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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Nov 9, 2021 18:44:54 GMT
To sum up the reign in the form of song......."That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore"
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Post by nonameface on Nov 9, 2021 18:57:21 GMT
Very difficult to assess how well he did for us apart from knowing he was involved in a team that made it to the top flight and stayed there for a real long time.
I'm nervous of him leaving, not because we may not replace him adequately but because him leaving is also just after we've presented financial accounts with creative (allowable) FFP losses. This may raise scrutiny which as a club we would do well to avoid.
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Post by leicspotter on Nov 9, 2021 18:57:28 GMT
The replacement for Tony Scholes should already be known (to the Board) and will, I expect, be announced this week. It's a MASSIVE appointment (s) and will give us a real indication of where the owners want to take this football club.
I just hope they get it right
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Post by chad on Nov 9, 2021 19:00:28 GMT
Is that Jezzers sister 😊 Oops. Just noticed Laughing Gravy beat me to that one
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 9, 2021 19:06:20 GMT
If he's leaving for a payrise it shows the world is truly fucked up.
He's a complete no-mark of a person. The David Brent of football.
Watch him be the figurehead of a new European super league next.
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Post by march4 on Nov 9, 2021 19:08:48 GMT
Absolutely it's a brilliant brilliant job If you had to appoint an Oatcake poster who would you appoint? Malcolm? We could do a lot worse!
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Nov 9, 2021 19:16:24 GMT
I don't see what he could've done with Nzonzi really, we didn't hold any of the cards there. He definitely went overboard with the five year contracts, which I think was a direct response to that. I'd argue it was a timing issue with N'Zonzi and as contracts run down with good players your start to lose the power. I'm not suggesting that the club did a Wayne Thomas but I still fell that better planning and negotiating could have resulted in a better solution, although I admit it is only speculation. Of all the things to criticise Scholes for, Nzonzi only had a year left on his contract and £7m was good at the time. I'm not sure about Begovic's contract* but £8m didn't seem too bad - the same season, Cech joined Arsenal for £12m and McCarthy joined Southampton for £4m. We did seem to hand out 5 year contracts like confetti, but if those players were a success, 5 years would have been great hindsight, and it's not on Scholes that some of the players on those long contracts were bad - I'd say it's more on the manager/recruitment team who would have thought these players were worth contracts that long. *Edit: according to Wikipedia, Begovic only had a year left too, which made £8m excellent business methinks.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Nov 9, 2021 19:21:08 GMT
After all this time it will be nice to get some new blood hopefully with fresh ideas. And build a bridge if possible with the fan base? The return of Satan? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by owdestokie2 on Nov 9, 2021 19:25:08 GMT
The replacement for Tony Scholes should already be known (to the Board) and will, I expect, be announced this week. It's a MASSIVE appointment (s) and will give us a real indication of where the owners want to take this football club. I just hope they get it right They wouldn’t… would they? Satan Attachment Deleted
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Post by stantheman on Nov 9, 2021 19:26:44 GMT
As CEO , there’s been good and bad … obviously managerial appointments, sackings , player recruitment , contracts , retentions and releases and the role and experience if any of the new man / person in those areas will be of immediate concern .. not least as the short term timeline appears to fall in the transfer window..including if we’ll favour last minute or early signings Of concern too is the new persons views , running & budgeting of the academy , which while beginning to produce results appears to have a constant turnover in directors and coaches if the various adverts posted by the club are anything to go by How the new person will manage the clubs budget and just as importantly advise the owners and if they’ll be major changes in that approach awaits to be seen ..will the new man have different areas he wishes to spend or focus the budget , and will he be more or less successful in increasing those budgets ..either via the owners or outside revenue streams Of concern ( interest ) too is the freezing of season ticket prices . , together with the question of free away travel ..both of which as I understand it Scholes was a firm advocate of ..as well as attempting to encourage other clubs to follow those ideas together with reciprocal ticket pricing , will the new person have similar views or convince the owners that they’re wasted revenue opportunities On a personal note Scholes didn’t always seem to understand that some supporters ( often a handful , often just two 🤪 ) saw attending friendlies in the same light as attending competitive games , information while improving under his watch still remained patchy and unclear at times , including even when asked directly to confirm information gleaned from other clubs or sources. Perhaps concerned of another UAE scenario when the club called off an advertised friendly with 2 hours notice to which supporters had travelled to ..in 40+ years of attending friendlies my view has always been let the traveller beware ..I’d far prefer a wasted journey , than being told about a journey too late to travel . .it will no doubt take time to build a relationship with the new person ..which also brings into question the part of the supporters council ..will that improve or melt away .. interesting times ahead I forgot about the UAE game, shambles! Also he has questions to answer on agreeing to pen Stoke fans in when travelling to Split. He knew it was going to happen but fortunate enough for him he didn't have to stay but could enjoy Croatia, maybe he's going to become a Tory Politian. I was in Split, and can safely say that I didn't, and still don't, think Scholes had anything to do with us being 'penned'. I spoke to someone from the British Embassy who said it was standard for any British clubs attending Hajduk. Everton had the same a few years ago.
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Post by OldStokie on Nov 9, 2021 19:31:17 GMT
Perhaps his greatest achievement was steering us clear of a FFP situation. I remember the underhanded way Jez Moxey was used to sell us having a new ground and anything TS has done since doesn't compare with that. None of us really know what's been going on in the background but like most people, he will have made errors and done good things. Helping keep season tickets frozen for so long is a massive achievement. Unlike some, I don't see him as the Devil Incarnate and wish him well for the future.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 19:31:42 GMT
The club definitely needs a new set of eyes to head into the future. This really could make or break us.
We are at a massive moment in our club now. I really hope they make a decent appointment.
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Post by flea79 on Nov 9, 2021 19:45:20 GMT
Might be coincidence but why is it whenever changes are afloat at the club Keith Humphries is sniffing about, has been a couple of games again over the last week or two…..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 19:47:59 GMT
If you had to appoint an Oatcake poster who would you appoint? Malcolm? We could do a lot worse! . HiyaDuck for me
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 9, 2021 19:48:10 GMT
Time for the Poacher to turn Gamekeeper?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 19:53:00 GMT
Was it MoMo had the issue with Scholes? Shame he's not about (if it was him) to share his view. He was ok, like all of us had an opinion , agree with him or not. I still don't believe he was a real Sheikh though.
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Post by onefatcopper on Nov 9, 2021 19:53:13 GMT
Will he retain his shares and place on the board? I think he’s a director in name only, I think all the shares are held by the Coates- Bet365 members.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Nov 9, 2021 19:57:11 GMT
Who remembers the embarrassment/disappointment of our 150th anniversary?
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Post by whatsashig on Nov 9, 2021 20:02:16 GMT
To first team coach
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Post by questionable on Nov 9, 2021 20:06:47 GMT
Might be coincidence but why is it whenever changes are afloat at the club Keith Humphries is sniffing about, has been a couple of games again over the last week or two….. He lives a minute or so from us, strangely has large white rhinos statues in his garden, well 9 hole golf course.
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Post by flea79 on Nov 9, 2021 20:07:32 GMT
Might be coincidence but why is it whenever changes are afloat at the club Keith Humphries is sniffing about, has been a couple of games again over the last week or two….. He lives a minute or so from us, strangely has large white rhinos statues in his garden, well 9 hole golf course. Mrs H has very fashionable tastes!
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Nov 9, 2021 20:08:10 GMT
I forgot he did nothing but say yes to managers. Silly me, I guess he also had nothing to do with salaries, contract length or any process to evaluate players suitability other than the managers assessment of their football skills. Get real That’s something different isn’t it? He deserves flak for the contract issues. The ‘process to evaluate players’ suitability’ wasn’t his job was it? Red flags about the signing supposedly were raised where Berahino was concerned but Hughes was adamant and the club backed their manager - from the owners down. If he’d intervened and stopped the club signing a player who went on to be a superstar, I’m sure the reaction on here would’ve been balanced and understanding… Fair point
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Post by Gob Bluth on Nov 9, 2021 20:11:53 GMT
I'd argue it was a timing issue with N'Zonzi and as contracts run down with good players your start to lose the power. I'm not suggesting that the club did a Wayne Thomas but I still fell that better planning and negotiating could have resulted in a better solution, although I admit it is only speculation. Of all the things to criticise Scholes for, Nzonzi only had a year left on his contract and £7m was good at the time. I'm not sure about Begovic's contract* but £8m didn't seem too bad - the same season, Cech joined Arsenal for £12m and McCarthy joined Southampton for £4m. We did seem to hand out 5 year contracts like confetti, but if those players were a success, 5 years would have been great hindsight, and it's not on Scholes that some of the players on those long contracts were bad - I'd say it's more on the manager/recruitment team who would have thought these players were worth contracts that long. *Edit: according to Wikipedia, Begovic only had a year left too, which made £8m excellent business methinks. I doubt there is a club that over the same period we were in the top league made as little on sales as we did. I personally put this down to bad planning. We had coveted assets but made very little from them. I think the lack of ownership over who’s responsible will lead us to appoint a DoF.
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Post by questionable on Nov 9, 2021 20:12:02 GMT
Might be coincidence but why is it whenever changes are afloat at the club Keith Humphries is sniffing about, has been a couple of games again over the last week or two….. He lives a minute or so from us, strangely has large white rhinos statues in his garden, well 9 hole golf course. I’ll have a chat with her when she’s next in the CO OP asking what Keith’s interests are in the club. 👍👍
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Post by danceswithclams on Nov 9, 2021 20:13:27 GMT
Might be coincidence but why is it whenever changes are afloat at the club Keith Humphries is sniffing about, has been a couple of games again over the last week or two….. He's at most games along with his son Tom. Sits in the chairman's suite with the family etc. You'd be amazed at how many of the 90s boardroom lot (former directors) are still close to the inner sanctum of the club.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Nov 9, 2021 20:18:08 GMT
I forgot about the UAE game, shambles! Also he has questions to answer on agreeing to pen Stoke fans in when travelling to Split. He knew it was going to happen but fortunate enough for him he didn't have to stay but could enjoy Croatia, maybe he's going to become a Tory Politian. I was in Split, and can safely say that I didn't, and still don't, think Scholes had anything to do with us being 'penned'. I spoke to someone from the British Embassy who said it was standard for any British clubs attending Hajduk. Everton had the same a few years ago. He may not have designed the process but he could have either communicated it beforehand and negotiated it so people could have left. I doubt Daniel Levy accepts the number of sh!t sandwiches that Scholes does.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Nov 9, 2021 20:40:32 GMT
Of all the things to criticise Scholes for, Nzonzi only had a year left on his contract and £7m was good at the time. I'm not sure about Begovic's contract* but £8m didn't seem too bad - the same season, Cech joined Arsenal for £12m and McCarthy joined Southampton for £4m. We did seem to hand out 5 year contracts like confetti, but if those players were a success, 5 years would have been great hindsight, and it's not on Scholes that some of the players on those long contracts were bad - I'd say it's more on the manager/recruitment team who would have thought these players were worth contracts that long. *Edit: according to Wikipedia, Begovic only had a year left too, which made £8m excellent business methinks. I doubt there is a club that over the same period we were in the top league made as little on sales as we did. I personally put this down to bad planning. We had coveted assets but made very little from them. I think the lack of ownership over who’s responsible will lead us to appoint a DoF. The lack of a profit on those coveted assets was arguably a positive as we had some long-serving first-team regulars, Shawcross being the prime example. There were other clubs with a higher net spend than us including Bournemouth, Villa, Brighton, Wolves and West Ham (some of those who actually spent much less time in the Premier League than Stoke). The biggest issue with Stoke's Premier League finances was that most of the transfers over £12m were abject failures. Then that was followed up by Rowett wasting a load of money. I think our biggest issue was the lack of youth coming through, but that was always going to take around 10 years from after the major investment into it. The sale of Collins papered over the big FFP cracks.
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Post by citynickscfc on Nov 9, 2021 20:44:22 GMT
Fan engagement initiative: fail Ensuring fans are heard and valued: failed Fan experience: fail Subdue fan agency: succeeded Create a viable and inventive, forward thinking marketing system: fail Ensure recruitment system is forward thinking and highly specialised: fail Promote club overseas: fail Ensure club profitability: fail Ensure clubs ambition is centered around fans interest and club identity as forward thinking and progressive: fail
The one commendable thing is the season ticket prices... But even that shouldn't be held as an example, it should be used by ALL football fans as clear evidence of football having lost its soul... The fans. But that is the case all over the globe sadly, here in Finland it's common to spend 20 on a single cinema ticket, or 30 on an international friendly, even more on a single ice hockey match, or kids football team participation. It's pretty normal even a pizza costs 30 euros, and a beer about 8.
I'm pleased he's moving on, I hope the club are ready to move into this century at some point in the near future. At least we can pay by contactless payments!!!! 😅
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 9, 2021 20:48:11 GMT
Having spent 17 years in post during Stoke's rise, 10 year stay in the Prem., and decline from 2017, I can deduce:
1. He can't have done a great deal wrong or been directly responsible for things that have gone wrong.
2. Has been a good custodian of the club's finances.
3. Had little to do with the playing side of the game, apart from employees contractual terms.
4. Has implemented the wishes of his employer, or when he has advised his employer on a course of action been usually proved correct.
5. He has not been a fault for much of what he is criticised for on this MB otherwise he would not have lasted so long, and would not be leaving when it appears the club has turned the corner this season.
There are are a number of creditable things that have taken place at Stoke during his tenure including ticket prices, travel, the pitch, the training ground, the academy. There have been a number of unsatisfactory issues such as access and egress to and from the ground, catering, IT, and slow development of the stadium that have not been addressed satisfactorily. How much is down to the CEO and how much is the wishes of the owners, I'm not ITK.
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Post by clarkeda on Nov 9, 2021 21:16:06 GMT
This is going to be one of the biggest appointments of John Coates career. If he gets this wrong we’re fucked. I’m glad Scholes is going though. I wonder what brought this on. I can’t think of many easier ways to earn £1m PA. His new job probably Didn’t realise he’d taken a new role, that’s my bad.
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