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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 30, 2021 23:23:15 GMT
Yeah he kept us up after the Jones debacle but the football hasn't improved since his first game in charge, IMO it's gone backwards we look so slow and predictable, it's mostly unattractive dour defensive shite and his football is as dull as dishwater. What happened to the attractive football he played in his first few month was he just pulling the wool over our eyes with his 4-3-3 attacking style, enchanting us into a false sense of optimism only to turn into a cross between the worst facets of Rowett and Pulis while adding a bit of Jones cluelessness into the fold. Every time i walk back from a home game there are disgruntled fans bemoaning the poor spectacle they have just been subjected to and it's not just when we lose, even when we win we aren't convincing. His team looks like it hasn't got a backbone or a clue. Yes he saved us but have we progressed - I don't think so. He keeps saying how disappointed he is well Michael try sitting in the Boothen End every week with the other thousands of loyal supporters that have coughed up their hard earned cash and witness the total lack of atmosphere in response to the dour shite we are watching - then you'll see what disappointment is. Not just the defeat but the paltry attempts at goal week in week out, nothing to get you off your seat with excitement or anticipation just the same old shite that us supporter have become accustomed to but for how long? Gouranga.  |
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Post by danceswithclams on Dec 30, 2021 23:29:05 GMT
Not just the defeat but the poultry attempts at goal week in week out I'm not a professional football manager by any means but even I know that chickens simply cannot generate enough power to be a genuine goal threat. They've only got little spindly legs. |
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 30, 2021 23:33:38 GMT
Not just the defeat but the poultry attempts at goal week in week out I'm not a professional football manager by any means but even I know that chickens simply cannot generate enough power to be a genuine goal threat. They've only got little spindly legs. Haha spellchecker in action again but I don't know what this board would do without the grammar police  Gouranga. |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 30, 2021 23:34:00 GMT
What’s happened is Nick P is injured, without him we and MON look crap and boring as fuck
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 30, 2021 23:35:22 GMT
Not just the defeat but the poultry attempts at goal week in week out I'm not a professional football manager by any means but even I know that chickens simply cannot generate enough power to be a genuine goal threat. They've only got little spindly legs. Make a nice roast though… |
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Post by generationex on Dec 30, 2021 23:35:22 GMT
I agree, the goal threat of most chickens is non-eggsistent.
Even Henley Town know that.
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Post by StokieNath on Dec 30, 2021 23:36:21 GMT
Don’t think he should go yet, we have got a lot of injuries but you cannot use that as an excuse for no effort at all.
There was none of it, no passion as least!
I can live with shit if we are shit but okay with passion and desire!
If he can’t get those players to want it then it’s over, see the season out, see where we are come June.
Just to be clear, I’m starting to think he’s losing the dressing room
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Post by loosestools on Dec 30, 2021 23:37:21 GMT
I agree, the goal threat of most chickens is non-eggsistent. Even Henley Town know that. Coat get. |
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Post by march4 on Dec 30, 2021 23:37:48 GMT
Pressure was building on him before the two away victories.
It is building again.
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Post by greystokie on Dec 30, 2021 23:38:14 GMT
Not just the defeat but the poultry attempts at goal week in week out I'm not a professional football manager by any means but even I know that chickens simply cannot generate enough power to be a genuine goal threat. They've only got little spindly legs. I think the chickens are coming home to roost with MON |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 30, 2021 23:39:27 GMT
Pressure was building on him before the two away victories. It is building again. It’s approaching broiling point… |
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Post by loosestools on Dec 30, 2021 23:39:34 GMT
What’s happened is Nick P is injured, without him we and MON look crap and boring as fuck Nick Powell will always be injured, you cannot build a team around Nock Powell. |
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Post by loosestools on Dec 30, 2021 23:40:18 GMT
Pressure was building on him before the two away victories. It is building again. It’s approaching broiling point… Groan |
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Post by kerouac on Dec 30, 2021 23:41:40 GMT
If the board were forward thinking they'd be looking now for a replacement at the end of the season, have a look abroad....try something different.I now believe hes a very limited manager,but can't lay the blame totally with him, but we look unfit, slow,directionless and lacking quality throughout.Its prehistoric football hes serving up.
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 30, 2021 23:46:02 GMT
What’s happened is Nick P is injured, without him we and MON look crap and boring as fuck A good manager/coach would devise a system to compensate for the loss a decent player. MON has more resources than most Championship managers and he still falls short even when he's got all his best players on the pitch. He's seriously under performing. |
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Post by kevkj on Dec 30, 2021 23:48:45 GMT
It's getting very worrying now.
Big Stoke fans losing interest by the week
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 30, 2021 23:54:05 GMT
What’s happened is Nick P is injured, without him we and MON look crap and boring as fuck A good manager/coach would devise a system to compensate for the loss a decent player. MON has more resources than most Championship managers and he still falls short even when he's got all his best players on the pitch. He's seriously under performing. You only have to look as far as the opposition tonight, without a pot to piss in, a midfield with an average age of about 20, giving youngsters a chance because they have to and we made them look like PSG. Yeah we miss Powell most teams in the championship would but he's got a squad of players to choose from and as many of the u23's as he wants. Every other team has injuries and deal with it, we just look shit and playing a back 5 at home against the side at the bottom of the league is criminal IMO. Gouranga. |
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 30, 2021 23:58:00 GMT
It's getting very worrying now. Big Stoke fans losing interest by the week 3 ST holders I know couldn't be arsed to go tonight, these are supporters that have been going for decades, another couple I know refused to renew at the start of the season after holding ST's for over 20 years because of the football on offer, it's only 5 supporters but how many other people can tell a similar tale? Gouranga. |
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 30, 2021 23:58:14 GMT
What's worried me for a while is we don't seem to have a set plan on what we are doing. We just seem to go out and knock the ball about, not really knowing how we are going to create chances or score goals. When it comes off it looks great but when it doesn't, or you don't have the players, it looks utterly bankrupt.
A huge disappointment, especially after what MON did with Northern Ireland, is how generally poor we seem to be at set pieces too. They are literally worth free points over a season if you can sort them out. They turn tight games.
You listen to him talk and he always says he doesn't want us to play direct football and I really admire and appreciate that, but sometimes in the Championship you simply have to knock it long now and again to mix it up.
I really worry he doesn't have it in his locker. Tonight he's mentioned we might actually have to go direct with us down to the bare bones but how long have we been like that now and he's only just thinking about it? How many games and points have we wasted?
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Dec 31, 2021 0:02:46 GMT
The two Derby centre halves had a combined age of 75, we didn’t test them once. Walk in the park for them, I wouldn’t lose sleep if he was gone by next week. Preston is massive for him.
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Post by loosestools on Dec 31, 2021 0:04:48 GMT
It's getting very worrying now. Big Stoke fans losing interest by the week 3 ST holders I know couldn't be arsed to go tonight, these are supporters that have been going for decades, another couple I know refused to renew at the start of the season after holding ST's for over 20 years because of the football on offer, it's only 5 supporters but how many other people can tell a similar tale? Gouranga. A fair few Albert. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2021 0:10:11 GMT
So you want the man who took us from relegation favourites to potential play off contenders sacked?
This forum is laughable at times.
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Post by march4 on Dec 31, 2021 0:11:33 GMT
What's worried me for a while is we don't seem to have a set plan on what we are doing. We just seem to go out and knock the ball about, not really knowing how we are going to create chances or score goals. When it comes off it looks great but when it doesn't, or you don't have the players, it looks utterly bankrupt. A huge disappointment, especially after what MON did with Northern Ireland, is how generally poor we seem to be at set pieces too. They are literally worth free points over a season if you can sort them out. They turn tight games. You listen to him talk and he always says he doesn't want us to play direct football and I really admire and appreciate that, but sometimes in the Championship you simply have to knock it long now and again to mix it up. I really worry he doesn't have it in his locker. Tonight he's mentioned we might actually have to go direct with us down to the bare bones but how long have we been like that now and he's only just thinking about it? How many games and points have we wasted? I think MON’s tenure is showing the difference between international and domestic football management. There is no doubt he is a good organiser with an agile mind. His players certainly know their defensive roles and this helped us avoid relegation. He is a calm and sensible person, which settled the players’ minds and gave them confidence. All this was evident also when he was an international manager. However, international managers do not have to condition their players for an arduous season ahead and they do not have to sign new players. MON seems to be learning in these areas. International players tend to play with pride for their country and motivation is less reliant on the manager. The next month is going to tell us a lot about what he has learned about leading a club side. Will we fall away like last season or will we charge towards the play offs. Will he find new signings to inject momentum? |
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 31, 2021 0:15:05 GMT
So you want the man who took us from relegation favourites to potential play off contenders sacked? This forum is laughable at times. You are the only poster on this thread to mention the "S" word Gouranga. |
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Post by loosestools on Dec 31, 2021 0:17:21 GMT
So you want the man who took us from relegation favourites to potential play off contenders sacked? This forum is laughable at times. The people speak - listen to the people. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2021 0:17:46 GMT
So you want the man who took us from relegation favourites to potential play off contenders sacked? This forum is laughable at times. You are the only poster on this thread to mention the "S" word Gouranga. But you've obviously implied it. As the rest of the knicker wetters have. |
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Post by houstonsteve on Dec 31, 2021 0:22:24 GMT
I am becoming more convinced that our 'promotion form' run after he was appointed was more due to the squads relief at having 'normal' after Rowett and Jones than MONS managerial genius. i.e he is returning to HIS average after essentially now having his own squad. so mid table mediocrity is my expectation level now despite him having more resources than almost anyone in the division (relegated prem teams excepted.)
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 31, 2021 0:24:22 GMT
You are the only poster on this thread to mention the "S" word Gouranga. But you've obviously implied it. As the rest of the knicker wetters have. No I haven't implied anything I've said exactly what I wanted to say, if you don't think the football on offer is "dull as dishwater" or "unattractive dour defensive shite" you're entitled to your opinion but by the looks of things you're in a small minority. However it appears that the majority of opinions don't seem to agree with you. Gouranga. |
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Dec 31, 2021 1:09:01 GMT
So you want the man who took us from relegation favourites to potential play off contenders sacked? This forum is laughable at times. It’s like watching paint dry, the midfield is weak as piss even at full strength as he stupidly got rid of Cousins and Mikel and didn’t replace them. Not to have that defensive midfield option in this league is quite unbelievable. I’m not saying he should get the sack but put in more performances like the last four or five home games then it will have to be looked at. |
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 31, 2021 1:25:46 GMT
People who are getting fed up now with the way we are playing are certainly no knicker-wetters. They have faithfully backed MON.
He saved us from the wilderness, but that credit is expiring quickly with this...whatever the hell it was we produced today.
Just look at the posts of these long-time fans! They're still not screaming to sack him but ARE saying that things need to change.
That's not over-reacting. Hell at many clubs, he'd have been fired 5 times over by now.
There are a lot of injuries, but to go out there and play as if they don't give a sh*t and can't pass the ball is down to the players AND the coaching staff/manager.
I'm not saying fire him right now, but ffs something has to give damned soon. A rubicon was crossed today and we need to start seeing some things.
Outrageous things like:
Matching a formation to the available personnel
Tactics that shift to suit actual game situations
Some sort of strategy that actually challenges the opposition...more often than every 75 minutes
EFFORT out of our players for the whole game
Players who can complete a 5 yard pass consistently.
Players who can defend. Somebody who can cross.
Wild stuff like that.
I don't think that fans are asking too much here, especially with the plethora of frustrations outside of football right now.
This is the kind of jaundice that LOSING brings, especially when we lose to sides that we should be beating.
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