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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 25, 2022 21:50:19 GMT
Even for the eternal optimists who thought we could still make the play-offs this must surely drive home the fact that we're just not good enough. With the way things are going I feel we're going to be a mid table championship side for a long time, and average team with an average manager playing dull soulless football and not looking like having a clue how to change it. It's no use us calling for the managers head as he won't be sacked and even if he is we'll end up with some wank cast-off who's just been sacked for being piss poor at some relegation threatened club. Gouranga.  |
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Post by citynickscfc on Jan 25, 2022 21:54:23 GMT
Bye playoffs *waves*
We haven't been good enough for such a prolonged period, even if we scraped it we are nowhere near as good as the teams in the playoffs currently. They've for the most part lost 50% less games than us.....50 fucking percent.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 25, 2022 21:55:07 GMT
Total lack of consistency and too many players being carried
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jan 25, 2022 21:56:29 GMT
We'll be lucky to finish top 10.
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Post by kevkj on Jan 25, 2022 21:56:35 GMT
I think we're pretty consistent.
3 centre halves playing keep ball till they fuck up .Every team plays one striker against us and crowds out our wing backs.
System is shite and so are a lot of our players unfortunately.
Did Brown touch the ball without miscontrolling it.
Sadly
Bonham is shite
Smith is shite
Tymon playing shite
Chester's shite
Allen shite
Clucas shite
Ince shite
Brown shite
Tactics shite
This might give a clue why we're losing.🤔
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 25, 2022 21:59:55 GMT
That will be a relief to the players and manager. If there was a chance of the playoffs, they wouldn’t like the pressure….poor loves. They are much happier plodding around, doing fuck all with no one to hold them to account.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jan 25, 2022 22:00:49 GMT
Waved goodbye to them weeks ago
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Post by loosestools on Jan 25, 2022 22:00:54 GMT
The players do not demonstrate a belief in winning.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 25, 2022 22:17:30 GMT
I think we're pretty consistent. 3 centre halves playing keep ball till they fuck up .Every team plays one striker against us and crowds out our wing backs. System is shite and so are a lot of our players unfortunately. Did Brown touch the ball without miscontrolling it. Sadly Bonham is shite Smith is shite Tymon playing shite Chester's shite Allen shite Clucas shite Ince shite Brown shite Tactics shite This might give a clue why we're losing.🤔 TBH I don’t give a 💩 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2022 23:15:29 GMT
Lots of fans turning off as you get the feeling that nobody gives a f..k. Players/manager/management just treading water.
Top wages being paid at Stoke but players just not willing to bust a gut.
I didnt even turn my radio on til HT. I've sadly lost interest. Stoke have drained it from me. I used to love it - 40 odd years. Lots like me too.
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Post by deeside2 on Jan 26, 2022 7:51:25 GMT
Lots of fans turning off as you get the feeling that nobody gives a f..k. Players/manager/management just treading water. Top wages being paid at Stoke but players just not willing to bust a gut. I didnt even turn my radio on til HT. I've sadly lost interest. Stoke have drained it from me. I used to love it - 40 odd years. Lots like me too. Spot on. The club just seems to be going through the motions, a win here, then perhaps a draw, two defeats, then another win - we're consistently inconsistent ! Trouble is I have no confidence in Junior even seeing there is a problem, and even less confidence that he can appoint the right manager in the future. |
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Post by telfordstokie on Jan 26, 2022 8:12:51 GMT
Four seasons in this league now and we’ve not even managed a top half finish yet, despite having one of the best paid squads (and a series of highly paid managers). Not good enough.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jan 26, 2022 8:19:13 GMT
Four seasons in this league now and we’ve not even managed a top half finish yet, despite having one of the best paid squads (and a series of highly paid managers). Not good enough. 16th, 15th, 14th. What’s the betting we’ll be 13th. Just another few years until we creep into the playoffs…. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 26, 2022 8:21:58 GMT
Why do we always wait until catastrophic damage is done before sacking our managers? We should have shown ambition 2 months ago, parted ways with him in order to get Wilder or the like.
Instead, as usual, we wait until our league position suffers irreversible damage.
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Post by stokie1947 on Jan 26, 2022 8:41:10 GMT
wave goodbye to them has long as he is manager
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Post by wrighter on Jan 26, 2022 8:42:16 GMT
Hasn"t been feasible for a very long time now
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 26, 2022 8:45:59 GMT
I wish fans would look at Blackburn and how their patience with mid table finishes seems to be paying off. We are developing as a team and don't have our three most influential players from the last two seasons playing at full capacity at the moment. We know the way we played last night is not what MON wants. He has to work out how to play when we have good possession as our best performances seem to be when we are playing on the break. It sounds like there was a lot of passing across the back. Can anyone at the match tell me what Baker looked like. Was he available for a pass from defenders and did he carry the ball forward. Don't notice him at all in the highlights so I guess he didn't do much harrying.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 26, 2022 8:53:59 GMT
The cat woke me up in the middle of the night coughing up a fur ball and instead of going straight back to sleep, I ended up lying awake for about an hour thinking about Stoke because of how pissed off I was, and still am. It's the hope that kills you. After Fulham, let's be honest, we all thought we'd kick on a bit yet went pretty much straight back to shit.
One thing that really annoys me, is the fact that we never really get battered. Yes, we're not always brilliant, but even when not playing well we don't take hope from the fact we're still in the game and the grind anything out. We simply get beaten. Is it too easy to suggest once Chester, Clucas and Allen (surely), and they are replaced with a choice of Wilmot, Sawyers, Thompson, Vrancic and Powell, that things will turn? It's been said for a while that it's the experienced players that let us down, and that was the case again last night & was for the Derby, Preston and however many other games.
The fact we are now 11th and need probably 5 quick wins to even get near the play off picture is a sickener for me. Even if we manage to beat Huddersfield, we might be 10th at best and I think the atmosphere that was so positive against Fulham will quickly turn to shit again. It was just poor management yesterday, from the selections to the subs to the lack of tactical change.
It feels catastrophic.
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Post by flea79 on Jan 26, 2022 9:04:37 GMT
utter horseshit of a result
lets see how the season ends i guess, MON really has to go for it at the start of next season or he is gone i reckon.....
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 26, 2022 9:18:34 GMT
utter horseshit of a result lets see how the season ends i guess, MON really has to go for it at the start of next season or he is gone i reckon..... He shouldn't really be here come the start of next season if this current forms continues until the end of this, he's had the time to show that he's capable of getting a team in a position to push for the play offs and has been given as much as the club possibly could under FFP. I think it needs to be thank you but good bye at the end of the season. |
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Post by flea79 on Jan 26, 2022 9:20:20 GMT
utter horseshit of a result lets see how the season ends i guess, MON really has to go for it at the start of next season or he is gone i reckon..... He shouldn't really be here come the start of next season if this current forms continues until the end of this, he's had the time to show that he's capable of getting a team in a position to push for the play offs and has been given as much as the club possibly could under FFP. I think it needs to be thank you but good bye at the end of the season. agree but he is a stable pair of hands and with the changes at the top of the club now TS has gone they might want that little bit longer to remain stable and keep some continuity while they work out what they do these days! |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 26, 2022 9:21:44 GMT
After the Huddersfield game we have a break from the league and should have most of our injured players back. We need to release the shackles and just play with as much freedom as possible, I'd have one eye on blooding the likes of Forrester as well.
I still don't think we're a million miles away, yesterday was a kick in the nads after Fulham but replace Bonham with Bursik, Chester with Wilmott, Clucas with Sawyers and Ince with Powell for example and I still think there's plenty of games left to go on a run.
The counter argument to getting rid of MON would be up the road at Blackburn, on 3 or 4 occasions as recently as this September fans have called for a change, Mowbray is coming up to his 5 year anniversary in the job and has had to overhaul the squad in the same way MON has, it's only now coming to fruition.......
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Post by magwitch on Jan 26, 2022 9:53:14 GMT
Even for the eternal optimists who thought we could still make the play-offs this must surely drive home the fact that we're just not good enough. With the way things are going I feel we're going to be a mid table championship side for a long time, and average team with an average manager playing dull soulless football and not looking like having a clue how to change it. It's no use us calling for the managers head as he won't be sacked and even if he is we'll end up with some wank cast-off who's just been sacked for being piss poor at some relegation threatened club. Gouranga. Absolutely right, Albert. The feeling of utter despair at the repeated lacklustre preformances with the odd exception now and again, shines through in many of these comments. However this is a cumulative effect of all the mistakes of the last 5 years, and all the rediculous mistakes smade by the Stoke Board and management..One issue is the choosing of a new manager in 2018. Rowett was not doing a bad job but was sacked because of a dispute with the supporters, headed by Angela Smith. She was also against the appointment of Graham Potter, seemingly because she thought he didn't have the experience and his name was Potter. The appointment of the right manager is a huge issue and Stoke have consistantly over the years made poor appointments, with a few memorable exceptions. For her efforts Radio Stoke have recuited Angela Smith as one of their expert commentators. Potter is now showing the extent of the mistake made by the Board aided and abetted by Angela Smith.You really could not make this stuff up. |
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 26, 2022 10:02:57 GMT
We should take our eyes away from the play offs and promotion and use other ways of assessing the manager. Promotion was always a tall order given the background.
FFP is not a valid excuse for the standard of football we are witnessing more regularly under this manager, however it could be used as a reason for not being in
and around the top 6, based purely on context.
The manager has been allowed to sign four new centre backs this season for example, one of which has since departed, to allow him to play out from the back in his preferred system. Its fair to say they are all good options at this level, even allowing for a 39 year old.
In midfield the manager has signed Vrancic, Sawyers, Baker, TOB and Thompson to complement what was already here. Some of those players are top level Championship performers or standard, to go alongside another one in Nick Powell. The other two are young, promising development options.
The only rogue area on paper has been the forwards, which you expect being the difference makers but even then, you'd go a long way in the Championship to find more expensive strikers than Brown and Surridge, down amongst the middle table fodder of clubs we reside in.
To cut a long story short, you could accept us battering teams or even just playing well and creating chances and missing them. You accept that your finances are limiting the quality of your forwards finishing chances and that eventually you might just stumble on the right formula or be able to shift the finances around somehow to have a go.
We aren't even creating chances though and there are serious structural issues in the back line and midfield. You have to question why given the sheer volume and quality we've been afforded in those areas?
Surely that's a better benchmark for the manager going forwards. If we did give him more money to spend somehow then could he get the structural issues right and if so, how given what we already have?
If FFP will bite and our finances drop further then again, with lesser players available still what will that do to his ability to build a solid side that can create?
The owners need to be all over this like a rash. Get it wrong either way and we are here or lower for a long, long time.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 26, 2022 10:26:49 GMT
Don't want the play offs if I'm honest.
If we somehow sneaked up we'd stink the place out and struggle to reach 30 points
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Post by 16quidachuck on Jan 26, 2022 10:36:22 GMT
Don't want the play offs if I'm honest. If we somehow sneaked up we'd stink the place out and struggle to reach 30 points 10* |
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Post by yyy on Jan 26, 2022 11:02:17 GMT
This season we can kiss it good bye by the looks of it but we have the ingredients for a good side next season now. There can be no excuses next season.
The two games before last night were encouraging and if that is what the management are striving to produce longer term they have to have the summer window and upto Christmas for me because that football was entertaining
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Post by stokiesteve on Jan 26, 2022 11:05:16 GMT
Even for the eternal optimists who thought we could still make the play-offs this must surely drive home the fact that we're just not good enough. With the way things are going I feel we're going to be a mid table championship side for a long time, and average team with an average manager playing dull soulless football and not looking like having a clue how to change it. It's no use us calling for the managers head as he won't be sacked and even if he is we'll end up with some wank cast-off who's just been sacked for being piss poor at some relegation threatened club. Gouranga. So we're going back to type cast then. Hard to argue against that tbh. I would like to think not and we still have a chance when the new players gel. We are only 6 points off still so we do have a chance still fact. Maybe Im one of those eternal optimists though. |
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 26, 2022 11:15:20 GMT
This manager seems to lack the endurance that is required to successfully achieve promotion. He's been here long enough to see that he starts well then falls away.
The owners should be looking for a replacement.
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Post by bigvern on Jan 26, 2022 11:15:32 GMT
A win on Friday and I will be back on the play offs bandwagon, I can't help myself, I'm addicted to being let down.
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