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Post by gingerninja on Jan 24, 2022 9:10:33 GMT
Do we think are needed to secure a play off spot. 20 games, maybe 10?. As much as I think we've got a stronger team now than before Christmas, simply can't see us scoring enough goals to enable us to win that many games.
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 24, 2022 9:20:43 GMT
We need somewhere between 70-80pts to make the playoffs, 75 usually gets you there - so another 37pts from 20 games. 10 wins, 7 draws, 3 defeats. Really tall order.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 24, 2022 9:34:18 GMT
Looks like 78 points could be needed on current points per game averages and form. That means 12 wins for 36 points, four draws for 4 more and four defeats gets us to 78. 40 points from 20 games is automatic promotion form and way ahead of anything we have achieved. It is a big ask
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2022 9:42:44 GMT
Im not sure we are going to make the play offs now, think we will just miss out, but a lot depends on the two games this week, get maximum points from these and the picture could change dramatically.
It'll be a disappointment as far as I'm concerned if we don't manage to get into the play offs after the start we had, and due to the fact that I believe we have a top manager in charge, but it will be another season of steady progress whilst in the midst of the ffp mess we are in, which nobody on here knows the full extent of, and looking at the bigger picture, it also looks like our manager knows exactly what is required with players moving on and being replaced, but it's going to take another one maybe two windows after this one before we see the true extent of who he wants to go or has to go due to ffp.
He has the tools at his disposal now, barring anymore injuries, and players out returning, to play a more expansive brand of football (at home anyway) and I fully expect him to do that like he has done in the past when he's had a fully fit squad, do that and who knows what could happen, but it's going to take a serious run of form to make the play offs this season now.
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Post by lordb on Jan 24, 2022 10:11:54 GMT
70 points probably falls short?
75 points probably more than enough?
really hard to say given the low quality levels in the league this year
my guess is there will be 10 teams between 65 & 78 points one of which will get auto promotion which leaves 4 spots from 9 sides
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Post by hyaduck on Jan 24, 2022 10:19:17 GMT
We need to win virtually all the remaining games to be sure!!!
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Post by adamsson on Jan 24, 2022 10:27:04 GMT
Well if we win our two games in hand, we will overtake Huddersfield in 6th place so then we just need to score more points than the team in 7th
Simples
With Powell back and if new players continue to play well this should not be impossible
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2022 11:01:25 GMT
In general fans expect a little too much from MoN
He walked in to a situation where the club was holed below the waterline and sinking fast into division one, on the pitch . Whilst at the same time, hampered in every direction by huge debts off the pitch .
That's a tricky situation to be in and in the circumstances he deserves credit for somehow patching up the good ship stoke city us afloat in the championship.
He has made mistakes but done a lot right .
If the younger players can gain confidence and move us up the table a little ( while missing out on promotion ) , he has done a decent job
The play offs would be great
But there is no way the team or the club are in a position to step up to the premier League this season .It's just too much to ask .
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 24, 2022 11:08:43 GMT
In general fans expect a little too much from MoN He walked in to a situation where the club was holed below the waterline and sinking fast into division one, on the pitch . Whilst at the same time, hampered in every direction by huge debts off the pitch . That's a tricky situation to be in and in the circumstances he deserves credit for somehow patching up the good ship stoke city us afloat in the championship. He has made mistakes but done a lot right . If the younger players can gain confidence and move us up the table a little ( while missing out on promotion ) , he has done a decent job The play offs would be great But there is no way the team or the club are in a position to step up to the premier League this season .It's just too much to ask . I was with you until that last sentence. Being promoted to the Premier League would remove FFP worries, and I never think it's too early for any club to step up to the Premier League. It's how that step up is handled that makes the difference, and a lot can come down to luck on whether new signings click quick enough. |
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Post by thebet365 on Jan 24, 2022 11:55:33 GMT
In general fans expect a little too much from MoN He walked in to a situation where the club was holed below the waterline and sinking fast into division one, on the pitch . Whilst at the same time, hampered in every direction by huge debts off the pitch . That's a tricky situation to be in and in the circumstances he deserves credit for somehow patching up the good ship stoke city us afloat in the championship. He has made mistakes but done a lot right . If the younger players can gain confidence and move us up the table a little ( while missing out on promotion ) , he has done a decent job The play offs would be great But there is no way the team or the club are in a position to step up to the premier League this season .It's just too much to ask . If we don't go up and under current FFP reg's we're stuck shopping in the bargain basement, if we go up Pete can get his dong back out and spend pretty much what he likes. Sure there's a good chance we'll come back down, but then we weren't really ready for promotion last time but got 10 years up there. |
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Post by caine on Jan 24, 2022 11:56:13 GMT
Can’t see it, we haven’t been on a good run since start of the season . Blame injuries all we want but the home form has killed us. Unless we go on some crazy run can’t see it. Minimum 10 wins and couple of draws and hope others stutter. We will probably miss out, just expect the worst and you won’t be disappointed ha.
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Post by fraybentos on Jan 24, 2022 11:58:41 GMT
playoffs ended when we lost against Preston at home, I hope i'm wrong
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Post by stokie1947 on Jan 24, 2022 12:04:31 GMT
hard to see where we will get 10 or more wins from but you never know if we can just put a bit of a win sequence on who knows these next couple of matches are going to be interesting
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 24, 2022 12:14:54 GMT
Lets just win the next game heh......
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Post by Roger Everyone on Jan 24, 2022 12:28:54 GMT
We need to win virtually all the remaining games to be sure!!! Great mathematical skills... |
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 24, 2022 12:38:19 GMT
Do we think are needed to secure a play off spot. 20 games, maybe 10?. As much as I think we've got a stronger team now than before Christmas, simply can't see us scoring enough goals to enable us to win that many games. With the injuries now returning, I think that there is hope. Barnsley managed a crazy run of form last season. We just need to get the ball (finally) rolling and see where it takes us. The problem is that we’ve not won 5 in a row in decades it seems. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 24, 2022 12:43:36 GMT
Do we think are needed to secure a play off spot. 20 games, maybe 10?. As much as I think we've got a stronger team now than before Christmas, simply can't see us scoring enough goals to enable us to win that many games. With the injuries now returning, I think that there is hope. Barnsley managed a crazy run of form last season. We just need to get the ball (finally) rolling and see where it takes us. The problem is that we’ve not won 5 in a row in decades it seems. We haven't won 1 in a row at home in the league since 20th Nov  |
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 24, 2022 12:51:30 GMT
Do we think are needed to secure a play off spot. 20 games, maybe 10?. As much as I think we've got a stronger team now than before Christmas, simply can't see us scoring enough goals to enable us to win that many games. I think we’ll score loads. Unfortunately I think we’ll struggle to keep them out. I foresee another eighth or seventh place finish. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 24, 2022 12:56:13 GMT
We need somewhere between 70-80pts to make the playoffs, 75 usually gets you there - so another 37pts from 20 games. 10 wins, 7 draws, 3 defeats. Really tall order. Boro , Forest , Coventry. Bournemouth. , WBA , Huddersfield . Blackburn , all away so its not tall its 14 peaks magnitude top half still a challenge for me looking a that lot |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 24, 2022 12:56:59 GMT
It's easy to say 10-12 wins is a tall ask but there are of plenty of winnable games left.
Swansea at home
Peterborough away
Blackpool at home
Millwall at home
Bristol City at home
Barnsley away
Birmingham at home
+ 2 winnable games this week
That's 9 just of the top of my head where we really ought to take maximum points. This week is a biggie and we know we can always do a Stoke and lose when we shouldn't, but with the squad that we now have especially in attack, we should be looking at flying our way to the end of the season.
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 24, 2022 12:58:39 GMT
75 points and above should be enough. That leaves us requiring 12 wins from 20 from the remaining games, of which we have only won 11 from 26 so far. At our current hit rate we will hit around 67 points, which should get us in and around the top 10. My gut feeling all season/pre season is we just aren't good enough and the fact we are thrashing around in the long grass by moving the squad around as much as we are from window to window (FFP restricted of course) just adds to the lottery.
The key stat here is the high number of games we've lost so far (10 in 26). It's a huge amount, and most clubs in the last three years that have finished 6th since we've been in the league have only lost 12/13 all season.
I hope we do sneak in and I'd love to take my lad to Wembley, but I just can't see it.
We absolutely must finish top 10 though, anything less after how much this manager has been backed again and he seriously has to consider his position IMO.
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 24, 2022 13:31:47 GMT
It's easy to say 10-12 wins is a tall ask but there are of plenty of winnable games left. Swansea at home Peterborough away Blackpool at home Millwall at home Bristol City at home Barnsley away Birmingham at home + 2 winnable games this week That's 9 just of the top of my head where we really ought to take maximum points. This week is a biggie and we know we can always do a Stoke and lose when we shouldn't, but with the squad that we now have especially in attack, we should be looking at flying our way to the end of the season. All this highlights to me is that we have to win ALL of our ‘winnable’ (hate that phrase) games, which is pretty impossible. I don’t ever remember a time when that’s happened, let alone with our current form. Our best hope is that the threshold this season is really low, and we sneak in. There have been seasons when 70pts was enough. |
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Post by Gods on Jan 24, 2022 13:40:48 GMT
We've won 7 out of the last 20 which included that remarkable run of 3 wins in a row for the first time since Moses was a boy.
On that basis 10-12 out of the next 20 is possible but it would require a huge improvement.
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Post by adamsson on Jan 24, 2022 14:02:59 GMT
We need somewhere between 70-80pts to make the playoffs, 75 usually gets you there - so another 37pts from 20 games. 10 wins, 7 draws, 3 defeats. Really tall order. Boro , Forest , Coventry. Bournemouth. , WBA , Huddersfield . Blackburn , all away so its not tall its 14 peaks magnitude top half still a challenge for me looking a that lot As we are better away than at home why is that a problem? |
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Post by hyaduck on Jan 24, 2022 21:07:06 GMT
We need to win virtually all the remaining games to be sure!!! Great mathematical skills... An accurate observation I’d say!!!! Our home form is pretty poor, our away form is where the points will come!!!! |
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Post by lordb on Jan 24, 2022 21:13:07 GMT
75 points and above should be enough. That leaves us requiring 12 wins from 20 from the remaining games, of which we have only won 11 from 26 so far. At our current hit rate we will hit around 67 points, which should get us in and around the top 10. My gut feeling all season/pre season is we just aren't good enough and the fact we are thrashing around in the long grass by moving the squad around as much as we are from window to window (FFP restricted of course) just adds to the lottery.
The key stat here is the high number of games we've lost so far (10 in 26). It's a huge amount, and most clubs in the last three years that have finished 6th since we've been in the league have only lost 12/13 all season. I hope we do sneak in and I'd love to take my lad to Wembley, but I just can't see it. We absolutely must finish top 10 though, anything less after how much this manager has been backed again and he seriously has to consider his position IMO.
The new signings could make the difference between 67 points and 75 points Agree less than 10th questions to be asked Think we will sneak 6th myself 8th would be respectable We missed out on play offs in 2007 We drew confidence from that season |
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 24, 2022 21:36:12 GMT
Lets just win the next game heh...... This is my attitude every week from day 1. Let's just win the next game ..... Do that and the rest takes care of itself. |
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 24, 2022 21:40:06 GMT
Great mathematical skills... An accurate observation I’d say!!!! Our home form is pretty poor, our away form is where the points will come!!!! Sorry it is not accurate that if we win all our remaining games we will be sure to be in the playoffs. at 98 points we could well be auto-promoted, hence not sure of the playoffs. To paraphrase the original responder; your math needs work! |
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Post by hyaduck on Jan 24, 2022 21:48:04 GMT
An accurate observation I’d say!!!! Our home form is pretty poor, our away form is where the points will come!!!! Sorry it is not accurate that if we win all our remaining games we will be sure to be in the playoffs. at 98 points we could well be auto-promoted, hence not sure of the playoffs. To paraphrase the original responder; your math needs work! So let’s say for arguments sake, all the other teams around us win all their games, to make sure we would have to win VIRTUALLY all our remaining games. Maths wasn’t your strongest subject sunshine!!!! |
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 24, 2022 21:51:10 GMT
Sorry it is not accurate that if we win all our remaining games we will be sure to be in the playoffs. at 98 points we could well be auto-promoted, hence not sure of the playoffs. To paraphrase the original responder; your math needs work! So let’s say for arguments sake, all the other teams around us win all their games, to make sure we would have to win VIRTUALLY all our remaining games. Maths wasn’t your strongest subject sunshine!!!! Good hypothetical Rain Man!!! .... If everyone wins all their games, we need an investigation into corruption in the EFL. |
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