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Post by Gods on Dec 21, 2021 19:08:08 GMT
Is it even vaguely conceivable that England will not follow suit?
Try as I might, and I have tried, I just fail to see where 50,000 people, frothing at the mouth and jammed like sardines in to football stadia sits with the current tone of 'caution-max'?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 21, 2021 19:09:36 GMT
And Germany have just announced the same
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 21, 2021 19:11:05 GMT
Is it even vaguely feasible that England will not follow suit? I just fail to see where 50,000 people, frothing at the mouth and jammed like sardines in to football stadia sits with the current tone. Frothing at the mouth and jammed like sardines? |
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Post by woodstein on Dec 21, 2021 19:19:08 GMT
So is that 500 in the big Rangers and Celtic grounds and also 500 at the much smaller Albion Rovers, Cowdenbeath etc? 🤔
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 21, 2021 19:20:18 GMT
It would help if anybody could show a link between sporting events and spikes in cases. I haven't seen anything like that but I also haven't bothered looking.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 21, 2021 19:28:10 GMT
It would help if anybody could show a link between sporting events and spikes in cases. I haven't seen anything like that but I also haven't bothered looking. Everybody got Covid when attending Liverpool v Atletico Madrid at the start. That’s obviously enough for the government to ruin football |
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 21, 2021 19:30:27 GMT
Horses piss.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 21, 2021 19:34:41 GMT
Is it even vaguely conceivable that England will not follow suit? Try as I might, and I have tried, I just fail to see where 50,000 people, frothing at the mouth and jammed like sardines in to football stadia sits with the current tone of 'caution-max'? Unfortunately.  |
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Post by theglove on Dec 21, 2021 19:37:57 GMT
It would help if anybody could show a link between sporting events and spikes in cases. I haven't seen anything like that but I also haven't bothered looking. Since all the figures come from mathematical simulations, I'm sure Neil Ferguson could come up with something if directed to by the World Health Organisation |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Dec 21, 2021 19:39:49 GMT
Is it even vaguely conceivable that England will not follow suit? Try as I might, and I have tried, I just fail to see where 50,000 people, frothing at the mouth and jammed like sardines in to football stadia sits with the current tone of 'caution-max'? Could we not close the concourse (toilets aside) and simply ensure that its turnstiles to seat to keep everyone 'outdoors' where we know transmissability is reduced? I would imagine the bigger risk would be pre-match/half time mixing and queueing over a beer. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 21, 2021 19:45:43 GMT
It would help if anybody could show a link between sporting events and spikes in cases. I haven't seen anything like that but I also haven't bothered looking. Everybody got Covid when attending Liverpool v Atletico Madrid at the start. That’s obviously enough for the government to ruin football And the Cheltenham festival |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 21, 2021 20:03:52 GMT
Is it even vaguely conceivable that England will not follow suit? Try as I might, and I have tried, I just fail to see where 50,000 people, frothing at the mouth and jammed like sardines in to football stadia sits with the current tone of 'caution-max'? Could we not close the concourse (toilets aside) and simply ensure that its turnstiles to seat to keep everyone 'outdoors' where we know transmissability is reduced? I would imagine the bigger risk would be pre-match/half time mixing and queueing over a beer. And let’s face it. Now is the ideal time to get some independent vendors “outside” the ground to serve decent food and drink like they do all over Europe. I went to Olympiastadion to watch Hertha Berlin v Wolfsburg a couple of years back and there was so much variety from independent vendors and even a funfair and all sorts of stuff. Zero bars inside the ground, it was a far better experience than the herding in this country. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Dec 21, 2021 20:14:12 GMT
Could we not close the concourse (toilets aside) and simply ensure that its turnstiles to seat to keep everyone 'outdoors' where we know transmissability is reduced? I would imagine the bigger risk would be pre-match/half time mixing and queueing over a beer. And let’s face it. Now is the ideal time to get some independent vendors “outside” the ground to serve decent food and drink like they do all over Europe. I went to Olympiastadion to watch Hertha Berlin v Wolfsburg a couple of years back and there was so much variety from independent vendors and even a funfair and all sorts of stuff. Zero bars inside the ground, it was a far better experience than the herding in this country. I think that would solve the biggest problem with my suggestion aswell. The calculation on making it behind closed doors will also, I imagine, factor in large groups gathering it pubs/bars beforehand (which will have been the trigger with the initial Ateltico-Liverpool game) thereby creating an outdoor 'market' around the ground you are creating more outdoor experiences which should lead to less transmissability, surely? Keeps fans in the ground and the tills ringing out of it. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 21, 2021 20:15:36 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 21, 2021 20:21:31 GMT
And let’s face it. Now is the ideal time to get some independent vendors “outside” the ground to serve decent food and drink like they do all over Europe. I went to Olympiastadion to watch Hertha Berlin v Wolfsburg a couple of years back and there was so much variety from independent vendors and even a funfair and all sorts of stuff. Zero bars inside the ground, it was a far better experience than the herding in this country. I think that would solve the biggest problem with my suggestion aswell. The calculation on making it behind closed doors will also, I imagine, factor in large groups gathering it pubs/bars beforehand (which will have been the trigger with the initial Ateltico-Liverpool game) thereby creating an outdoor 'market' around the ground you are creating more outdoor experiences which should lead to less transmissability, surely? Keeps fans in the ground and the tills ringing out of it. It would surely be a win win to put outside spaces up for tender as rented spaces for companies to get a patch outside the ground whilst like you say reducing the indoor impact of transmission. To be honest I’ve advocated this before this bollocks but it seems so much more relevant now than ever. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 21, 2021 20:23:12 GMT
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Dec 21, 2021 20:23:49 GMT
I think that would solve the biggest problem with my suggestion aswell. The calculation on making it behind closed doors will also, I imagine, factor in large groups gathering it pubs/bars beforehand (which will have been the trigger with the initial Ateltico-Liverpool game) thereby creating an outdoor 'market' around the ground you are creating more outdoor experiences which should lead to less transmissability, surely? Keeps fans in the ground and the tills ringing out of it. It would surely be a win win to put outside spaces up for tender as rented spaces for companies to get a patch outside the ground whilst like you say reducing the indoor impact of transmission. To be honest I’ve advocated this before this bollocks but it seems so much more relevant now than ever. I agree, eslecially where out ground is. A match day fan park benefits everyone, and when you go to Old Trafford (cricket) and see The Alchemist, local wine bars, craft ale breweries pitched up it knocks spots off the crap served up in the ground. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 21, 2021 20:24:09 GMT
Absolutely unnecessary mentalness.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 21, 2021 20:25:39 GMT
It would surely be a win win to put outside spaces up for tender as rented spaces for companies to get a patch outside the ground whilst like you say reducing the indoor impact of transmission. To be honest I’ve advocated this before this bollocks but it seems so much more relevant now than ever. I agree, eslecially where out ground is. A match day fan park benefits everyone, and when you go to Old Trafford (cricket) and see The Alchemist, local wine bars, craft ale breweries pitched up it knocks spots off the crap served up in the ground. I just can’t get my head around the thinking. Somebody somewhere must have suggested it and it be turned down for whatever reason🤷🏻‍♂️ |
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Post by neckender78 on Dec 21, 2021 20:34:34 GMT
Everybody got Covid when attending Liverpool v Atletico Madrid at the start. That’s obviously enough for the government to ruin football And the Cheltenham festival I went to Cheltenham and didn't get covid and neither did anyone I know. As far as am aware there has been no study between sporting events and transmission of covid. I imagine the results of a study of tens of thousands spectators gathering in stadiums/courses every week wouldn't suit the agenda of the scaremongering lamestream media |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 21, 2021 20:48:24 GMT
And the Cheltenham festival I went to Cheltenham and didn't get covid and neither did anyone I know. As far as am aware there has been no study between sporting events and transmission of covid. I imagine the results of a study of tens of thousands spectators gathering in stadiums/courses every week wouldn't suit the agenda of the scaremongering lamestream media And it was before anyone had even heard of a Covid vaccine. Just fucking move on with it. If we start this shit again, it’ll then go back to 2K trials, then 10k trials and then maybe full capacity by the end of the season. They won’t just go from empty to full stadiums overnight. It’s madness that we are going to do the same things as last year despite how much further along we are with it all. Absolute wankery. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 21, 2021 20:57:10 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 21, 2021 21:03:51 GMT
This Super spreader stuff is bollocks. If it’s out there you’re likely getting it. I’ve never had it and yet been around any number of people who’ve been infected. Luck of the draw, just like a cold. It’s pathetic! |
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Post by Squeekster on Dec 21, 2021 21:10:31 GMT
I went to Cheltenham and didn't get covid and neither did anyone I know. As far as am aware there has been no study between sporting events and transmission of covid. I imagine the results of a study of tens of thousands spectators gathering in stadiums/courses every week wouldn't suit the agenda of the scaremongering lamestream media And it was before anyone had even heard of a Covid vaccine. Just fucking move on with it. If we start this shit again, it’ll then go back to 2K trials, then 10k trials and then maybe full capacity by the end of the season. They won’t just go from empty to full stadiums overnight. It’s madness that we are going to do the same things as last year despite how much further along we are with it all. Absolute wankery. If it happens then it should be the exact opposite of that, this is only a short break to stop it spreading (not sure how it will help to be honest as soon as we open up it will be rinse and repeat) so we should go back to normal straight away, if not the whole vaccine roll out has been pointless in the sense that once vaccinated life should return back to some sort of normal or what was the point? |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Dec 21, 2021 21:12:26 GMT
And the Cheltenham festival I went to Cheltenham and didn't get covid and neither did anyone I know. As far as am aware there has been no study between sporting events and transmission of covid. I imagine the results of a study of tens of thousands spectators gathering in stadiums/courses every week wouldn't suit the agenda of the scaremongering lamestream media The comedian Lee Mack apparently caught COVID at Cheltenham. And got sick of the Not Going Out jokes. There was a report earlier this year that said 37 unnecessary deaths were caused thanks to the Liverpool vs Atletico match and 41 due to Cheltenham. So based on this kind of thing - www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/oct/15/liverpool-v-atletico-placed-fans-in-danger-will-anyone-be-held-to-account - is there any choice but to go behind closed doors again? I think it's very sad if so. I'd much prefer COVID passes (either proof of vaccination or a negative test) than everything going behind closed doors. From the data so far, it seems to be unvaccinated people mostly hit harder by Omicron. And masks help prevent the spread. |
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Post by Gods on Dec 21, 2021 21:15:39 GMT
And it was before anyone had even heard of a Covid vaccine. Just fucking move on with it. If we start this shit again, it’ll then go back to 2K trials, then 10k trials and then maybe full capacity by the end of the season. They won’t just go from empty to full stadiums overnight. It’s madness that we are going to do the same things as last year despite how much further along we are with it all. Absolute wankery. If it happens then it should be the exact opposite of that, this is only a short break to stop it spreading (not sure how it will help to be honest as soon as we open up it will be rinse and repeat) so we should go back to normal straight away, if not the whole vaccine roll out has been pointless in the sense that once vaccinated life should return back to some sort of normal or what was the point? I think part of the problem is the vaccine we do have doesn't work very well anymore, not against the new omicron variant anyway. Hence why you need 3 jabs to gain any kind of meaningful immunity. The world could really do with a better one but I don't know how far away that is. |
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Post by Squeekster on Dec 21, 2021 21:18:17 GMT
If it happens then it should be the exact opposite of that, this is only a short break to stop it spreading (not sure how it will help to be honest as soon as we open up it will be rinse and repeat) so we should go back to normal straight away, if not the whole vaccine roll out has been pointless in the sense that once vaccinated life should return back to some sort of normal or what was the point? I think part of the problem is the vaccine we do have doesn't work very well anymore, not against the new omicron variant anyway. Hence why you need 3 jabs to gain any kind of meaningful immunity. The world could really do with a better one but I don't know how far away that is. True mate but when the next new strain comes along and then the next, where does it end? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 21, 2021 21:21:46 GMT
If it happens then it should be the exact opposite of that, this is only a short break to stop it spreading (not sure how it will help to be honest as soon as we open up it will be rinse and repeat) so we should go back to normal straight away, if not the whole vaccine roll out has been pointless in the sense that once vaccinated life should return back to some sort of normal or what was the point? I think part of the problem is the vaccine we do have doesn't work very well anymore, not against the new omicron variant anyway. Hence why you need 3 jabs to gain any kind of meaningful immunity. The world could really do with a better one but I don't know how far away that is. I think when this all comes out in the wash the vaccines will have shown they work well against this one. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 21, 2021 21:26:40 GMT
If it happens then it should be the exact opposite of that, this is only a short break to stop it spreading (not sure how it will help to be honest as soon as we open up it will be rinse and repeat) so we should go back to normal straight away, if not the whole vaccine roll out has been pointless in the sense that once vaccinated life should return back to some sort of normal or what was the point? I think part of the problem is the vaccine we do have doesn't work very well anymore, not against the new omicron variant anyway. Hence why you need 3 jabs to gain any kind of meaningful immunity. The world could really do with a better one but I don't know how far away that is. For another thread, but good luck getting so many people to take another couple of doses of a different vaccine. Uptake will only decline from now IMO, which then will pose a problem. |
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Post by Gods on Dec 21, 2021 21:26:55 GMT
I think part of the problem is the vaccine we do have doesn't work very well anymore, not against the new omicron variant anyway. Hence why you need 3 jabs to gain any kind of meaningful immunity. The world could really do with a better one but I don't know how far away that is. I think when this all comes out in the wash the vaccines will have shown they work well against this one. I think they will work well to alleviate the worst of the symptoms. I'm not so sure on preventing the spread. Didn't they say only 10% efficient on 2 jabs. The spread is a big deal right now even if the symptoms are not so bad since the number of people with the virus isolating is killing the workforce for essential services. IMHO |
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