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Post by lordb on Mar 18, 2022 12:09:21 GMT
Rafa, is out of work now surely he as made is money by now, maybe a new challange, and close to liverpool is it just me who is amazed that anyone thinks Rafa would take the Stoke job?
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 18, 2022 12:10:44 GMT
Rafa, is out of work now surely he as made is money by now, maybe a new challange, and close to liverpool is it just me who is amazed that anyone thinks Rafa would take the Stoke job? Chuck him enough money he might. What appears to drive him.
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Post by lordb on Mar 18, 2022 12:12:13 GMT
That would make a lot of sense Farke is a head coach not a manager Just because he has a Masters in something, it doesn't mean he's going to be good at it. A lot of my colleagues are crap at science despite having PhD's or PharmD's. I actually like MON, I just now want him gone. If we are going to go for someone in a crucial role above the manager can we at least have the ambition to try and bring someone in who has previously been successful in that role instead? I'm not saying he would be good at (we don't know though do we?) just saying it make sense in that Farke needs a DoF/sporting director & the club have potentially one to hand who just might fancy the role it could be a disaster/great success/neither of those things but can see the club thinking that this fits
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Post by lordb on Mar 18, 2022 12:13:03 GMT
is it just me who is amazed that anyone thinks Rafa would take the Stoke job? Chuck him enough money he might. What appears to drive him. China job he took suggests that yet FFP suggests we can't chuck the money required at him
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 18, 2022 12:13:53 GMT
I have to say I’m not convinced either,he’s been totally out of his depth in the Prem on a couple of occasions and I think Webber is the main man at Norwich.Having said that Norwich’s recruitment last summer was appalling and Webber is getting a lot of shit off supporters this season Why does anyone give a shit what he's like in the Prem though? There are pertinent questions about whether he's a good fit or not or how much of their success he can be credited with, but whether a manager can cut it in the Prem or not really isn't something we should be worrying about. Really?I think it matters massively for me mate unless you want to be a yo-yo club like they are
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 18, 2022 12:14:03 GMT
Rafa, is out of work now surely he as made is money by now, maybe a new challange, and close to liverpool is it just me who is amazed that anyone thinks Rafa would take the Stoke job? I'm not sure I'd want him either. His time has passed and he's another tedious caution-merchant.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 18, 2022 12:15:43 GMT
I have to say I’m not convinced either,he’s been totally out of his depth in the Prem on a couple of occasions and I think Webber is the main man at Norwich.Having said that Norwich’s recruitment last summer was appalling and Webber is getting a lot of shit off supporters this season Why does anyone give a shit what he's like in the Prem though? There are pertinent questions about whether he's a good fit or not or how much of their success he can be credited with, but whether a manager can cut it in the Prem or not really isn't something we should be worrying about. Couldn’t agree more. We are half a season away from challenging for play offs two years in a row. That’s a lot to sort out. Getting to the Premier League requires you to get out of this one. He’s at least shown he is capable of that.
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Post by pieofpeter on Mar 18, 2022 12:16:00 GMT
Rafa was a great manager at Valencia and Liverpool but his tactics have past modern football by.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 18, 2022 12:16:00 GMT
Why does anyone give a shit what he's like in the Prem though? There are pertinent questions about whether he's a good fit or not or how much of their success he can be credited with, but whether a manager can cut it in the Prem or not really isn't something we should be worrying about. Really?I think it matters massively for me mate unless you want to be a yo-yo club like they are Steve, we're a declining lower mid-table Championship club, I'd snap your fucking hands off if you offered us being a yo-yo club! All that matters is getting us in a position to compete at the right end of the table again. Anything beyond that is something for another day.
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Post by stokie223 on Mar 18, 2022 12:17:42 GMT
If we did pull the trigger, then I would certainly be happy with Farke. He's got a pretty god record as a manager all things considered.
I think this notion that he's not good enough for the Premier League is an odd one. I might be wrong here but pretty certain he's never really received any form of backing from the Norwich board, it's them that seem content being a yo-yo club. I think the only player he spent any money on was Josh Sargent - he's only young so the jury is still out there. I don't think you can lay any blame at his door for them not competing as JS is the only one of their top 10 most expensive signings that Farke signed.
Signed Buendia for £1.5m - sold for £33m Sold Godfrey for £25m (unsure if he bought him or he came in as a kid at a similar time but developed him nonetheless) Sold Maddison for £22m Sold Jamal Lewis for £15m after bringing him through the youth ranks
He plays an attractive brand of football for the most part. Doesn't move around every 2 years.
I think there's a lot to like personally.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 18, 2022 12:18:33 GMT
Really?I think it matters massively for me mate unless you want to be a yo-yo club like they are Steve, we're a declining lower mid-table Championship club, I'd snap your fucking hands off if you offered us being a yo-yo club! All that matters is getting us in a position to compete at the right end of the table again. Anything beyond that is something for another day. Fair enough mate but for me I’d go after Nuno over Farke everyday of the week.Will it happen?will it bollocks but at least he’s proved he can stay there once promoted
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Post by lordb on Mar 18, 2022 12:19:32 GMT
If we did pull the trigger, then I would certainly be happy with Farke. He's got a pretty god record as a manager all things considered. I think this notion that he's not good enough for the Premier League is an odd one. I might be wrong here but pretty certain he's never really received any form of backing from the Norwich board, it's them that seem content being a yo-yo club. I think the only player he spent any money on was Josh Sargent - he's only young so the jury is still out there. I don't think you can lay any blame at his door for them not competing as JS is the only one of their top 10 most expensive signings that Farke signed. Signed Buendia for £1.5m - sold for £33m Sold Godfrey for £25m (unsure if he bought him or he came in as a kid at a similar time but developed him nonetheless) Sold Maddison for £22m Sold Jamal Lewis for £15m after bringing him through the youth ranks He plays an attractive brand of football for the most part. Doesn't move around every 2 years. I think there's a lot to like personally. he didn't sign any of those players Stuart Webber did what he did was get the best out of them, very impressive (in this league)
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 18, 2022 12:20:07 GMT
I’m not in the Farke camp. Would rather Big Sam than him. I have to say I’m not convinced either,he’s been totally out of his depth in the Prem on a couple of occasions and I think Webber is the main man at Norwich.Having said that Norwich’s recruitment last summer was appalling and Webber is getting a lot of shit off supporters this season Generally I think its easier to stay in the premier league than it is to get out of the championship as long as you don't try staying up playing tippy tappy like Norwich, Fulham etc etc. Next season as well as the 3 promoted teams Brighton, Brentford, Leeds and possibly Palace and Everton you'd expect to be down there.
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Post by lordb on Mar 18, 2022 12:20:46 GMT
Steve, we're a declining lower mid-table Championship club, I'd snap your fucking hands off if you offered us being a yo-yo club! All that matters is getting us in a position to compete at the right end of the table again. Anything beyond that is something for another day. Fair enough mate but for me I’d go after Nuno over Farke everyday of the week.Will it happen?will it bollocks but at least he’s proved he can stay there once promoted would Nuno take the job? if he would I agree with you suspect he would rather either wait for another Prem job or manage abroad somewhere rather than take a Championship club
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Post by dirtygary69 on Mar 18, 2022 12:24:28 GMT
Rafa, is out of work now surely he as made is money by now, maybe a new challange, and close to liverpool is it just me who is amazed that anyone thinks Rafa would take the Stoke job? I'm amazed anyone would want Rafa! No good for a team like us.
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Post by biglad180 on Mar 18, 2022 12:26:04 GMT
Rafa, is out of work now surely he as made is money by now, maybe a new challange, and close to liverpool is it just me who is amazed that anyone thinks Rafa would take the Stoke job? just depends on how bad he wants to get back in to work, they cannot always drop on top jobs,stoke could be a good project for him,as i said he is close to is liverpool home,
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 18, 2022 12:27:52 GMT
If we did pull the trigger, then I would certainly be happy with Farke. He's got a pretty god record as a manager all things considered. I think this notion that he's not good enough for the Premier League is an odd one. I might be wrong here but pretty certain he's never really received any form of backing from the Norwich board, it's them that seem content being a yo-yo club. I think the only player he spent any money on was Josh Sargent - he's only young so the jury is still out there. I don't think you can lay any blame at his door for them not competing as JS is the only one of their top 10 most expensive signings that Farke signed. Signed Buendia for £1.5m - sold for £33m Sold Godfrey for £25m (unsure if he bought him or he came in as a kid at a similar time but developed him nonetheless) Sold Maddison for £22m Sold Jamal Lewis for £15m after bringing him through the youth ranks He plays an attractive brand of football for the most part. Doesn't move around every 2 years. I think there's a lot to like personally. he didn't sign any of those players Stuart Webber did what he did was get the best out of them, very impressive (in this league) Then he should do well here, surely. Let’s not forget that we did play some very decent football up until the half way point of this season. Our lack of preparation for a plan B and poor game management has seen us not keep it up. But it is the same squad of players that made us feel like we could push onwards that have now sent us into disillusionment. If he can get the best out of those that remain and those who come in, then there’s a decent chance he’ll do well.
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Post by questionable on Mar 18, 2022 12:28:41 GMT
Rafa was a great manager at Valencia and Liverpool but his tactics have past modern football by. MON predated that then??
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 18, 2022 12:30:19 GMT
Rafa doesn’t have the hunger, wouldn’t give us a second look and I wouldn’t have him.
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Post by biglad180 on Mar 18, 2022 12:30:55 GMT
some managers who have been sacked have to take a step back, and build a team before they get a crack at the premier league again, lets be honest we have good owners here better than most and if managers come here and do a top job you know that the Coates family will look after them,
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 18, 2022 12:31:12 GMT
I think if Farke was to come, Webber would have to be part of that package, I am not sure that is feasible at present. Certainly from a neutrals point of view, his football was very attractive. Who were his assistants at Norwich/ coaches etc?.
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Post by march4 on Mar 18, 2022 12:33:46 GMT
I think if Farke was to come, Webber would have to be part of that package, I am not sure that is feasible at present. Certainly from a neutrals point of view, his football was very attractive. Who were his assistants at Norwich/ coaches etc?. Good question. We need his entire team.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 18, 2022 12:34:31 GMT
he didn't sign any of those players Stuart Webber did what he did was get the best out of them, very impressive (in this league) Then he should do well here, surely. Let’s not forget that we did play some very decent football up until the half way point of this season. Our lack of preparation for a plan B and poor game management has seen us not keep it up. But it is the same squad of players that made us feel like we could push onwards that have now sent us into disillusionment. If he can get the best out of those that remain and those who come in, then there’s a decent chance he’ll do well. He'd be tasked with doing it all though wouldn't he? He wouldn't be left to just focus on getting the best out of them.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 18, 2022 12:35:19 GMT
I think if Farke was to come, Webber would have to be part of that package, I am not sure that is feasible at present. Certainly from a neutrals point of view, his football was very attractive. Who were his assistants at Norwich/ coaches etc?. Would imagine Webber will be looking at opportunities higher rather than lower. He isn't part of the package, he is the package.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 18, 2022 12:36:54 GMT
Steve, we're a declining lower mid-table Championship club, I'd snap your fucking hands off if you offered us being a yo-yo club! All that matters is getting us in a position to compete at the right end of the table again. Anything beyond that is something for another day. Fair enough mate but for me I’d go after Nuno over Farke everyday of the week.Will it happen?will it bollocks but at least he’s proved he can stay there once promoted Nuno's a much more defensive minded manager. He'd also have the same issues in that he's part of a machine, you can't just appoint him and tell him to get on with it. We'd need the whole shady Jorge Mendes operation too, are the owners going to yield to that?
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Post by stokie223 on Mar 18, 2022 12:37:24 GMT
If we did pull the trigger, then I would certainly be happy with Farke. He's got a pretty god record as a manager all things considered. I think this notion that he's not good enough for the Premier League is an odd one. I might be wrong here but pretty certain he's never really received any form of backing from the Norwich board, it's them that seem content being a yo-yo club. I think the only player he spent any money on was Josh Sargent - he's only young so the jury is still out there. I don't think you can lay any blame at his door for them not competing as JS is the only one of their top 10 most expensive signings that Farke signed. Signed Buendia for £1.5m - sold for £33m Sold Godfrey for £25m (unsure if he bought him or he came in as a kid at a similar time but developed him nonetheless) Sold Maddison for £22m Sold Jamal Lewis for £15m after bringing him through the youth ranks He plays an attractive brand of football for the most part. Doesn't move around every 2 years. I think there's a lot to like personally. he didn't sign any of those players Stuart Webber did what he did was get the best out of them, very impressive (in this league) To be fair I can't claim to know too much about the ins-and-outs of Norwich, but I would have thought he'd have some input at least? Even if it was just a list of potential targets for Webber to then chase - or Webber presenting a list of targets for him to give a y/n on. I might be way off, but as I say I think he's done a good job - even if it's just in coaching them into players that the club have then sold for significant profit. Something we're miles behind on. I think the club letting Buendia (their best player by a country mile) go to a team that they should, in theory, have aspirations of competing with just sent out a totally wrong message. I think the board were happy to just try and compete with what they had and didn't want to spend to survive.
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Post by akstoke93 on Mar 18, 2022 12:39:36 GMT
Well worth a watch……
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 18, 2022 12:39:37 GMT
Fair enough mate but for me I’d go after Nuno over Farke everyday of the week.Will it happen?will it bollocks but at least he’s proved he can stay there once promoted Nuno's a much more defensive minded manager. He'd also have the same issues in that he's part of a machine, you can't just appoint him and tell him to get on with it. We'd need the whole shady Jorge Mendes operation too, are the owners going to yield to that? Yes I accept that mate and that’s why I said it won’t happen
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Post by lordb on Mar 18, 2022 12:40:36 GMT
he didn't sign any of those players Stuart Webber did what he did was get the best out of them, very impressive (in this league) Then he should do well here, surely. Let’s not forget that we did play some very decent football up until the half way point of this season. Our lack of preparation for a plan B and poor game management has seen us not keep it up. But it is the same squad of players that made us feel like we could push onwards that have now sent us into disillusionment. If he can get the best out of those that remain and those who come in, then there’s a decent chance he’ll do well. hopefully! just wanted to make the point re transfers I genuinely think the majority of this squad can all play better than they have so a Farke a Nuno or similar would be great
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 18, 2022 12:48:13 GMT
he didn't sign any of those players Stuart Webber did what he did was get the best out of them, very impressive (in this league) To be fair I can't claim to know too much about the ins-and-outs of Norwich, but I would have thought he'd have some input at least? Even if it was just a list of potential targets for Webber to then chase - or Webber presenting a list of targets for him to give a y/n on. I might be way off, but as I say I think he's done a good job - even if it's just in coaching them into players that the club have then sold for significant profit. Something we're miles behind on. I think the club letting Buendia (their best player by a country mile) go to a team that they should, in theory, have aspirations of competing with just sent out a totally wrong message. I think the board were happy to just try and compete with what they had and didn't want to spend to survive. He'd have had an input for sure but their whole process seems a lot slicker and more organised and holistic than ours.
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