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Post by bloodtypered on Nov 3, 2021 22:19:28 GMT
....set up a great cross for the goal, great decision by MON too. ... for bringing him on then
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 3, 2021 22:28:42 GMT
He needed to be on from the start really.
And then about 10 minutes before he actually came on.
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Post by jarvinski on Nov 3, 2021 22:32:08 GMT
Correct, I thought we played well in a very fast game, outstanding Allen, Fletcher, Danny Batth were outstanding, great atmosphere in a great stadium
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Nov 3, 2021 22:35:53 GMT
This is exactly what he was bought in for, to change tight games like tonight.
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Post by potterfox1011 on Nov 3, 2021 22:36:54 GMT
....set up a great cross for the goal, great decision by MON too. ... for bringing him on then however Sawyers gets the call over him is unbelievable |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 22:37:11 GMT
He needed to be on from the start really. And then about 10 minutes before he actually came on. Not often I agree with you but I do on both counts here. |
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Post by wearestoke80 on Nov 4, 2021 8:05:32 GMT
Why isn’t he starting?
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Post by scfc75 on Nov 4, 2021 8:07:22 GMT
I suspect he will on Saturday |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 4, 2021 8:11:41 GMT
I suspect he will on Saturday I agree. I think Vrancic has reached a point in his career where 2 x 90 minute games in a week are too much. I suspect MON felt that Luton was (just about) the harder game of the 2 we played this week. |
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Post by sheds1862 on Nov 4, 2021 10:03:08 GMT
I suspect he will on Saturday I agree. I think Vrancic has reached a point in his career where 2 x 90 minute games in a week are too much. I suspect MON felt that Luton was (just about) the harder game of the 2 we played this week. Really struggle myself with the concept that a professional footballer in his 30's needs resting . In my opinion it's ridiculous. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 4, 2021 10:10:12 GMT
I agree. I think Vrancic has reached a point in his career where 2 x 90 minute games in a week are too much. I suspect MON felt that Luton was (just about) the harder game of the 2 we played this week. Really struggle myself with the concept that a professional footballer in his 30's needs resting . In my opinion it's ridiculous. I don't think it's always a question of fitness with Vrancic, some players are just better impact players than others and when a game gets stretched after 60 odd minutes and legs are tiring a fresh Vrancic is a great weapon to have. The way he calmly kept the ball when we were closing the game out was excellent as well......... |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 4, 2021 11:08:01 GMT
Really struggle myself with the concept that a professional footballer in his 30's needs resting . In my opinion it's ridiculous. I don't think it's always a question of fitness with Vrancic, some players are just better impact players than others and when a game gets stretched after 60 odd minutes and legs are tiring a fresh Vrancic is a great weapon to have. The way he calmly kept the ball when we were closing the game out was excellent as well......... He looked class at the end of the game, a touch above, exactly what we needed. |
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Post by stokemark on Nov 4, 2021 13:30:48 GMT
Used correctly, Vrancic and Powell are dynamite at this level
I do understand the thinking around using Vrancic sparingly, particularly with Powell out and TBF MON got it spot on last night bringing him on when he did.
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 4, 2021 13:35:02 GMT
At least MoN decided to bring him on even if it was possibly a little late.
The decision was justified by the impact and the result.
Good work by MoN and even better work by Vrancic.
MoN needs to keep learning and good results will help that process, hopefully.
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Post by marwood on Nov 4, 2021 13:42:33 GMT
A touch of silk
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Nov 4, 2021 13:48:10 GMT
Correct, I thought we played well in a very fast game, outstanding Allen, Fletcher, Danny Batth were outstanding, great atmosphere in a great stadium Is this sarcasm? Allen and Batth outstanding? Really? Opinions eh. I thought Allen, Batth and Sawyers/Tymon were awful. Fletcher was by far our best player. |
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Post by citynickscfc on Nov 4, 2021 13:53:17 GMT
Correct, I thought we played well in a very fast game, outstanding Allen, Fletcher, Danny Batth were outstanding, great atmosphere in a great stadium Is this sarcasm? Allen and Batth outstanding? Really? Opinions eh. I thought Allen, Batth and Sawyers/Tymon were awful. Fletcher was by far our best player. This. Allen ended strongly but even when he made effort, it was quite dog balloon stuff. He won the ball and drove into their half at the end, then fell over. I thought that epitomised his game really, hence why I rated it a 6/10 at best, 5.5 would be accurate. Ineffective, anonymous, easily passed far too often. Same for Sawyers who had more of the ball, yet created nothing of sorts. Compare that to their young lad who came on at the end with instant impact from our left. Vrancic was much more versatile in his positioning and attacking intent. |
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Nov 4, 2021 13:59:48 GMT
With Powell out, he is the one player we have who is capable of producing a match winning moment out of nothing.
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Nov 5, 2021 9:50:39 GMT
Perhaps we should call him “One-touch” Mario, like Paul Maguire was called “One-touch” Billy when he came on and scored with his first touch!
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 5, 2021 10:38:44 GMT
Really struggle myself with the concept that a professional footballer in his 30's needs resting . In my opinion it's ridiculous. I don't think it's always a question of fitness with Vrancic, some players are just better impact players than others and when a game gets stretched after 60 odd minutes and legs are tiring a fresh Vrancic is a great weapon to have. The way he calmly kept the ball when we were closing the game out was excellent as well......... The question is whether he is able to do the same over 90 minutes, and on the evidence so far I would say not or rarely. He's a classy player but over 90 mins definitely goes anonymous for significant periods of the game. Our best midfielder though. |
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Post by bloodtypered on Nov 5, 2021 11:58:03 GMT
I don't think it's always a question of fitness with Vrancic, some players are just better impact players than others and when a game gets stretched after 60 odd minutes and legs are tiring a fresh Vrancic is a great weapon to have. The way he calmly kept the ball when we were closing the game out was excellent as well......... The question is whether he is able to do the same over 90 minutes, and on the evidence so far I would say not or rarely. He's a classy player but over 90 mins definitely goes anonymous for significant periods of the game. Our best midfielder though. Depends on the game....teams become wise to players. Even if he has an average game, he is capable of doing one brilliant thing to change the game |
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Post by lordb on Nov 5, 2021 12:10:37 GMT
The question is whether he is able to do the same over 90 minutes, and on the evidence so far I would say not or rarely. He's a classy player but over 90 mins definitely goes anonymous for significant periods of the game. Our best midfielder though. Depends on the game....teams become wise to players. Even if he has an average game, he is capable of doing one brilliant thing to change the game some players go missing, Vrancic goes quiet but still contributes with good basics s still a useful player even when not producing magic I think Sawyers (& Powell a bit too) could learn a lot form Mario, if getting the simple stuff right 99% of the time then the magic stuff looks even better |
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 5, 2021 12:58:12 GMT
The question is whether he is able to do the same over 90 minutes, and on the evidence so far I would say not or rarely. He's a classy player but over 90 mins definitely goes anonymous for significant periods of the game. Our best midfielder though. Depends on the game....teams become wise to players. Even if he has an average game, he is capable of doing one brilliant thing to change the game I'm pretty confident that if he was physically capable he would be playing every game. Same goes for Norwich last season, even though they were doing well without him he was very highly regarded there. |
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Post by fraybentos on Nov 5, 2021 13:37:48 GMT
....set up a great cross for the goal, great decision by MON too. ... for bringing him on then Reminds me of Bojan, that moment of magic. Now why did we get rid of Bojan? Full circle comes to mind |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2021 16:47:44 GMT
If Batth does play, then Vrancic has to start. I'm not a big fan of two big lads in a back three, as I've mentioned previously, however if we are going to play it, then we may as well have a damn good set-piece specialist in there to make them most of it.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Nov 5, 2021 17:54:21 GMT
....set up a great cross for the goal, great decision by MON too. ... for bringing him on then Yea great decision, pitty he didn’t do it much earlier when most fans had identified the need for creativity. My comment isn’t meant to be harsh, it just naffs me off how slow he is to react. You can’t always get it right (obviously) but when thousands of stoke fans see it well before the man who’s paid to spot these things early, something isn’t right. |
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