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Post by partickpotter on Nov 16, 2021 21:46:55 GMT
You may remember this fella… he shot dead two men and wounded a third during the BLM riots in the States. He is white as we’re all three victims. There is a fear that a not guilty verdict could kick off some serious trouble… Sense of unease amid wait for verdict in WisconsinWatch this space. |
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Post by franklin on Nov 16, 2021 22:29:47 GMT
I've seen a bit of this and the prosecution case is very weak from the little I've seen. I'm not sure why they decided to bring charges in this case he was chased by a large mob knocked to the ground and had guns pointed at him and shot three people self defence seems more than reasonable.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 16, 2021 22:31:46 GMT
You may remember this fella… he shot dead two men and wounded a third during the BLM riots in the States. He is white as we’re all three victims. There is a fear that a not guilty verdict could kick off some serious trouble… Sense of unease amid wait for verdict in WisconsinWatch this space. If he does get off I hope he doesn’t go into acting judging by his performance the other day…… |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 16, 2021 23:43:13 GMT
You may remember this fella… he shot dead two men and wounded a third during the BLM riots in the States. He is white as we’re all three victims. There is a fear that a not guilty verdict could kick off some serious trouble… Sense of unease amid wait for verdict in WisconsinWatch this space. If he does get off I hope he doesn’t go into acting judging by his performance the other day…… What happened? |
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Post by bertiebigguns on Nov 16, 2021 23:55:10 GMT
If he does get off I hope he doesn’t go into acting judging by his performance the other day…… What happened? He broke down when recollecting the incident on the witness stand, for a young lad I’m surprised he kept it together as long as he did. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 17, 2021 0:09:56 GMT
He broke down when recollecting the incident on the witness stand, for a young lad I’m surprised he kept it together as long as he did. i haven’t followed the case at all but from the response of Prestwich I take it he didn’t come accross as genuine |
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 17, 2021 3:19:14 GMT
I've seen a bit of this and the prosecution case is very weak from the little I've seen. I'm not sure why they decided to bring charges in this case he was chased by a large mob knocked to the ground and had guns pointed at him and shot three people self defence seems more than reasonable. . The charges included an under-18 illegally having a dangerous weapon, which seems obvious but was dropped for some reason. I think people get angry when the law and their morals collide. Rittenhouse travelled to another state to arm himself and go out - seemingly looking for trouble - and killed two people before anyone pointed a gun at him, but while he might reasonable have felt in danger. Some think that's wrong, but it might be lawful (or impossible to prosecute), so I can understand why some people are angry. Also there's a lot of distrust in the US justice system, especially when it involves violence towards certain groups. In this case the defence vetoed something like a dozen nonwhite jurors and got them kicked out, so the jury ended up 95 % white. That might affect how it's seen. Kyle Rittenhouse didn't help himself by flashing "white power" signs for the cameras either. That isn't illegal, but the white power movement enrages a lot of non-Republicans so the idea he can do that without any punishment will trigger them. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 17, 2021 6:58:57 GMT
He broke down when recollecting the incident on the witness stand, for a young lad I’m surprised he kept it together as long as he did. i haven’t followed the case at all but from the response of Prestwich I take it he didn’t come accross as genuine I was being flippant, I haven’t followed the case that closely so it would be wrong of me to comment on the ins an outs of it. This was the clip I was referring to, think Arthur Fowler after he was caught stealing the Christmas Club money..….. |
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 17, 2021 7:40:16 GMT
i haven’t followed the case at all but from the response of Prestwich I take it he didn’t come accross as genuine I was being flippant, I haven’t followed the case that closely so it would be wrong of me to comment on the ins an outs of it. This was the clip I was referring to, think Arthur Fowler after he was caught stealing the Christmas Club money..….. I’d swear he is the same guy who made the closing statement at COP26. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 17, 2021 8:13:18 GMT
i haven’t followed the case at all but from the response of Prestwich I take it he didn’t come accross as genuine I was being flippant, I haven’t followed the case that closely so it would be wrong of me to comment on the ins an outs of it. This was the clip I was referring to, think Arthur Fowler after he was caught stealing the Christmas Club money..….. Difficult one to call but he looks pretty traumatised. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 17, 2021 8:52:34 GMT
I was being flippant, I haven’t followed the case that closely so it would be wrong of me to comment on the ins an outs of it. This was the clip I was referring to, think Arthur Fowler after he was caught stealing the Christmas Club money..….. Difficult one to call but he looks pretty traumatised. Mental illness, you reckon? |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 17, 2021 9:54:36 GMT
Difficult one to call but he looks pretty traumatised. Mental illness, you reckon? maybe now but not necessarily before |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 17, 2021 10:31:18 GMT
The prosecution hasn’t helped themselves in trying to bend the rules.
The judge ripped the prosecutor
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 17, 2021 10:52:52 GMT
The prosecution hasn’t helped themselves in trying to bend the rules. The judge ripped the prosecutor The prosecutor wanted to zoom in on a video when the witness (maybe Kyle?) said he couldn't see clearly. The judge said no pinch to zoom, which sounds pretty funny but might have been the right call. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 17, 2021 14:38:26 GMT
i haven’t followed the case at all but from the response of Prestwich I take it he didn’t come accross as genuine I was being flippant, I haven’t followed the case that closely so it would be wrong of me to comment on the ins an outs of it. This was the clip I was referring to, think Arthur Fowler after he was caught stealing the Christmas Club money..….. I've followed quite a lot of it on Court TV. Watched all the concluding arguments. My personal conclusion is KR is a muppet for getting involved in the situation in the first place. That said taking all the events into account, timelines and how it all unfolded i fail to see how they are going to find him guilty. The prosecution have made numerous mistakes and nearly got the case dismissed with prejudice which would have meant no possibility of retrial. However i think the pressure to find him guilty i think will prevail and he will be found guilty. It will be a sad day for justice that external pressure to a court is starting to decide court cases. Not that it has any bearing on the case but the 1st person shot was a convicted kiddy fiddler with a long criminal record and was off his meds and just released from a secure unit. The next 2 kicked KR in the face and hit him around the head with a skate board and pulled a glock on him. To me the self defence argument stacks up. The defence referring to him as an active shooter was also a mistake as he was quite clearly not shooting indiscriminatley. We will see what happens........ |
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 17, 2021 15:06:11 GMT
I was being flippant, I haven’t followed the case that closely so it would be wrong of me to comment on the ins an outs of it. This was the clip I was referring to, think Arthur Fowler after he was caught stealing the Christmas Club money..….. I've followed quite a lot of it on Court TV. Watched all the concluding arguments. My personal conclusion is KR is a muppet for getting involved in the situation in the first place. That said taking all the events into account, timelines and how it all unfolded i fail to see how they are going to find him guilty. The prosecution have made numerous mistakes and nearly got the case dismissed with prejudice which would have meant no possibility of retrial. However i think the pressure to find him guilty i think will prevail and he will be found guilty. It will be a sad day for justice that external pressure to a court is starting to decide court cases. Not that it has any bearing on the case but the 1st person shot was a convicted kiddy fiddler with a long criminal record and was off his meds and just released from a secure unit. The next 2 kicked KR in the face and hit him around the head with a skate board and pulled a glock on him. To me the self defence argument stacks up. The defence referring to him as an active shooter was also a mistake as he was quite clearly not shooting indiscriminatley. We will see what happens........ It’s like a remake of dumb and dumber. Some really dumb people doing some very dumb shit. A bunch of white males involved in a fatal shooting linked to the BLM protests. Anyway, from what I’ve read, it does seem the guy has a good defence for two of the shootings but less of one for the other (and first) shooting. I wonder then if he’ll be found guilty on the first charge of first degree reckless homicide (on the paedo) and not guilty on the other various charges. That might help keep the peace… and seem fair. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 17, 2021 16:18:45 GMT
I've followed quite a lot of it on Court TV. Watched all the concluding arguments. My personal conclusion is KR is a muppet for getting involved in the situation in the first place. That said taking all the events into account, timelines and how it all unfolded i fail to see how they are going to find him guilty. The prosecution have made numerous mistakes and nearly got the case dismissed with prejudice which would have meant no possibility of retrial. However i think the pressure to find him guilty i think will prevail and he will be found guilty. It will be a sad day for justice that external pressure to a court is starting to decide court cases. Not that it has any bearing on the case but the 1st person shot was a convicted kiddy fiddler with a long criminal record and was off his meds and just released from a secure unit. The next 2 kicked KR in the face and hit him around the head with a skate board and pulled a glock on him. To me the self defence argument stacks up. The defence referring to him as an active shooter was also a mistake as he was quite clearly not shooting indiscriminatley. We will see what happens........ It’s like a remake of dumb and dumber. Some really dumb people doing some dumb shit. A bunch of white males involved in a fatal shooting linked to the BLM protests. Anyway, from what I’ve read, it does seem the guy has a good defence for two of the shootings but less of one for the other (and first) shooting. I wonder then if he’ll be found guilty on the first charge of first degree reckless homicide (on the paedo) and not guilty on the other various charges. That might help keep the peace… and seem fair. Yeah the first one is more problematic for the defence. But he was really unhinged and people on both sides have said he was a problem all night with his ranting and raving. But he was chasing KR and KR was running away with something being thrown at him. Then a gun shot goes off from someone nearby and the paedo loon is right on him trying to grab his gun. I can therefore see how KR might have panicked. Sticking 4 shots in him though is a bit of an issue. But the prosecution dribbling on about KR taking a gun to a fist fight is a bit weak. He even put a still up of swayze in Roadhouse to colour his point, bit pathetic. Kept going on about how KR had the option of using his fists first!! Yeah right, it was like a war zone. If i was in that jury i would be thinking BS. He is not Tyson Fury ffs. Lets see what happens but if i was a betting man, which i am not, i would say he's going down for something serious. They dropped all the minor charges so he is either going free or he's going to be looking at a lot of bird. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 17, 2021 16:32:06 GMT
It’s like a remake of dumb and dumber. Some really dumb people doing some dumb shit. A bunch of white males involved in a fatal shooting linked to the BLM protests. Anyway, from what I’ve read, it does seem the guy has a good defence for two of the shootings but less of one for the other (and first) shooting. I wonder then if he’ll be found guilty on the first charge of first degree reckless homicide (on the paedo) and not guilty on the other various charges. That might help keep the peace… and seem fair. Yeah the first one is more problematic for the defence. But he was really unhinged and people on both sides have said he was a problem all night with his ranting and raving. But he was chasing KR and KR was running away with something being thrown at him. Then a gun shot goes off from someone nearby and the paedo loon is right on him trying to grab his gun. I can therefore see how KR might have panicked. Sticking 4 shots in him though is a bit of an issue.But the prosecution dribbling on about KR taking a gun to a fist fight is a bit weak. He even put a still up of swayze in Roadhouse to colour his point, bit pathetic. Kept going on about how KR had the option of using his fists first!! Yeah right, it was like a war zone. If i was in that jury i would be thinking BS. He is not Tyson Fury ffs. Lets see what happens but if i was a betting man, which i am not, i would say he's going down for something serious. They dropped all the minor charges so he is either going free or he's going to be looking at a lot of bird. Aye, just "a bit" of an issue. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 17, 2021 16:38:06 GMT
Yeah the first one is more problematic for the defence. But he was really unhinged and people on both sides have said he was a problem all night with his ranting and raving. But he was chasing KR and KR was running away with something being thrown at him. Then a gun shot goes off from someone nearby and the paedo loon is right on him trying to grab his gun. I can therefore see how KR might have panicked. Sticking 4 shots in him though is a bit of an issue.But the prosecution dribbling on about KR taking a gun to a fist fight is a bit weak. He even put a still up of swayze in Roadhouse to colour his point, bit pathetic. Kept going on about how KR had the option of using his fists first!! Yeah right, it was like a war zone. If i was in that jury i would be thinking BS. He is not Tyson Fury ffs. Lets see what happens but if i was a betting man, which i am not, i would say he's going down for something serious. They dropped all the minor charges so he is either going free or he's going to be looking at a lot of bird. Aye, just "a bit" of an issue. It certainly is, but to be fair i don't know how much control you have when you have someone on top of you trying to take your gun. I have only ever fired a potatoe gun, not an AR15, which KR was legally carrying. |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Nov 17, 2021 17:02:43 GMT
So he’s carrying an assault rifle, and the other fella isn’t supposed to take it off him in a fight?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 17, 2021 17:09:26 GMT
So he’s carrying an assault rifle, and the other fella isn’t supposed to take it off him in a fight? Not sure about you, but probably in the top 5 things in life i would never do is chase someone who is armed with an AR15, or any gun for that matter. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 17, 2021 17:23:32 GMT
So he’s carrying an assault rifle, and the other fella isn’t supposed to take it off him in a fight? Not sure about you, but probably in the top 5 things in life i would never do is chase someone who is armed with an AR15, or any gun for that matter. Yes, but you're not your average American who thinks their life is actually like a Hollywood movie and that after being shot dead someone will yell cut and everyone gets up and goes home...! |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 17, 2021 17:43:42 GMT
Not sure about you, but probably in the top 5 things in life i would never do is chase someone who is armed with an AR15, or any gun for that matter. Yes, but you're not your average American who thinks their life is actually like a Hollywood movie and that after being shot dead someone will yell cut and everyone gets up and goes home...! Quite a funny jibe at Americans, but obviously not true. I think most know very well exactly how dangerous high powered guns are. I would suggest anyone chasing someone with an AR15 has some fairly serious mental issues or risk assessment problems. |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Nov 17, 2021 17:49:31 GMT
So he’s carrying an assault rifle, and the other fella isn’t supposed to take it off him in a fight? Not sure about you, but probably in the top 5 things in life i would never do is chase someone who is armed with an AR15, or any gun for that matter. I don’t see how he can’t go down for murder if he’s carrying an assault rifle in the street? It’s preposterous, even for America. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 17, 2021 17:52:17 GMT
Not sure about you, but probably in the top 5 things in life i would never do is chase someone who is armed with an AR15, or any gun for that matter. I don’t see how he can’t go down for murder if he’s carrying an assault rifle in the street? It’s preposterous, even for America. It is an open carry state, even for assault rifles. With regard his possession of the gun and being on the street with it, he has committed no crime. I agree it is a bit mad to us but that is the way it is. It is also a state that is very pro self defence. |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Nov 17, 2021 17:54:44 GMT
I don’t see how he can’t go down for murder if he’s carrying an assault rifle in the street? It’s preposterous, even for America. It is an open carry state, even for assault rifles. With regard his possession of the gun and being on the street with it, he has committed no crime. I agree it is a bit mad to us but that is the way it is. It is also a state that is very pro self defence. I don’t pretend to know the law but if you’re carrying a gun you’re liable to the outcomes of using that gun, whether carrying it in the first place was self-defence or not. The only way I’d personally consider using that weapon in self-defence reasonable is if I was getting shot at. |
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Post by hoffgreen on Nov 17, 2021 18:02:03 GMT
Tucker nails it perfectly
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Post by PotteringThrough on Nov 17, 2021 18:03:22 GMT
I don’t see how he can’t go down for murder if he’s carrying an assault rifle in the street? It’s preposterous, even for America. It is an open carry state, even for assault rifles. With regard his possession of the gun and being on the street with it, he has committed no crime. I agree it is a bit mad to us but that is the way it is. It is also a state that is very pro self defence. Was he underage and carrying it the state or was his underage thing a different matter? (Appreciate it’s been dropped from the trial so has no baring from that perspective) |
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Post by thevoid on Nov 17, 2021 18:18:37 GMT
Not sure about you, but probably in the top 5 things in life i would never do is chase someone who is armed with an AR15, or any gun for that matter. Yes, but you're not your average American who thinks their life is actually like a Hollywood movie and that after being shot dead someone will yell cut and everyone gets up and goes home...! A bit of exaggeration and hyperbole there mate. No need to have a meltdown over it, I just thought you'd want it pointing out as you're quick to jump on other people for it 😉 As you were. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 17, 2021 18:21:32 GMT
It is an open carry state, even for assault rifles. With regard his possession of the gun and being on the street with it, he has committed no crime. I agree it is a bit mad to us but that is the way it is. It is also a state that is very pro self defence. Was he underage and carrying it the state or was his underage thing a different matter? (Appreciate it’s been dropped from the trial so has no baring from that perspective) He was licensed to carry and the weapon as far as i know was not brought over from out of state. He also lived only just over the state border and his dad and grandma live in Kenosha. This idea that he travelled miles over state borders is a false flag. Truth is he is an idiot wannabe hard case who should not have been there in the first place. No doubt he had a fantasy of dishing out some street justice. But the reality of what i have seen through the court case, then i think his defence team have a very strong case from a self defence perspective. And state law is tilted in their favour from that perspective. That said the judge has given the prosecution some help by allowing their opinion that KR created the situation that resulted in his need for self defence. That might be his undoing. But on the face of it i think KR has a pretty sound case. Media hype and public opinion might swing it for the prosecution though. That will be worrying for me no matter what any of us think about KR. This should just be a case of applying the law, or else what is the point of laws. |
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