign him then when the plan was clear that you wanted to play out from the back? I think we've recently had a change of plan of how we want to play. How many times did we see our centre backs hoofing it up the pitch to fletcher and Co before? Now it's as if they're going get a two week fine if they don't pass it. Gerrard also pointing out he liked the way we are looking to play. We're a Bit like man City but with big knickers on instead of a thong 😁
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Post by yyy on Feb 1, 2022 20:57:54 GMT
Haven’t Reading got an awful defensive record? Ince’s game time was always going to be even more limited with signings and players coming back so can see it’s a good move for him but for us? Dunno. Reading have played a blinder, Ince is bang in form and playing for his next contract, he could be the difference they need to keep them up in the form he is showing. The bit that gets me is why would a relegation threatened side send out a good defender? Did they replace Moore with anybody?
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Post by mowlee on Feb 1, 2022 21:02:55 GMT
“We felt Leo Ostigard wasn’t really the type of player we wanted just in terms of building the game." So why sign him then when the plan was clear that you wanted to play out from the back? I think we've recently had a change of plan of how we want to play. How many times did we see our centre backs hoofing it up the pitch to fletcher and Co before? Now it's as if they're going get a two week fine if they don't pass it. Gerrard also pointing out he liked the way we are looking to play. We're a Bit like man City but with big knickers on instead of a thong 😁 your not getting out of this league passing out from the back.. too many teams will press and force mistakes like the Coventry game.. pressing like Fulham.. Norwich.. Leeds.. etc.. gets you out of this division.. god knows where mons gets this passing out from the back is successful in the championship
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 1, 2022 21:04:11 GMT
Haven’t Reading got an awful defensive record? Ince’s game time was always going to be even more limited with signings and players coming back so can see it’s a good move for him but for us? Dunno. Reading have played a blinder, Ince is bang in form and playing for his next contract, he could be the difference they need to keep them up in the form he is showing. The bit that gets me is why would a relegation threatened side send out a good defender? Did they replace Moore with anybody? He fell out with the manager and hasn’t played since Dec 11th🙄Why is it so hard to understand for some folk?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 1, 2022 21:04:14 GMT
What’s Moores ability on the ball like?
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 1, 2022 21:08:44 GMT
What’s Moores ability on the ball like? Doesn't sound like it's a strength. thetilehurstend.sbnation.com/2021/12/16/22837532/there-no-easy-answer-to-reading-fc-liam-moore-conundrum-royalsA lot of that is obviously happening because of Pauno’s insistence on his team playing out from the back regardless of the game situation. It does make you wonder if Moore’s struggles under Paunovic speak to a man not ideally suited to playing in a passing system however. Even under Stam, another possession-focused manager, Moore was still hoofing the ball clear more than twice as much as he does under Pauno. Forcing him to play out under pressure is clearly one way in which Moore’s shortcomings will come to the fore, and for me, it’s a reason why Holmes should always start over Moore.
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