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Post by Northy on Dec 10, 2021 16:03:42 GMT
Does this virus only wreck havoc on 1st World countries, why haven’t India, parts of Asia and Africa not been completely overwhelmed especially given their extraordinarily low vax rates. Why aren’t we seeing more questions as to why this is the case? It has in some parts, look at Mauritius, they locked down the island, you weren't even allowed out to exercise during their lockdown, banned tourists for quite a while, only had 10 deaths in the first 18 months, after they opened up it started to take off, they had 33 deaths in one day recently, doesn't sound a lot but for a smaller island it is www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/mauritius/Columbia, Peru (worst in the world) have worse death rates than us, India nearly 1/2 a million dead, but a huge country and population, The countries you mention are poorer (not as much travel) warmer (lots of outdoor life) and probably healthier people, not obese, and maybe have a lower age death rate, not looked into that one though.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 10, 2021 16:08:29 GMT
As a matter of interest SB what would be your red line? Probably mandatory vaccinations, the Covid Act being extended indefinitely or beyond 'reasonable' or a further full lockdown. With regard to Covid Passes per se I would expect them to end when the Covid Act expires - and if that doesn't happen well that might be a red line as well. That's pretty much my take on it. Covid passports for international travel may have to stay unfortunately certainly until the vaccination programme captures every corner of the globe, the leaders of the free world really need to get their heads together and accelerate this. A pain in the arse for those jet setters amongst us but different sovereign nations with different issues/challenges makes it difficult to get any consensus. Covid passports for entry such as sporting events/gigs I can reluctantly live with for now but I would want to see them phased out as the numbers drop as I don't believe there's much merit in it. Lateral flow tests a better option as many have said, I've been doing at least 2 a week for work they've become second nature so not particularly a problem to me. Mandatory vaccinations an absolute no no. Mask wearing genuinely doesn't bother me in situations such as travelling on public transport, in supermarkets etc, I'm happy to carry on with that if need be.......
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 10, 2021 16:37:09 GMT
As a matter of interest SB what would be your red line? Probably mandatory vaccinations, the Covid Act being extended indefinitely or beyond 'reasonable' or a further full lockdown. With regard to Covid Passes per se I would expect them to end when the Covid Act expires - and if that doesn't happen well that might be a red line as well. Thanks for the response The jabbing of kids for me is a serious serious issue.
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Post by franklin on Dec 10, 2021 16:41:31 GMT
Probably mandatory vaccinations, the Covid Act being extended indefinitely or beyond 'reasonable' or a further full lockdown. With regard to Covid Passes per se I would expect them to end when the Covid Act expires - and if that doesn't happen well that might be a red line as well. Thanks for the response The jabbing of kids for me is a serious serious issue. I'm genuinely glad my kids have grown up and I didn't have to decide because me and the missus have slightly different views she's more cautious than I am.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 10, 2021 16:41:33 GMT
It’s nowhere near back to normal Masks Self isolating Covid passes Work from home Social distancing Think twice before having a Christmas party Scaring the populating over covid Forcing people to have jab after jab Media still scaremongering Only getting the worse scenarios from science and the media The no change is the amount of money and greed certain elements are making out of this I've been working away lots, hotels, bars, had more holidays these last few months than a couple of years put together, running events, etc etc It's only the knicker wetters who choose to watch the bad news on the news and social media who seem to be bleating about it on here, it's only someone in the office down south this morning told me face masks are back in today I realised, I thought it was Monday. It’s not knickerwearing. I dont want these restrictions on my everyday life. If you do good for you. Wether you choose to like them and want them fine. But they are restrictions and they are real they were not in place two years ago. They are not right and they are not a part of free living. Not whilst all the cunts in power are breaking them either
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Post by waddosnavy on Dec 10, 2021 17:12:18 GMT
My mum has rang me in a panic - she is triple jabbed and has gone onto her NHS app and her entire vaccine record has disappeared. When she clicks on both the domestic and travel option it just says "no Covid 19 records Found" even though she's had all 3 jabs and has been able to view the pass before. She's spoken to the NHS app team and her gp and both say they cannot help. 119 said the same too. So basically my mum is now completely stuck if she either wants to travel or go anywhere with the pass rule. Beyond a joke. Computer snags do crop up (at the most inconvenient of times), and as an 'oldun' I do like paper records. Joining the Royal Navy, we used to have a 'Pay Book' - but nothing to do with pay. It recorded all vaccinations, X-rays, medicals, plus leave taken, Kit issued etc. it was discarded with in the early 80's, still got mine - had my first Cholera jab on 4th Nov 1968. For some vaccinations a certificate was issued and I dug mine out last year when I trekked Kilimanjaro because a Yellow Fever certificate was required to enter Tanzania.
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Post by spitshaw on Dec 10, 2021 18:23:40 GMT
I've been working away lots, hotels, bars, had more holidays these last few months than a couple of years put together, running events, etc etc It's only the knicker wetters who choose to watch the bad news on the news and social media who seem to be bleating about it on here, it's only someone in the office down south this morning told me face masks are back in today I realised, I thought it was Monday. they were not in place two years ago Why do you think that is? It's almost as if there's been a global pandemic or something!?
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Post by Squeekster on Dec 10, 2021 20:52:11 GMT
Just because we don’t know why does not mean it’s not happening. All these countries complying have been conditioned to. As have we Lockdown furlough, gaslighting, masks, covid pass for certain things. BOOM it never goes away I quite happily take an LFT every few days and report it, I’ve had 3 jabs and now have the passport which I’m happy with. However few weeks ago my grandson got the virus from school, he was unvaccinated which is irrelevant because he wasn’t entitled being 13. So my daughter, son in law and granddaughter made the conscious decision to not isolate him within the household because they thought that whatever they did would not prevent them being infected although they were both vaccinated. My Granddaughter was due her vaccination the following week. So here’s the thing that has made me question the virus…….despite living normally in the house with a rampaging virus, using same bathroom, eating together etc etc nobody else in the household succumbed. But this has not diminished my resolve to protect my family, friends and others by taking simple precautions. Going back to the control theory….was it a contrived virus release in order to get this control over the populace or was it seen by governments as an opportunity after the virus was seen to be spreading. The idea that the pharmaceutical industry saw a cash cow and pushed the vaccination research is debunked because the Oxford AZ vaccine was done at cost with no profit. Finally isn’t it a very very expensive form of "control" given the trillions of debt that has been run up by most countries which will be being paid for well into the next century and beyond. Pre vaccine my wife had it and we carried on as normal, well she was house bound and quite ill with it, at that time both me and my son self isolated with my wife but carried on as usual in house us still sleeping together and so on but neither me or the lad got it. I've had 3 jabs the wife 2 due the third next week and the lad 2, he's a chef and had to have them for work. The only reason I had them was in the hope we could go back to some sort of normality but it seems they still keep moving the goal posts, if they go back to lock down then it makes the vaccine roll out pointless and I will seriously think hard about any boosters.
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Post by Squeekster on Dec 10, 2021 20:57:48 GMT
Does this virus only wreck havoc on 1st World countries, why haven’t India, parts of Asia and Africa not been completely overwhelmed especially given their extraordinarily low vax rates. Why aren’t we seeing more questions as to why this is the case? Weren't India burning bodies on the streets as there were that many dead that they could manage them?
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Post by yyy on Dec 10, 2021 21:52:13 GMT
Does this virus only wreck havoc on 1st World countries, why haven’t India, parts of Asia and Africa not been completely overwhelmed especially given their extraordinarily low vax rates. Why aren’t we seeing more questions as to why this is the case? Weren't India burning bodies on the streets as there were that many dead that they could manage them? Heavily rumoured to be false. It's a great point, if all these 3rd world countries were dropping like flies it would be on the media non stop and the best tool they could use to get people jabbed. Yet, nothing
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Post by Royal Donut on Dec 10, 2021 22:32:04 GMT
Mate if you knew how much money is getting moved around in the NHS is scary, I'm not talking a few quid or thousands, or millions or 100 of millions talking billions and billions, and what they are doing is soon far gone it won't be covered up, it will come out alot of people jobs on the line. ....but the media won't come out even when it's over, in this day an age with social media you think the people would have more power, well at least a say in things and people who have power be responsible for their actions. And you're fully acquainted with the complete ins and outs of the shadow finances within the NHS are you? Not only a total expert in healthcare business and finance but also somehow privy to highly secretive financial information? Or is it more likely you're talking out of your arse? Or more than likely I know people very high up in the financial position in the NHS, its their jobs didn't you read, do you work in this sector or are you talking out your arse?
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Post by knotty1 on Dec 10, 2021 22:52:16 GMT
r:india burning just like china when people were suppossidly dropping dead in the streets. just admit you have all being had. DICCKHEADS
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 11, 2021 11:44:25 GMT
I am assuming everyone who believes it is their social responsibility to be vaccinated will also take a LFT test before going to the game? Surely, it would be extremely negligent and somewhat hypocritical not to do so based on the clear evidence that vaccination does not prevent spreading of the virus. the clear evidence is being 3x jabbed you have a much lower risk of contracting and therefore spreading COVID - you conveniently left that part out. No I didn't. That is clearly not true. There is no clear evidence that the vaccination prevents the spreading of Covid. For example. How do you explain the example of an event in Oslo (widely reported) last week where 120 attendees all fully vaccinated attended an event and 70 of those tested positive the next day. How did that happen if the vaccination prevents spreading???
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Post by salopstick on Dec 11, 2021 13:14:27 GMT
the clear evidence is being 3x jabbed you have a much lower risk of contracting and therefore spreading COVID - you conveniently left that part out. No I didn't. That is clearly not true. There is no clear evidence that the vaccination prevents the spreading of Covid. For example. How do you explain the example of an event in Oslo (widely reported) last week where 120 attendees all fully vaccinated attended an event and 70 of those tested positive the next day. How did that happen if the vaccination prevents spreading??? My mrs caught covid in September despite being double jabbed. She passed it on to the kids but not me. I caught it three weeks ago It may limit the severity of the virus but I have not seen anything to ray it stops the spread. With omicron if it’s true it’s less severe but more transmissionable surely the jab program with increased herd immunity and personal immunity it would not be a problem what the number of cases were. Increased restrictions actually stop this
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Post by mutters on Dec 13, 2021 13:47:40 GMT
These type of stories have been around since the start, not that specific one. Now they are not fabricated, but they are designed to imply that the situation they describe is the norm and is happening to huge numbers of people, when in fact that's not the case. They are true stories but used as propaganda to scare people. They are happenining to a far higher percentage of the unvaccinated than the vaccinated though. Please can you share a link about that, as the latest figures show circa 35%, so not exactly a higher % is it? Are you referring to these government figures, are you ? assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1037987/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-48.pdf
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Post by felonious on Dec 13, 2021 14:10:19 GMT
I've been working away lots, hotels, bars, had more holidays these last few months than a couple of years put together, running events, etc etc It's only the knicker wetters who choose to watch the bad news on the news and social media who seem to be bleating about it on here, it's only someone in the office down south this morning told me face masks are back in today I realised, I thought it was Monday. It’s not knickerwearing.
I dont want these restrictions on my everyday life. If you do good for you. Wether you choose to like them and want them fine. But they are restrictions and they are real they were not in place two years ago. They are not right and they are not a part of free living. Not whilst all the cunts in power are breaking them either Freudian slip Salop
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 13, 2021 14:30:30 GMT
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Post by mutters on Dec 13, 2021 14:43:33 GMT
Published in September? So not exactly current?
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 13, 2021 14:56:36 GMT
If you are talking about hospitalisations and deaths of people with a positive covid test rather than people admitted because they have got covid you have to remember that the people where the percentage of vaccinated is highest is the at risk group and the over 80's. These people will be more likely to die if admitted to hospital because of their age and condition. Nor are they necessarily admitted or dying because they have covid but are included in the covid deaths if positive. For example if someone gets knocked over by a bus and rushed to an ICU they will be tested on arrival. If that test proves positive and they die from their injuries that is included as a covid death. It is more likely that over 80's are dying of heart attacks, pneumonia, blood clots etc but being included in the covid death figures. For the younger age groups who have no underlying health problems the percentage of unvaccinated hospital admissions and deaths is far higher.
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Post by Northy on Dec 13, 2021 15:03:25 GMT
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Post by yyy on Dec 13, 2021 15:51:13 GMT
Suppose you still believe those early images of people dropping dead on the streets in China too surrounded by men in space suits. Just admit you were wrong (all along) apologise for the belittling and borderline abuse (a simple sorry will suffice) and we can move forward as a population. It's the likes of you and crouchy in this country that is keeping this ridiculous thing going with fear of a dented ego, a dented ego with no vaccine available for 😱 Just. Say. No. 😉 Now what was that line that TP once trotted out... You can fool some of the people some of the time...
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Post by Northy on Dec 13, 2021 16:19:32 GMT
Suppose you still believe those early images of people dropping dead on the streets in China too surrounded by men in space suits. Just admit you were wrong (all along) apologise for the belittling and borderline abuse (a simple sorry will suffice) and we can move forward as a population. It's the likes of you and crouchy in this country that is keeping this ridiculous thing going with fear of a dented ego, a dented ego with no vaccine available for 😱 Just. Say. No. 😉 Now what was that line that TP once trotted out... You can fool some of the people some of the time...what the fook are you on about 'borderline abuse', you are the one that calls people names etc etc, its you and a couple of others that should be apologising, there's plenty of links to the Indian fires from lots of different news outlets, not just the main stream, that's all i posted to you, just for once have a look and stop going off on your tirade of 'everyone's out to control me' and 'if you don't agree with me you are a sheeple whose being controlled' etc etc etc, thinking you are superior, it's so boring I've never said anything about Chinese people dropping dead on the streets, it's once again in your mind, I've seen them, they are comical.
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Post by yyy on Dec 13, 2021 16:24:02 GMT
Suppose you still believe those early images of people dropping dead on the streets in China too surrounded by men in space suits. Just admit you were wrong (all along) apologise for the belittling and borderline abuse (a simple sorry will suffice) and we can move forward as a population. It's the likes of you and crouchy in this country that is keeping this ridiculous thing going with fear of a dented ego, a dented ego with no vaccine available for 😱 Just. Say. No. 😉 Now what was that line that TP once trotted out... You can fool some of the people some of the time...what the fook are you on about 'borderline abuse', you are the one that calls people names etc etc, its you and a couple of others that should be apologising, there's plenty of links to the Indian fires from lots of different news outlets, not just the main stream, that's all i posted to you, just for once have a look and stop going off on your tirade of 'everyone's out to control me' and 'if you don't agree with me you are a sheeple whose being controlled' etc etc etc, thinking you are superior, it's so boring I've never said anything about Chinese people dropping dead on the streets, it's once again in your mind, I've seen them, they are comical. It was said in jest mate, no I'm not superior but I can understand why you think that, I'd probs be like that if I become enlightened and become well aware that boris johnson of all people had me hook line and sinker 😁 My, that was a sensitive nerve
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 15, 2021 14:33:08 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Dec 15, 2021 18:42:57 GMT
They can fuck off. I’m not getting it
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Post by mutters on Jan 10, 2022 12:08:02 GMT
Can anyone explain why they were being enforced yesterday, when the crowd was well below the £10K threshold?
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jan 10, 2022 19:43:24 GMT
Can anyone explain why they were being enforced yesterday, when the crowd was well below the £10K threshold? Because they haven't limited the capacity - it's based on avalability not actual attendance. Had 31,000 people wanted to attend they would happily have sold 31,000 tickets.
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Post by mutters on Jan 10, 2022 20:54:49 GMT
Can anyone explain why they were being enforced yesterday, when the crowd was well below the £10K threshold? Because they haven't limited the capacity - it's based on avalability not actual attendance. Had 31,000 people wanted to attend they would happily have sold 31,000 tickets. So Stoke expected to get more than 10,000? Please see : www.nhsx.nhs.uk/covid-19-response/using-the-nhs-covid-pass/#must-use
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jan 10, 2022 21:02:10 GMT
Well as tickets were for sale until 12.30 on the day they couldn't say for certain that they wouldn't.
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Post by werrington on Jan 10, 2022 21:02:30 GMT
It doesn’t matter how many they were expecting mate It goes on stadium capacity not expected crowd figure
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