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Post by barrythe on Jan 27, 2022 8:59:27 GMT
Bruce, Pulis mk3 or Sparky mk2 you can guess it would be one of them hahaha...
Let's give it another 2/3 weeks to judge. Now a few more players are back from injury and new lads settle in. We will start putting in more consistent positive runs soon. W/W/D/D/W O'Neil needs at least until the end of the season(credit in bank) unlike the club with nothing in the bank until the summer.
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Post by monkeycat on Jan 27, 2022 8:59:49 GMT
And to replace him with ....................... ????? If he went, in an ideal world get Lampard in
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Post by werrington on Jan 27, 2022 8:59:56 GMT
The lack of respect for a bloke that’s worked his knackers off to stabilise this club since coming here is disgraceful.Yes we’re having a bad run but we’ll come out of it and yet again numerous posters will made to look pathetic Having an conversation about other managers doesn’t always been he should be sacked mate
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 27, 2022 9:00:52 GMT
And to replace him with ....................... ????? Always love this one. It's not Joe Average on The Oatcake's job to find a replacement is it? It's a big world out there. Had you heard of, say, Pochettino before he turned up at Southampton (I'm just using him as an example by the way)? I do remember Michael Owen diving of Pochettinos leg in the 2002 World Cup to “win” us a dodgy penalty😀 Didn’t know he was a manager though when he went to Southampton. As you allude to, there are potentially successful managers everywhere, not just the ones we’ve heard of.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 27, 2022 9:01:01 GMT
Well yeah. Realistically who could we replace him with that we could actually attract and afford? Thinking outside of the box is always a good start Like I posted above there’s many good coaches not in the public eye just awaiting a chance Nathan Jones was well and truly out of the box. I agree with you by the way but it's bloody hard to get it right in this division particularly......
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 27, 2022 9:01:07 GMT
The lack of respect for a bloke that’s worked his knackers off to stabilise this club since coming here is disgraceful.Yes we’re having a bad run but we’ll come out of it and yet again numerous posters will made to look pathetic Having an conversation about other managers doesn’t always been he should be sacked mate I refer you to the initial post
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 27, 2022 9:01:23 GMT
I know in not watching live at the ground anymore but I did for nigh on 50 years. Their still my club. I'm hurting watching this shit. What is O,Neill thinking when we set up to pass around the back with players who can’t do it. Harwood-Bellis,Fox,Chester etc certainly cannot. We then have Baker as the only one ready to accept the ball ,as Clucas doesnt want it and Allen incapabable of receiving and passing it so across it goes to the wingabacks The wing backs either hit it down the line and Brown missscontrols or it goes backwards into trouble as the back three play amongst themselves. We are so slow & predictable in our play. Hence why we’ve had si many matches in the past couple of months where we have created absolutely nothing.Not even a shot on goal. The squad we have,its strengths are to attack yet we mostly have seven players in our own half. Oneil produces this negative shit. Other teams players on a pittance compared to ours. Get him gone now were Stoke City. FC not Wycombe fuckin Wanderers. Pipe down........
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 27, 2022 9:02:03 GMT
I think that MON is actually a decent Manager who has done well at Stoke in very difficult circumstances, well apparently, off the field at least, and he deserves credit for that. The problem or issue is on the pitch and a club lives or dies by its results. Our best star players are in attack but are rarely used effectively, if at all, and we do not produce a consistent goal threat. What is the point of developing a young talented squad as we have now if you don't know how to use it. Michael is not a tactician and I feel that he has taken the club as far as he can go. He probably has a few weeks to prove that he can turn things around and if he is still floundering then we should be looking elsewhere and planning for next season. Pretty much agree with this. I’m still a fan of MON but he’s definitely been making mistakes in recent games. I don’t get his persistence with Chester for example. But then on the other hand I am excited by some of the signings we have made. I think he’s the kind of manager who would thrive given time and stability. He trusts youth and that’s a massive plus.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 27, 2022 9:02:59 GMT
Well yeah. Realistically who could we replace him with that we could actually attract and afford? Thinking outside of the box is always a good start Like I posted above there’s many good coaches not in the public eye just awaiting a chance Thinking outside the box might also be to persist with a manager rather than follow the traditional plan of booting him at the first sign of choppy waters.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2022 9:03:37 GMT
The lack of respect for a bloke that’s worked his knackers off to stabilise this club since coming here is disgraceful.Yes we’re having a bad run but we’ll come out of it and yet again numerous posters will made to look pathetic I agree. The funniest thing is for me, that they can't see what a good job he's actually done for them to have moved their goalposts so quickly 😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 27, 2022 9:04:20 GMT
Steve Bruce would do better than MON 100%. I wouldn't want him tbh but Bruce is a proven winner at this level. Guesswork. Yes Steve Bruce has a good record in this division, but it was a while ago now and there are no guarantees in football. How do you know that Steve Bruce would have coped with the mess that MON inherited any better or worse? You don't. He might have done, he might not have done. The thing is, these people calling for managers like Bruce, is that in 18 months or less, you can guarantee that they will be saying exactly the same things as what they're saying now. Educated guesswork. We're not on about him inheriting the mess, we're on about now. The past is gone. And for sure. If we appointed Bruce, I'd give him 3 year - 2 for promotion and then 1 in the PL for stabalisation and then sack him whatever happened.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 27, 2022 9:05:13 GMT
Thinking outside of the box is always a good start Like I posted above there’s many good coaches not in the public eye just awaiting a chance Thinking outside the box might also be to persist with a manager rather than follow the traditional plan of booting him at the first sign of choppy waters. 18 months of choppy waters and a pattern emerging.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 27, 2022 9:05:42 GMT
I think it'll be the summer at the earliest when they look at it - and it'd take a continuation of this form to prompt a serious discussion, you'd think. And the FFP hit of paying him off would still make it unlikely. And then you've got the lack of ready-mate Stoke-type managers that our conservative owners would be interested in. Any that would require compensation are pretty much off-limits. If Wilder was available, it'd probably be much more likely. Farke's not coming now he's in Russia. Looks like Lampard is going to get Everton Bruce probably won't work again after his pay-off, and would be very unpopular and behind the eight ball from the off. Alex Neil ticks some boxes, but unlikely we would go for him after he messed us around last time. Rooney? Jokanovic (post Sheff Utd disaster) Steve Cooper came from nowhere and has done well twice. Would we take a punt on someone like this guy? Maybe this guy will be the next to emerge from nowhere. He's already the Ireland assistant manager too apparently theathletic.com/3004668/2021/12/10/what-he-brings-to-the-team-is-priceless-anthony-barrys-rapid-rise-from-league-one-to-key-figure-at-chelsea/The year is ending as it began for Anthony Barry.
League One side Fleetwood Town, a club for whom he used to play, had him high on a wish list to be their next manager, just as they had back in January. And, once again, his instinct has been to offer a polite rejection. The Lancashire club, who have employed Stephen Crainey as an interim since sacking Simon Grayson last month, have apparently got the message and, for now, are looking elsewhere.
They are not the only team who have been monitoring Barry of late. Aberdeen, Cardiff City and Tranmere Rovers have also sounded out the 35-year-old only to find him reluctant to up sticks. Chelsea would hate to lose him too. But his stream of suitors is unlikely to dry up any time soon.
Those closest to him feel it is just a matter of time before he tries managing a club in his own right.
Sources have told The Athletic that manager Thomas Tuchel is doing his utmost to persuade Barry to remain at Stamford Bridge. Their relationship is strong and Tuchel would not stand in his way if the former midfielder expressed a desire to depart. But whenever an opportunity has arisen to date, the pair have spoken about it in a measured fashion, considering the pros and cons of a switch, and, during those conversations, Tuchel has made it abundantly clear he does not want to lose one of his right-hand menOr take a punt on a lower-league manager after the Jones debacle? Who's catching the eye down there - anyone? blog.marathonbet.co.uk/young-football-managers/Wigan manager? Cambridge? Rotherham? They'd all be pretty un-Stoke-like.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2022 9:06:26 GMT
Guesswork. Yes Steve Bruce has a good record in this division, but it was a while ago now and there are no guarantees in football. How do you know that Steve Bruce would have coped with the mess that MON inherited any better or worse? You don't. He might have done, he might not have done. The thing is, these people calling for managers like Bruce, is that in 18 months or less, you can guarantee that they will be saying exactly the same things as what they're saying now. Educated guesswork. We're not on about him inheriting the mess, we're on about now. The past is gone. And for sure. If we appointed Bruce, I'd give him 3 year - 2 for promotion and then 1 in the PL for stabalisation and then sack him whatever happened. Two years for promotion from now? Ok, let's give the man who has stabilised your football club at least another season then and see where he can take us
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Post by franklin on Jan 27, 2022 9:10:54 GMT
He's a nice chap and all that but he's so bland and uninspiring and so is his team. Yes we've had injuries blah blah like every other club but he's run his course now. He was a tepid appointment to stabilise us from the shite we were lumbered with before and he's done that but he won't go any further than stable its not his thing.
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Post by HarryTheHat on Jan 27, 2022 9:12:19 GMT
I’m sort of with the OP on this one and can see where they are coming from. But I don’t think he should go now. What’s the point? The season is a rubber duck once again. I’d give him to the end of the season and look at it properly then. Trying to look at it objectively. He deserves a chance to rectify it. Can we see any shoots of progress between now and the end of the season which warrants him staying on for another season? Personally I think this is his ceiling. I don’t think he’s got the minerals or tactical know how to ever get us promoted. And we’ll be having the same conversations this time next year as the team fades once again. It will be more of the same. But he does deserve a chance to prove himself. That starts now and finished when the season ends. However in saying all that I think he won’t be quite be able to do it and a change will be required in May. The club won’t do it though! I kind of agree also that there wouldn't seem much point in replacing him now as any incoming manager isn't going to get us into the play-offs - we're too far gone So may as well let MON see this sorry-ass shambles that he's overseen, limp over the finish line in May Although I suppose if we were to replace him now, it would give the new manager a chance to look at the crap he's inherited and plan his clear out in time for the pre-season rather than meeting them for the first time in pre-season Swings and roundabouts. End-result is that MON needs to be replaced at the end of the season at the latest
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 27, 2022 9:12:23 GMT
He's a nice chap and all that but he's so bland and uninspiring and so is his team. Yes we've had injuries blah blah like every other club but he's run his course now. He was a tepid appointment to stabilise us from the shite we were lumbered with before and he's done that but he won't go any further than stable its not his thing. Tepid appointment🙄🤣Christ almighty
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 27, 2022 9:12:30 GMT
Educated guesswork. We're not on about him inheriting the mess, we're on about now. The past is gone. And for sure. If we appointed Bruce, I'd give him 3 year - 2 for promotion and then 1 in the PL for stabalisation and then sack him whatever happened. Two years for promotion from now? Ok, let's give the man who has stabilised your football club at least another season then and see where he can take us He's taken us back to where it was before Jones. Where it should have been. Since that he's been awful.
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Post by brotherleelove on Jan 27, 2022 9:12:52 GMT
Lumphard all day if he'd come here. Everton is an impossible job.
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Post by franklin on Jan 27, 2022 9:14:04 GMT
He's a nice chap and all that but he's so bland and uninspiring and so is his team. Yes we've had injuries blah blah like every other club but he's run his course now. He was a tepid appointment to stabilise us from the shite we were lumbered with before and he's done that but he won't go any further than stable its not his thing. Tepid appointment🙄🤣Christ almighty I assume he was an inspiration in your book was he.
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 27, 2022 9:14:24 GMT
The lack of respect for a bloke that’s worked his knackers off to stabilise this club since coming here is disgraceful.Yes we’re having a bad run but we’ll come out of it and yet again numerous posters will made to look pathetic You're just being over emotional and over sentimental now. No one is being disrespectful, just a growing number of supporters who believe he's done a decent shift but continually proves he struggles to make the next step and perhaps it's time to take stock and re-evaluate the clubs ambitions. Get a grip man
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Post by HarryTheHat on Jan 27, 2022 9:14:33 GMT
The lack of respect for a bloke that’s worked his knackers off to stabilise this club since coming here is disgraceful.Yes we’re having a bad run but we’ll come out of it and yet again numerous posters will made to look pathetic Let's give him a cushy job for life then shall we? - irrespective of the fact that he's not very good? No sentiment in business - it's been rubbish for 2 seasons now - get him gone
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Post by Ron on Jan 27, 2022 9:15:10 GMT
I know in not watching live at the ground anymore but I did for nigh on 50 years. Their still my club. I'm hurting watching this shit. What is O,Neill thinking when we set up to pass around the back with players who can’t do it. Harwood-Bellis,Fox,Chester etc certainly cannot. We then have Baker as the only one ready to accept the ball ,as Clucas doesnt want it and Allen incapabable of receiving and passing it so across it goes to the wingabacks The wing backs either hit it down the line and Brown missscontrols or it goes backwards into trouble as the back three play amongst themselves. We are so slow & predictable in our play. Hence why we’ve had si many matches in the past couple of months where we have created absolutely nothing.Not even a shot on goal. The squad we have,its strengths are to attack yet we mostly have seven players in our own half. Oneil produces this negative shit. Other teams players on a pittance compared to ours. Get him gone now were Stoke City. FC not Wycombe fuckin Wanderers. So you fully expected to be pushing for the play offs this season? Even though we know we've been hit with injuries and have been limited to what players when can bring in due to FFP. For me this was always a rebuilding season and to see improvement on the last few seasons, which I believe we have. If you really want him gone then you need your head looking at. And one serious question... Who would you bring in that's available right now? How many “rebuilding” seasons can a side have?! Wasn’t that last season?! Stop making excuses for him.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 27, 2022 9:15:11 GMT
Tepid appointment🙄🤣Christ almighty I assume he was an inspiration in your book was he. What an international manager?Clueless
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2022 9:15:53 GMT
I think that MON is actually a decent Manager who has done well at Stoke in very difficult circumstances, well apparently, off the field at least, and he deserves credit for that. The problem or issue is on the pitch and a club lives or dies by its results. Our best star players are in attack but are rarely used effectively, if at all, and we do not produce a consistent goal threat. What is the point of developing a young talented squad as we have now if you don't know how to use it. Michael is not a tactician and I feel that he has taken the club as far as he can go. He probably has a few weeks to prove that he can turn things around and if he is still floundering then we should be looking elsewhere and planning for next season. Pretty much agree with this. I’m still a fan of MON but he’s definitely been making mistakes in recent games. I don’t get his persistence with Chester for example. But then on the other hand I am excited by some of the signings we have made. I think he’s the kind of manager who would thrive given time and stability. He trusts youth and that’s a massive plus. His persistence with Chester is a real strange one. Making him captain the other night was even more strange. I'd be surprised if Wilmot doesn't take his place when fit, and he also needs to fuck Clucas off out of the side as well. Those two players are dragging those side down and it's becoming increasingly frustrating that the manager doesn't seem to see it
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Post by werrington on Jan 27, 2022 9:16:25 GMT
Thinking outside of the box is always a good start Like I posted above there’s many good coaches not in the public eye just awaiting a chance Thinking outside the box might also be to persist with a manager rather than follow the traditional plan of booting him at the first sign of choppy waters. I entirely agree with you but the first sign of choppy waters…..seriously? Apart from when he first took over up until lockdown I’d agree it was a pleasure to watch us but since the return of football after it it’s been pretty much awful bar the odd spell ( the first few months of this season) The football is awful, the home form and tactics are a complete mystery and there’s a few on here who still think it’s November 2019 Anyway back to my point …..do I want him sacked? NO….but if he was there’s many excellent options off the beaten track, just as Blackpool
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Post by franklin on Jan 27, 2022 9:16:42 GMT
I assume he was an inspiration in your book was he. What an international manager?Clueless So what? I'd stick to twitter mate your rubbish on your own.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 27, 2022 9:17:25 GMT
The lack of respect for a bloke that’s worked his knackers off to stabilise this club since coming here is disgraceful.Yes we’re having a bad run but we’ll come out of it and yet again numerous posters will made to look pathetic You're just being over emotional and over sentimental now. No one is being disrespectful, just a growing number of supporters who believe he's done a decent shift but continually proves he struggles to make the next step and perhaps it's time to take stock and re-evaluate the clubs ambitions. Get a grip man Clubs ambitions🤔WE CANT SPEND MONEY and are likely to get a points deduction🤔
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 27, 2022 9:18:14 GMT
So you fully expected to be pushing for the play offs this season? Even though we know we've been hit with injuries and have been limited to what players when can bring in due to FFP. For me this was always a rebuilding season and to see improvement on the last few seasons, which I believe we have. If you really want him gone then you need your head looking at. And one serious question... Who would you bring in that's available right now? Steve Bruce We haven’t improved from last season it’s a carbon copy I can't help but find this kind of suggestion laughable. I think Bruce is a good manager, but so is O'Neill, who I think is probably better. There's no guarantee that any manager (Klopp, Ferguson, Guardiola etc. included) could come into Stoke and be a success. Any change right now is increasing risk. We're making progress with a squad that's been decimated by injuries to our best players for two seasons running. This club was in such a malaise, O'Neill & Co have worked miracles to get it where it is. See where we are by the middle of next season - I believe that was always the main target for a serious challenge at promotion. And this season is far from over. I am one for teams doing something to get the crowd going, but it works both ways. Remember the roar vs Man City? Not that it helps with the Boothen/South End split now. The Oatcake negative view seems to have slid into the matchday atmosphere.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 27, 2022 9:19:26 GMT
What an international manager?Clueless So what? I'd stick to twitter mate your rubbish on your own. Laughable but not unexpected from you
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